Contact us

Slovenia SLOVENIA 2018 - Lea Sirk - Hvala, ne!

How do you rate the entry?

  • 12

    38 19.8%
  • 10

    17 8.9%
  • 8

    20 10.4%
  • 7

    17 8.9%
  • 6

    13 6.8%
  • 5

    18 9.4%
  • 4

    18 9.4%
  • 3

    10 5.2%
  • 2

    9 4.7%
  • 1

    11 5.7%
  • 0

    21 10.9%

  • Total voters
    192

Chorizo

Well-known member
Joined
May 9, 2014
Posts
4,346
I think it's an interesting song. 7 points from me.
 

musicfan

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2012
Posts
1,585
Nobody has even mentioned this in the thread I think


Decent song even if the jury only placed it 13th in the semi, I would have liked this more than what was picked.


Lea Sirk - Hvala, ne! is in a Kpop style but I prefer more melodic Korean music, most of the rhythm music they do just sounds a bit samey to me. I know that music gets hyped up (partly because of the clever image styling/videos), but I never follow the crowd.
 

Carian

Well-known member
Joined
March 1, 2015
Posts
1,757
Location
Village in Slovenia
Nobody has even mentioned this in the thread I think


Decent song even if the jury only placed it 13th in the semi, I would have liked this more than what was picked.


Lea Sirk - Hvala, ne! is in a Kpop style but I prefer more melodic Korean music, most of the rhythm music they do just sounds a bit samey to me. I know that music gets hyped up (partly because of the clever image styling/videos), but I never follow the crowd.

By using the word "crowd", I think you are overgeneralizing. And don't get me wrong, it's nothing personal, but have you thought that we, who do not speak Korean, hear Kpop differently as Koreans do who actually also understand lyrics? Music may be annoying per se, if you don't get the message of lyrics. On the other hand, I can assure you that I do not like Kpop as musical genre, but I really like our entry because of the message/lyrics. So, my assumption is that you "perceive" our entry the same way as Kpop, because you don't understand either of them. So, perhaps if our song was in English, you might "hear" and "feel" it differently. If you accept my interpretation of your "aversion" to our entry, your comment supports my claim that Lea should sing in English.
 

musicfan

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2012
Posts
1,585
By using the word "crowd", I think you are overgeneralizing. And don't get me wrong, it's nothing personal, but have you thought that we, who do not speak Korean, hear Kpop differently as Koreans do who actually also understand lyrics? Music may be annoying per se, if you don't get the message of lyrics. On the other hand, I can assure you that I do not like Kpop as musical genre, but I really like our entry because of the message/lyrics. So, my assumption is that you "perceive" our entry the same way as Kpop, because you don't understand either of them. So, perhaps if our song was in English, you might "hear" and "feel" it differently. If you accept my interpretation of your "aversion" to our entry, your comment supports my claim that Lea should sing in English.

Well I think modern Kpop does get hyped for some reasons like marketing, proximity to what people normally follow in that region (Japan) and as it relates somewhat to modern Western chart music in some ways (more so than Japanese pop now). Not that it has no merit obviously (I can find some songs I like when I dig deep enough) but there's a lot of other music that gets ignored and many people do follow what is hyped I find. People want to be around what's talked about.

I'm not speaking specifically about you personally or about everyone involved in the song, or about every Slovenian who may support it or about every other person who votes. Each individual will like or dislike it for their own reasons. But I have seen people on forums latch onto modern Kpop simply because they've heard it talked about. I've heard loads of Korean music, including many older styles of music (the 80s was a particularly good decade I think with an interesting mix of native and Western styles). So yes I may well not get all the meanings regarding lyrics, but I definitely have a grasp on Korean music because I've looked at it in detail. I actually prefer more Thai music in modern times but it gets totally ignored as it's not marketed outside of Thailand and most of it relates less to modern Western chart music.

My point isn't about supporting the Slovenian entry or not, it's just that I find that other song better and I feel it got a ridiculous placing, nothing unique to Slovenia you get some results that annoy me from pretty much everywhere. My emphasis really was more on that than what was picked. The chosen song has a reasonably good performance and some will like the beat, and it may be a bit different to some other things in Lisbon. It's lively enough so it may qualify for the final, but I would have liked another song.
 

tuorem

Veteran
Joined
January 17, 2012
Posts
9,588
Location
GN-z11
I'm probably tripping right now, but provided RTVSLO find an efficient way to replace the energetic stylish LED floor visuals (which unfortunately won't be transposable in Lisbon), I genuinely think the song may receive an unusually overwhelming support from televoters.
 

Carian

Well-known member
Joined
March 1, 2015
Posts
1,757
Location
Village in Slovenia
I'm probably tripping right now, but provided RTVSLO find an efficient way to replace the energetic stylish LED floor visuals (which unfortunately won't be transposable in Lisbon), I genuinely think the song may receive an unusually overwhelming support from televoters.

I don't know, tuorem, my expectations are actually very, very low :lol:

Finals are possible, I guess, but not much more than that :)
 

tuorem

Veteran
Joined
January 17, 2012
Posts
9,588
Location
GN-z11
I don't know, tuorem, my expectations are actually very, very low :lol:

Finals are possible, I guess, but not much more than that :)

Well, I assumed "Hvala, Ne!" is the type of song many people listen to out of the Eurovision bubble nowadays. :)
It's catchy, energetic, modern, sassy and it stands out. Chances are it'll sound and look fun to viewers imo.
But yeah, just let me babble incoherently :lol: I'm probably too much into it to face the truth. I still hope you'll qualify though.
 

musicfan

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2012
Posts
1,585
The bridge in the song isn't actually that Kpop like, it resembles the kind of stuff heard in plenty of in Europop/Eurovision dance for years, where it slows down before the chorus. So I think they are trying to mix things to make it even more palatable to the general audience. I might have liked it more had they gone all out uptempo bubblegummy Kpop, and with more melody, although most Kpop dance I don't find that melodic (an exception from last year is below). But at least there's a modification of the chart dance style that Eurovision has been saturated with, I welcome that.

 

Alaska49

Well-known member
Joined
April 18, 2013
Posts
2,895
i reiterate: hvala ne is just like a 4minute single

like this one except hvala ne is good

 

RoSSerb

Banned
Joined
April 2, 2017
Posts
268
Location
Novi Sad -СРБИЈА
I do not like the song ... (In fact, the pop part of the song is OK)

but I will certainly vote for Slovenia xkiss, without any dilemma xcheers
 

Simon87

Well-known member
Joined
November 15, 2009
Posts
11,407
Location
Simon city
I wanted to like it so bad but I dont :(
Its the middle of the road for me
5pts
 

Carian

Well-known member
Joined
March 1, 2015
Posts
1,757
Location
Village in Slovenia
RTV SLO has just published an article about Lea Sirk with news about her act in ESC. Officially, Lea will stick to the same basic concept of her act which we saw in EMA. She, 4 dancers (same from the EMA), and Karin Zemljič as backvocalist will travel to Lisbon. They are planning some "upgrades/improvements" for their choreography and styling, but nothing much beyond this has been said or mentioned. So, no final news about the language or anything else. On the other hand, I have read recently also Evrovizija.com (a page by Slovenian fan of ESC), who interviewed Lea, and it seems that Lea has her hands blocked as regards the language of lyrics. It does not seem likely she will be able to change it to English. At least, not the whole lyrics, perhaps only bits, but we shall see and hear in coming days the final decision about this. That's all guys.
 

ParadiseES

Well-known member
Joined
October 3, 2009
Posts
15,047
Location
Zaragoza (Spain)
The chorus is very catchy and she's a great performer. Everything else is a big no. Slovenia seems to have really hard problems to choose well, as we could see last year. 5 points and I don't see this qualifying or scoring well.
 

Mrm

Veteran
Joined
March 11, 2013
Posts
20,298
RTV SLO has just published an article about Lea Sirk with news about her act in ESC. Officially, Lea will stick to the same basic concept of her act which we saw in EMA. She, 4 dancers (same from the EMA), and Karin Zemljič as backvocalist will travel to Lisbon. They are planning some "upgrades/improvements" for their choreography and styling, but nothing much beyond this has been said or mentioned. So, no final news about the language or anything else. On the other hand, I have read recently also Evrovizija.com (a page by Slovenian fan of ESC), who interviewed Lea, and it seems that Lea has her hands blocked as regards the language of lyrics. It does not seem likely she will be able to change it to English. At least, not the whole lyrics, perhaps only bits, but we shall see and hear in coming days the final decision about this. That's all guys.

Smth about official video? :)
 

Carian

Well-known member
Joined
March 1, 2015
Posts
1,757
Location
Village in Slovenia
Smth about official video? :)

Nothing about the official video. I think that her EMA act is the official clip now. I saw it yesterday on ESC official YT chanel. Obviously not only Greece, but also Slovenia is saving money for the staging in Lisbon :lol:
 

tuorem

Veteran
Joined
January 17, 2012
Posts
9,588
Location
GN-z11
Although there's no news from Lea, there is some from our dear Alesia Michelle :D She made a video where she reacts to all the 2018 songs in one word/expression :lol: That cracked me up. I let you guess how she reacts to "Hvala, Ne!" :mrgreen:

 

Carian

Well-known member
Joined
March 1, 2015
Posts
1,757
Location
Village in Slovenia
Although there's no news from Lea, there is some from our dear Alesia Michelle :D She made a video where she reacts to all the 2018 songs in one word/expression :lol: That cracked me up. I let you guess how she reacts to "Hvala, Ne!" :mrgreen:


I saw it earlier, it's fun. In most of the cases, I actually agree with her. :lol:
 

Carian

Well-known member
Joined
March 1, 2015
Posts
1,757
Location
Village in Slovenia
@ tuorem

I forgot to add yesterday/comment your observation. It is true that there are no news from the Slovenian team at this point. All this silence about the language, however, makes me nervous, because I still believe that Lea should, and I hope she will sing at least some part of her song in English in order to signal to audiences what she is singing about. Namely, I am reading comments about our song, and I see quite often (just like Wiwibloggers believed) that Lea is said to have a lot of "attitude". The problem is that she does not have the "attitude", but actually a strong message that is not about gender or socio-political happenings, but rather about individual and his choices in life. She is not angry, she is saying that it is not worth to sell your dreams and change yourself in order to please others. So, I am quite worried that her "attitude" is being/will be misinterpreted by everyone.
 

tuorem

Veteran
Joined
January 17, 2012
Posts
9,588
Location
GN-z11
@ tuorem

I forgot to add yesterday/comment your observation. It is true that there are no news from the Slovenian team at this point. All this silence about the language, however, makes me nervous, because I still believe that Lea should, and I hope she will sing at least some part of her song in English in order to signal to audiences what she is singing about. Namely, I am reading comments about our song, and I see quite often (just like Wiwibloggers believed) that Lea is said to have a lot of "attitude". The problem is that she does not have the "attitude", but actually a strong message that is not about gender or socio-political happenings, but rather about individual and his choices in life. She is not angry, she is saying that it is not worth to sell your dreams and change yourself in order to please others. So, I am quite worried that her "attitude" is being/will be misinterpreted by everyone.

At this point, as there wasn't any information about a potential partial language change, I guess it is more likely Lea will keep "Hvala, Ne!" as is. And RTVSLO wouldn't have forced Slovenian acts to sing in their own language to end up going for a post-victory addition of English lines. As Lea hinted in her interview, acts were free to change language before the EMA final and the version that would win it had to be kept as is. Besides, when Lea talked about her wish to change some of lyrics, it was to add a few words in Portuguese, not in English. So who knows what will come out of that? xthink

I know how you feel about this particular case. Personally, the way I see it (sorry for repeating myself) is that people who won't like the song won't vote for it even if they're aware that the message is more commendable than it looks, whereas people who groove to it will vote for it regardless of the lyrical content, so in the end I don't think English would significantly help Lea receive more votes. That's what it is with divisive songs. If commentators do their job, it'll be enough for people to get the bigger picture imo.
 
Top Bottom