Spain SPAIN 2015 - Edurne - Amanecer
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lolito
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It is a nice version indeed but I am not sure now which one I would prefer tbh, this last one didn't convince me, I much prefer the symphonic version (without EDURNE!!), as the music is really lovely, besides, I think her voice is too loud and you can't hear the orchestra very well, let alone the choir... surely she'll do well enough to be on top 10 but I still don't see it winning.
Just a month to find out!
Just a month to find out!
VikingTiger
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I am sorry to say so: but Spain seems to be getting into the habit of wasting a really good voice on songs that are not half as good as the singer.
Edurne seems to sing impeccable, but her song still dont get into my top 10 this year.
Pastora is one of the best singers I have heard in the ESC these last years. But her song was rather mediocre. Ruth was another very able femalesinger with a song that didn't do her voice justice.
Because of the general level of the songs this year I think Spain will fall out of top 10, or they will place just within.
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Edurne seems to sing impeccable, but her song still dont get into my top 10 this year.
Pastora is one of the best singers I have heard in the ESC these last years. But her song was rather mediocre. Ruth was another very able femalesinger with a song that didn't do her voice justice.
Because of the general level of the songs this year I think Spain will fall out of top 10, or they will place just within.
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I agree when you say that Spain will fall out of the top 10 this year, but it will be just because it's Spain and not another country. I think the song is among the best this year.
VikingTiger
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If the song falls out of top 10 it's not because it is Spain. It might be because the song does not have a pan-european appeal. But that is a different matter. I dont think Spain suffers any negative bias towards them.
As I see it a top 10 result is really a VERY good result for ANY country; and no country can take a top 10 for granted.
lavieenrose
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I think there is still a positive quality delta between the symphonic version and the original, but it isn't as large as I hoped it would be.
ParadiseES
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Well, that bias is something completely obvious just looking at most Spanish results in ESC. Not a huge bias, but still an obvious one which makes us to do worse than most European countries with a similar song. It's a fact.
ParadiseES
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After listening to symphonic version I'm glad we went with the pop one which has many orchestral elements but it's much stronger, while this one has great instrumentation but it's a bit too monotone.
DanielLuis
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I'm so mad when Spanish fans complain they have a bad song this year (not talking about this forum).
Seriously go and listen to the Spanish songs from the last decade, then listen to "Amanecer" and then see if you can tell me that Edurne is not a good entry.
Seriously go and listen to the Spanish songs from the last decade, then listen to "Amanecer" and then see if you can tell me that Edurne is not a good entry.
VikingTiger
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Is it a fact? Based upon what? Statistics? Or feelings? I think there are countries that struggles more than Spain when sending "a similar song": like your neighbours in the west; Portugal.
Could you explain just what this negative bias mean? Do you think people will not vote for a song just because it is from Spain? I really dont think so. It is true that Spain does not have the same amount of cultural neighbours like f.ex the scandinavian countries. And it is not Russia or Turkey with a huuuge diaspora. But there are many other countries that are in the same position.
Spain is indeed one of my favourite countries in the ESC, but I still think that Spain normally gets a quite fair placing in the end.
1:24 - 1:35 part is the most epic thing I've heard this year so far. Too bad the rest isn't even half as good as that one. The playback spoils the thing. She really can't sing it live or what is the problem here.. It's getting boring.
And yeah, right choice to go to Vienna with pop version. (However, this one rocks as well)
And yeah, right choice to go to Vienna with pop version. (However, this one rocks as well)
I can't agree with that because if you take a step back to the last 10 years, the results of Spain in televoting have been really bad (remember 2012 for instance). Maybe it's because we belong to the big 5, or maybe because we hardly have any neighbours who vote for us. The result is that we are always harmed.
ParadiseES
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It is. Probably not the only one and not the worst one, but there is an obvious bias. You just have to take a look at the results and the voting. Spain rarely gets points from most Northern and Central-Eastern European countries, no matter what we send.
Ninotchka
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Now I don't really know if it's me or RTVE has done it again... Do you remember when they could make a good sound mixing? Ah, those were the times... 
Where the %&$# is the orchestra? I can barely hear them. And they are, like, A LOT of people. What the...
Ok, maybe it's just me, I'm now just bitching for no reason and they are not failing so much and so many times and I just think this doesn't sound good because I'm sure they've done it wrong but in reality this sounds just fine and the streets of Madrid are paved with candy. But really. Her voice (sooooo much better than the other two nights) is drowning them. I don't think it serves either of them well.
Whatever
I think she's right. This is (could be, if better mixed) fabulous and impressive, but the pop version can do far better in Vienna, I think 
Where the %&$# is the orchestra? I can barely hear them. And they are, like, A LOT of people. What the...Ok, maybe it's just me, I'm now just bitching for no reason and they are not failing so much and so many times and I just think this doesn't sound good because I'm sure they've done it wrong but in reality this sounds just fine and the streets of Madrid are paved with candy. But really. Her voice (sooooo much better than the other two nights) is drowning them. I don't think it serves either of them well.
Whatever
I think she's right. This is (could be, if better mixed) fabulous and impressive, but the pop version can do far better in Vienna, I think
ParadiseES
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It's not just you
It's obvious the symphonical version has very crappy quality and the mix is so bad. This should sound epic, but you can't barely hear the instruments (and there are A LOT of them) while her voice is too loud. It's indeed so amateurish.
Iuris
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The symphonic version (I can't hear the choir) is ok, but I prefer the pop version by far.
It seems she gonna perform an acoustic version for Austrian ambassador to Spain.
LIVE: http://www.rtve.es/television/eurovision/directo/
It seems she gonna perform an acoustic version for Austrian ambassador to Spain.
LIVE: http://www.rtve.es/television/eurovision/directo/
VikingTiger
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It is not just a matter of "just taking a look at the results and the voting". It is more complex than that. Spain hasnt done very well for the last decade; not among any countries I am afraid. Certainly they tend not to do well f.ex with the scandinavian countries. I completely agree with you on that. But the reason WHY it is so is not obvious. I claim that it is NOT because it "is Spain". And it is certainly not because Spain is a big 5. Italy has done very well for the last year, and after lots of lousy results, Germany won with Lena.
I think it is quite simple; the taste in music differs in different parts of Europe. I dont think the spanish entries has had the "pan-european" appeal needed.
And remember; Spain has also a quite good neighbour in the west. Portugal is not the only country that for the last years have rewarded Spain with quite high scores. Spain also have some other rather good friends; France, Albania, Switzerland, Belgium.
One curious thing, though, was that back in 2010 Daniel Diges had a quite different song. That year Spain got half their points NOT from their usual friends; but from former USSR countries (!), and in addition Daniel got points from other countries not usually voting for Spain. While he was rewarded 0 from France, 0 from Switzerland, 1 from Belgium. This tells me that people are not unwilling to vote for your country - but again we are back to the song.