Petra Mede - Eurovision 2013 host

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: Possible Hosts for 2013

Talking 'understandably' is not the same as talking great English. I'm actually shocked at you, being a nativ-English speaker, can say that the English in that video was 'great', it was great compared to Belarussian English maybe but far from good compared to the general youth English knowledge in Sweden. I mean I'm not a native speaker, but even I heard it wasn't good.

The man in the Norwegian selection was pretty bad. But atleast we agree on the black lady.

Well Id term a non-native English as being great at it if I can tell what they say, they make sense (unusual for Eurovision hosts - they always mess up the context of what they're saying) and if they say it very clearly. His English accent is a lot more clearer than mine for instance.

 

[A-lister]

Re: Possible Hosts for 2013

Well Id term a non-native English as being great at it if I can tell what they say, they make sense (unusual for Eurovision hosts - they always mess up the context of what they're saying) and if they say it very clearly. His English accent is a lot more clearer than for instance.

Well, then you underestimate non-native English speakers' English (especially Swedes' English)

Anyways, that's not the biggest issue (although it's important). I just don't think he'd be a good host. Yes, I do agree with him that he looks good, but that can't be the only criteria for hosting

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

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Well, then you undererstimate non-native English speakers' English (especially Swedes' English)

Look I dont doubt that Scandinavian English is awesome, but it's not a competition for who can speak the best English. His English is great enough and would certainly beat any of the previous Eurovision hosts of recent years.

 

[DanielLuis]

Re: Possible Hosts for 2013

*Gets popcorn*

 

[A-lister]

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Look I dont doubt that Scandinavian English is awesome, but it's not a competition for who can speak the best English. His English is great enough and would certainly beat any of the previous Eurovision hosts of recent years.

I just reacted on that you refereed his English as 'great', as for the rest I can agree though (that the hosts' English in general have been quite bad so compared to them his English is good).

I dunno how his English sounds now though, but in the clip from Disney it's pretty bad. He has a heavy Scanian accent, which I think is cute but not sure for ESC hosting though

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: Possible Hosts for 2013

I dunno how his English sounds now though, but in the clip from Disney it's pretty bad. He has a heavy Scanian accent, which I think is cute but not sure for ESC hosting though

Hey I thought you were on a crusade against English cultural imperialism - surely the Swedish accent is a plus in every way?!

 

[A-lister]

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Hey I thought you were on a crusade against English cultural imperialism - surely the Swedish accent is a plus in every way?!

Well, it's not as if the hosts can speak Swedish now can they?

In professional moments I'm not a fan of accents no, and this is a moment like this.

 

[CC92]

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Don't remind me of last year's hosts. I have already squeezed them out of my mind (not that they were horrendous, just incredibly dull). Dirawi and Saade are Swedes in the first place but with migration background. So yep, that fact would suit the host city; I see nothing wrong with it.
Your averseness to her is based on I think political disagreements and these shouldn't play a role while determining the hosts.

They are what they believe they are, which I guess none of us really know. I have nothing against Saade on a personal level, I just don't think he'll be fit as a host that's all. Oh so you think it's ok to have a face with nazi opinions be a representation of your country then?

So Swedes should hide their faces because the contest will be in Malmö you suggest? Well, we as a whole nation are hosts of this contest, and I don't believe in positive discrimination. People should get a job because they are good at it.

A German nazi would never ever get the chance to have a television career in his home country to start with. Also I doubt she shares nazi views. If she did, I would not want her anymore.

I shall sum up my pros once again:

– both are connected to/show interest in Eurovision
– both aren't short on presentation experience (especially Gina)
– both have fitting ethnic backgrounds
– both got the looks
– both are popular in Sweden
– both are fresh (we haven't had young hosts in Eurovision since 1984)

None of them alone would be a crucial factor for me but all in all it makes them good choices IMHO (nothing more, I am not obsessed with them and do not know most Swedish celebrities anyway ).
If you don't agree it is fine but please refrain from saying that we would not produce arguments.

 

[A-lister]

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A German nazi would never ever get the chance to have a television career in his home country to start with. Also I doubt she shares nazi views. If she did, I would not want her anymore.

So because she's a young muslim woman she has a free-pass with her neo-nazi opinions? Sorry, but this is a show that will be in and hosted by Sweden and I want to be proud of what we show to Europe, I don't want to be ashamed of it and I don't want to support a face like that with my tax-money. I think every natives want to be presented in the best way possible if they host a big event like this.

I shall sum up my pros once again:

– both are connected to/show interest in Eurovision
– both aren't short on presentation experience (especially Gina)
– both have fitting ethnic backgrounds
– both got the looks
– both are popular in Sweden
– both are fresh (we haven't had young hosts in Eurovision since 1984)

None of them alone would be a crucial factor for me but all in all it makes them good choices IMHO (nothing more, I am not obsessed with them and do not know most Swedish celebrities anyway ).
If you don't agree it is fine but please refrain from saying that we would not produce arguments.

Fitting ethnic backgrounds? Oh so you do support positive discrimination and racism then? So ethnic Swedes should not be allowed in a show hosted by Sweden? Well how nice then... then if that's the case then I'd say Sweden should not host the show either and SVT shouldn't be allowed to use any tax-money by these 'awful Swedes' to pay for the show if they are not 'ethnically fitting' to host a show in Sweden. I think it's quite nasty to ask people to pay money for the show but then say 'you don't have the right ethnicity to be presenters here but thanks for the money'.

Young? So the past year's host were that old then?

Looks are subjective. I think Saade looks good, but Gina is not good looking.

 

[LalehForWD]

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AnaGinas as Bajkerturken (14) sometime 2004 during the "Bajkerturken och Bikerbruden" videoblog.

Gina Dirawi a Neo-Nazi? 3 I thought she was a member of Bandidos . I'm confused of why you're complaining though ... as a Sverigedemokrat you must be sympathetic to all extreme rightwing directions. After all Sverigedemokraterna were recently classified as a Fascist party by the Swedish political science. Nazi or Fascist, what's the real difference?

BTW did you know Gina is also a member of the new voluntary SÄPO branch SFSP eller Sveriges flygande säkerhetspolis (Flying Secret Police of Sweden) aka "Snuten"? The cutting edge to fight Hells Angels Sweden and Petter Northug.

Gina Dirawi during a routine surveillance mission.

Under cover misson as Gina Lollobrigida

 

[A-lister]

Re: Possible Hosts for 2013

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Are you Ana-Gina or what is your problem? You still didn't get that personal attacks aren't allowed on this forum? I think I should be allowed to talk about a third party without getting attacked on a personal level by you everytime thank you very much.

Sverigedemokraterna a nazi party? Gosh how brainwashed can one be? Neo-nazis HATE SD I can inform you about, they call SD "Anti-Swedish zionists" , however they've applauded Ana Gina on their forums so go figure. In your narrow-mindset only white males can have neo-nazi opinions, but in the REAL world opinions are opinions regardless of who holds them. Again, if you get applauded in neo-nazi forums then I think that's telling enough don't you think?

What's so hard for you to understand though? I think everyone want to be presented the best way possible if they're hosting a big event like this. Ana-Gina can have whatever neo-nazi opinions she want, but I don't want her as a face for Sweden.

As I said before, SVT is marketing Eurovision in Sweden as a show for 'tolerance and openmindness', but how tolerant is it if we have an open anti-semitic hostess really? (in an anti-semitic city). SVT and Eurovision is funded by the Swedish taxpayers, which means you and me and the rest of Swedes that pay taxes, so I think I'm allowed to have an opinion on how we would market ourselves for Europe.

 

[LalehForWD]

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Discoturken Darius

The smearing or tainting someone with associations - tactic as you do with Gina Dirawi work both ways you know. Factoids and stereotypes are dangerous stuff and quite frankly when you use it for a political purpose or agenda in a musical forum, you are simply a troll.

 

[A-lister]

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Discoturken Darius

The smearing or tainting someone with associations - tactic as you do with Gina Dirawi work both ways you know. Factoids and stereotypes are dangerous stuff and quite frankly when you use it for a political purpose or agenda in a musical forum, you are simply a troll.

She said what she said, the only disturbing part here is you defending her (by attacking forum members) but maybe that tells more about you and your opinions I dunno

For the millionth time (not that you seem to care), you don't own this forum. It's not my fault SVT is promoting the whole contest as "open and tolerant", yet the idea about a hostess with such hateful opinions about a certain group of people? I find that hypocrisy. Remember that we as a host should be welcoming to all Europe, all participating countries and the image we give is important for us as a nation. It's not often we have the possibility to host such big international events, so I think the way we want to portray ourselves are important.

To be frank what do you add to this forum? I'd rather have a constructive dialog with you than your constant personal attacks, random rambling about Swedish politics and "troll"-labeling when you have nothing to add and can't argue.

I questioned her as a hostess for ESC (and MF), nothing off-topic. You can try all you want though, it's getting a bit desperate though.

 

[LalehForWD]

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No you didn't criticize her as a host. Did you mention her singing skills, her skills as a comedian or her acting skills? You are only referring to what extremist hate sites are writing about her. You are judging her from a political point of view which isn't relevant.

 

[A-lister]

Re: Possible Hosts for 2013

No you didn't criticize her as a host. Did you mention her singing skills, her skills as a comedian or her acting skills? You are only referring to what extremist hate sites are writing about her. You are judging her from a political point of view which isn't relevant.

I've already said I think her hosting is overrated, but that was long ago.

I'm judging her in the context of SVT's own supposed 'message' they want to send with ESC, I judge her based on being a representation of behalf all Sweden and our face for Europe. I judge her based on being a tax-payer and a co-funder for this whole event.

Hosting an international event like this is a big honor imo, all Swedes should want us to be presented the best way possible. If one of the hosts have expressed hate towards a group of people and a participating country, then it's not a welcoming face I think. I'm certain you'd agree with me had you not agreed with her opinions. I bet if it was a white male host supporting SD you'd be screaming what a "bad" representation he would be, regardless of his hosting skills.

But in the end of the day, I don't like her hosting. I know plenty of people who have totally different political views than I have that also agree that she wouldn't be a good host.

 

[LalehForWD]

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No one have said anything else, of course it's a huge honour for an artist to host ESC in front of millions, not to mention what it could do for their career. In the end ESC is a show produced by SVT, public service yes, but run as a private company with a board and management. The ESC in Malmö production group will ultimately act in the best interest of the SVT board, whatever that is. Your conspiracy theories are just nonsense. If the government i.e. Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth (M) Swedish cultural minister, want to rule SVT in any way (against policy though "ministerstyre"), she must replace the SVT board somehow, perhaps through changes in the Riksdag.

 

[CC92]

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A German nazi would never ever get the chance to have a television career in his home country to start with. Also I doubt she shares nazi views. If she did, I would not want her anymore.

So because she's a young muslim woman she has a free-pass with her neo-nazi opinions? Sorry, but this is a show that will be in and hosted by Sweden and I want to be proud of what we show to Europe, I don't want to be ashamed of it and I don't want to support a face like that with my tax-money. I think every natives want to be presented in the best way possible if they host a big event like this.

I shall sum up my pros once again:

– both are connected to/show interest in Eurovision
– both aren't short on presentation experience (especially Gina)
– both have fitting ethnic backgrounds
– both got the looks
– both are popular in Sweden
– both are fresh (we haven't had young hosts in Eurovision since 1984)

None of them alone would be a crucial factor for me but all in all it makes them good choices IMHO (nothing more, I am not obsessed with them and do not know most Swedish celebrities anyway ).
If you don't agree it is fine but please refrain from saying that we would not produce arguments.

Fitting ethnic backgrounds? Oh so you do support positive discrimination and racism then? So ethnic Swedes should not be allowed in a show hosted by Sweden? Well how nice then... then if that's the case then I'd say Sweden should not host the show either and SVT shouldn't be allowed to use any tax-money by these 'awful Swedes' to pay for the show if they are not 'ethnically fitting' to host a show in Sweden. I think it's quite nasty to ask people to pay money for the show but then say 'you don't have the right ethnicity to be presenters here but thanks for the money'.

Young? So the past year's host were that old then?

Looks are subjective. I think Saade looks good, but Gina is not good looking.

Do you have proof that she advances views that are based on the "National Socialist" ideology? Or does she just have some opinions which a random nazi party for other reasons would agree about?

I am not saying native Swedes oughtn't to be chosen because of their ethnicity. It is no discrimination though that if you do not have certain skills and abilities needed for a job, in that case hosting the biggest music event worldwide, you will not get it. According to your logic also shy people should refuse to pay taxes because they are unsuitable as TV hosts.
As for the looks, I do not think they are essential here but one aspect (among many) that would speak in favour of someone. Sure it is subjective, but that is why I was stating whom I am in favour of. Nevertheless it is fair to say that both conform to the current ideal of beauty so the majority of viewers would probably agree on this.

 

[A-lister]

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Do you have proof that she advances views that are based on the "National Socialist" ideology? Or does she just have some opinions which a random nazi party for other reasons would agree about?

She has expressed anti-semitic opinions publically, not just once but twice in a row now (afterwards she always cries and blame her age or other pathetic reasons for her statements but I think people are not stupid). She has been applauded in Swedish neo-nazi forums for her statements. I don't think one should give her a free-pass only because she's not a white male, her opinions are similar to the neo-nazi groups in some regards and considering SVT has this policy of ESC 2013 being "open and tolerant" it's very odd with the idea of a hostess with such extreme opinions on different groups of people and also countries competing in the contest. What does that say about us a country? How welcoming is that to all Europe? Is that representing all Sweden or what? No.

I am not saying native Swedes oughtn't to be chosen because of their ethnicity. It is no discrimination though that if you do not have certain skills and abilities needed for a job, in that case hosting the biggest music event worldwide, you will not get it. According to your logic also shy people should refuse to pay taxes because they are unsuitable as TV hosts.
As for the looks, I do not think they are essential here but one aspect (among many) that would speak in favour of someone. Sure it is subjective, but that is why I was stating whom I am in favour of. Nevertheless it is fair to say that both conform to the current ideal of beauty so the majority of viewers would probably agree on this.

Well, you basically said that hosts should be picked based on their ethnicity, and that it should be anything BUT Swedish ethnicity. I'm not an ethnic Swede myself, but I find that disturbing and insulting. So Swedes are good enough to pay for this whole event, but they shouldn't be picked to host the show based on their ethnicity? What type of mindset is that? And the fact that this show is hosted in Sweden yet hosts should be anything but Swedish? How is that a representation of all Sweden?

Look, I couldn't care less about a person's ethnicity really, but to say that hosts should be picked because they have a "fitting ethnicity"? So Swedes aren't welcomed in their own country any longer? Fit to pay but not to be seen? Please don't twist my words, obviously a shy person wouldn't be able to carry a hosting like this. But what you say is not that the job should go to the best ones, but to the ones with 'fitting ethnicity' (in your opinion not Swedish ethnicity).

 

[A-lister]

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No one have said anything else, of course it's a huge honour for an artist to host ESC in front of millions, not to mention what it could do for their career. In the end ESC is a show produced by SVT, public service yes, but run as a private company with a board and management. The ESC in Malmö production group will ultimately act in the best interest of the SVT board, whatever that is. Your conspiracy theories are just nonsense. If the government i.e. Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth (M) Swedish cultural minister, want to rule SVT in any way (against policy though "ministerstyre"), she must replace the SVT board somehow, perhaps through changes in the Riksdag.

Public funded is public funded no matter the structure of the organization. If it weren't for tax-money and state subsidizes, SVT would not be up and running.

I know that SVT tend to forget that the people pay for this, but that's still a fact.

 

[LalehForWD]

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I would say it's pathetic to believe or refer to these extreme hate sites. Why would anyone care what they going on about? The disturbing thing is that their twisted content are discussed here on a Eurovision Song Contest forum. How uncool isn't that?