RUSSIA 2013 - Dina Garipova - What if

[A-lister]

Yes I think you're right, but I don't think Russian delegation, directors are to blame in first line, to me they try to follow a certian path that usually give success in Eurovision. It wasn't started by them, though.

I didn't blame them, I blame EBU for bringing back juries who seem to have an obvious mission to kill ESC and turn it into a musical version of "EU" with killing national diversity etc... oh and the fact that juries taste seem to be so out of touch of the actual music of today... and that they only care about vocals regardless of how dreadful the songs can be.

Obviously this is not Russia's fault, they just cater to the new order of ESC like everyone else does.

 

[evija87]

There are too sides to everything... I for instance am rather glad juries are back because most likely we won't get a crap like Switzerland 2007 (I mean Vampires), Latvia 2007 or 2008 (Wolves of the sea), Dustin the Turkey... I wanted to puke. Also they lift songs like Suus. And Italy are back. Sometimes they fail, yes but my opinion is positive so far. We will see in five more years I guess... if more polished too-perfect pop wins then I'll supoort comeback to full televote. I don't fully trust the audience because people has tendenies to vote for crap just for lols and for "fun". Although like I said, 100% televote did some self-justice as well.

 

[A-lister]

There are too sides to everything... I for instance am rather glad juries are back because most likely we won't get a crap like Switzerland 2007 (I mean Vampires), Latvia 2007 or 2008 (Wolves of the sea), Dustin the Turkey... I wanted to puke. Also they lift songs like Suus. And Italy are back. Sometimes they fail, yes but my opinion is positive so far. We will see in five more years I guess... if more polished too-perfect pop wins then I'll supoort comeback to full televote. I don't fully trust the audience because people has tendenies to vote for crap just for lols and for "fun". Although like I said, 100% televote did some self-justice as well.

I think millions of voices shouldn't be underestimated or overthrown by some small groups of people, this should be a contest for the people and not some corrupt groups who obviously lack any connection to contemporary music and who disrespect everything that is non- "western". So far it seems juries are just killing musical diversity, what's the good in that?

Sure, there will be gimmick entries that will make it, there will be diaspora voting... but people in general seem to be more-in-touch and more respecting than the juries...

 

[i anixi]

Of course 21 year old grandma had to go through

 

[evija87]

I think millions of voices shouldn't be underestimated or overthrown by some small groups of people, this should be a contest for the people and not some corrupt groups who obviously lack any connection to contemporary music and who disrespect everything that is non- "western". So far it seems juries are just killing musical diversity, what's the good in that?

Sure, there will be gimmick entries that will make it, there will be diaspora voting... but people in general seem to be more-in-touch and more respecting than the juries...

I have to disagree a bit here. Suus is not western, not in English and yet very supported. It's the most recent example. I think that gimmicks you say "make it" have the worst influence on Eurovision!!!... because of these "songs" this contest has ruined its reputation and credibility in many countries that it's hard to repair. It's a long process that started in 2009. I often complain why people I know don't even want to listen to song from Eurovision...no matter if it's Swedish or Serbian. I have to play it first without saying where does it come from. I wonder why <sarcastic> It happens because those extreme gimmicks and circus that mostly occured 2006-2008 had influenced viewers opinions and way of looking at the contest: "if this thing gets better position than us (country x) what kind of contest it is?" Websites instead of showing good songs were making funny galleries with all that crap. People laughed at it and though "haha what is this". Juries were needed to clean this mess and pretty much they did this service.

 

[CC92]

There are too sides to everything... I for instance am rather glad juries are back because most likely we won't get a crap like Switzerland 2007 (I mean Vampires), Latvia 2007 or 2008 (Wolves of the sea), Dustin the Turkey... I wanted to puke.

Two of these failed miserably, one did okay but sure not well enough to serve as a role model for future entrants or something. So how can you blame the televoters here?

Also, I don't see what is this bad about having a joke entry or two in the contest. The zenith of comedy songs in ESC was, I think, in 2008, the year after Verka, when in total four songs out of 43 could be considered joke entries. Seriously, I believe that stuff like Austria 2011, Estonia 2011 or Spain 2012 is doing much more harm to contest's reputation than those 'mean gimmicky performances'.

Edit: I read Latvia 2007 over. Well, this came 8th in 50/50 that year compared to 16th in televoting. Although I would hardly call this a joke act (not that I personally like it...).

 

[CC92]

I think millions of voices shouldn't be underestimated or overthrown by some small groups of people, this should be a contest for the people and not some corrupt groups who obviously lack any connection to contemporary music and who disrespect everything that is non- "western". So far it seems juries are just killing musical diversity, what's the good in that?

Sure, there will be gimmick entries that will make it, there will be diaspora voting... but people in general seem to be more-in-touch and more respecting than the juries...

I have to disagree a bit here. Suus is not western, not in English and yet very supported. It's the most recent example. I think that gimmicks you say "make it" have the worst influence on Eurovision!!!... because of these "songs" this contest has ruined its reputation and credibility in many countries that it's hard to repair. It's a long process that started in 2009. I often complain why people I know don't even want to listen to song from Eurovision...no matter if it's Swedish or Serbian. I have to play it first without saying where does it come from. I wonder why <sarcastic> It happens because those extreme gimmicks and circus that mostly occured 2006-2008 had influenced viewers opinions and way of looking at the contest: "if this thing gets better position than us (country x) what kind of contest it is?" Websites instead of showing good songs were making funny galleries with all that crap. People laughed at it and though "haha what is this". Juries were needed to clean this mess and pretty much they did this service.

ESC had a pretty bad reputation in most countries long before televoting was introduced. You must take into account that the years 2007 and 2008 were a bit overshadowed by arguments and drama about the poor results of western contestants. Quite frankly I'm not sure whether the issue you are addressing would of caused so much fuss if back then the "right countries" had had this success with big stage shows. Gimmicks and a certain degree of pomp aren't something what is unknown to or dismissed by Central European audiences either. However, what we can say for sure is that overly cheesy ballads and pop never helped the image of ESC in the past and I don't see why this now should of changed out of all sudden.

 

[GWTW1939]

We have juries again because of all the T()oOXSOOC Western countries did in 2007/2008 when the Balken/ex-USSR countries were riding high and doing great while the Western countries were flopping. Of course they completely ignored the previous years had pretty diverse results and brought back the juries to please them. Everyone should know that's why.

Now you get more Western countries placing high with the jury while the Eastern countries (Balkan most of all) have gone down. Would anyone seriously be shocked if we see Montenegro and Serbia actually did qualify base on the televote but got trashed by a jury who wanted Belgium and Ireland in the final instead? rolleyes:

However since the introduction of the jury there has been a improvement with the Western entries quality wise. Its like they decided that they know a jury will favor them more so they decided to put in a little more effort, but they probably should have been trying just as hard before in 2007/2008 instead of throwing hissy fits.

Now cause of that hissy fit Eurovision is stuck with all Western/American style entries and the funny thing is some people who were throwing the hissy fit then are throwing a hissy fit again because of the lack of diversity. They wanted Western countries to do better and they got it, they just didn't realize the cost.

 

[Eurovisionified]

In Sweden, people were making fun of the Russian singer calling her "Jävla Gris" (f*cking pig) and other rude stuff, also blaming Russia for an "easy qualifier" through block-voting. And yes, Russia do have many allies that votes for them every year so they will never really finish in the bottom list of the competition. To be honest: The song wasn't spectacular at all and she isn't the most prominent singer either. But the bookmakers still regarded her as a top-favorite, even surpassing Ukraine!

I just can't see the potential in this song at all, and I really hope it won't win. That would be a huge blow to the quality of this competition.

 

[Yuliya]

In Sweden, people were making fun of the Russian singer calling her "Jävla Gris" (f*cking pig) and other rude stuff

You could be more polite. It's not a beauty contest.

 

[GWTW1939]

Don't waste your time worrying what others think Yuliya most of them are hypocrites anyway. Trash Eastern/Balkan countries about bloc voting yet completely ignore the guaranteed points they get too (not Russia's fault they got more friends). Will the Swedes admit the mega favoritism their showing to Denmark/Norway and a few other Western countries this year?

Besides you and I know no matter how much some people try to convince themselves Dina is going to do great in the final and will probably end up top 5. Yeah being in the first half isn't the best and Bjorkman will most likely do his best to sabotage it but when you look at the others songs in the first half its not bad at all. Dina's really the only big heavy hitter there so she will stand out regardless.

 

[deese]

Dina has an amazing voice. So sweet and beautiful. I am really happy for Russia. Good luck in the final and ignore haters.

 

[EurovisionSmile]

I keep thinking I've listenend to this song a million times, however, I liked this performance a lot and the song sounded great. A grower to me.

 

[demonl]

Russia and Belarus always seem to get the most irrational hatred. and very rarely is it on the song or performances. A simple "I dislike this" is sufficient with a rational reason if one wishes, but some people are going overboard...

 

[deese]

Russia and Belarus always seem to get the most irrational hatred. and very rarely is it on the song or performances. A simple "I dislike this" is sufficient with a rational reason if one wishes, but some people are going overboard...

you can add Azerbaijan in this list too:?

 

[PeterLPZ]

Russia´s song is really beautiful and I was flashed by her yesterday. Absolutely deserving the final. And good luck on Saturday.

 

[debemaks]

Good sing and good song, performance is romantic even though not one of the most impressive..

 

[Narmina]

Congratulations Russia! It was an obvious qualifier. Good luck in the final. I predict a Top 5 result for Dina

 

[A-lister]

Dina has an amazing voice. So sweet and beautiful. I am really happy for Russia. Good luck in the final and ignore haters.

And what about the SONG??? Everyone talk about her "amazing voice", but no one mentions the actual song... which is the problem here

 

[A-lister]

Russia and Belarus always seem to get the most irrational hatred. and very rarely is it on the song or performances. A simple "I dislike this" is sufficient with a rational reason if one wishes, but some people are going overboard...

Oh plz, so you can't criticize a Russian entry? That's just ridiculous. The song was initially one of the worst for me this year, I couldn't care less which country would have sent it, it has nothing to do about Russia since I usually like Russian entries, if this would be the Swedish entry I would have hate it equally.