Italy ITALY 2015 - Il Volo - Grande amore

[Carian]

[MENTION=14374]Carian[/MENTION] thank you for the support, but one thing must be put straight: they are not trained opera singers, they never said such a thing, on the contrary also in the press conference did explain that they are pop singers who sing pop in classical way, and classic songs in a pop way, having classical voices and pop music combined.

Hey, thanks for clarifying this, but I don't think I've made a mistake. In my opinion, they are trained and they had to train with professionals, because this kind of singing one cannot simply learn or pick from Youtube, and in order to be a trained singer, one doesn't have to go through classical training of opera singer via colleges etc. So, even if they don't have diplomas/papers/degrees proving they are trained, I wouldn't downplay their training.

But on the other hand, this makes the whole issue even more ridiculous hahaha. So, is this the reason why juries didn't vote for Italy? Cuz they don't have papers confirming that they are good singers? Great, how come that Slovenia came only 14th then? Marjetka, the singer of our duo, has her degree from the Academy of Music and Arts, the top school in Slovenia for singers. So, Slovenia was robbed of the victory!!! Damn, no. These juries make no sense hahahaha, and this was exactly the point of my previous post. ESC has become a Nordic-Baltic show, where Mediterranean and Eastern European countries seem to be judged by different criteria than the more "advanced" countries.

I think we should abolish the rule of one winner. This should be a song festival, where best acts should be awarded with prizes in various categories. However, the victory should be awarded to winner of televoting. This is how all music festivals work in Slovenia: we have a winner of televoting, a winner by professional juries, a winner in the category for best lyrics and then for the best production etc. But, this doesn't mean that in each category we should have a different winner. It happens that often one song takes several awards in different categories. In my opinion, such system would be more just and logical, cuz right now, I really don't understand according to what criteria "professional" juries estimate acts!

I am out. This is too frustrating

 

[Carian]

Why do the televote winner have to be the winner???? Jury's work is to vote against diaspora/neighbour voting and do the contest fair because in televoting the countries in the first half will be completely chanceless.

Do really people think this would have been the televoting results if we switched running order between Sweden and Italy? The televote results for the top 3 are from last to first in the running order.

Juries represent people's vote TOO! They are not different from us. The only difference between them and "common" people is that they should have better knowledge of what "good music" is, or put differently, they should be educated in this field, trained etc. But, at the end, they vote as politically as "common" people do - though they were supposed to be there to give their professional opinion on music. So, in this case, we don't need juries, and this year's ESC has proved that juries do not bring any justice to the ESC - and I am not talking only about Sweden's win, but about the voting results when scrutinized more closely. So, if there is no difference between jury and common people, why would 200 people have the power to decide the winner over the 200 millions? And this is something that EBU must figure it out. In any case, EBU reintroduced juries based on complaints of Western/Nordic countries few years ago... Hasn't anyone noticed that this decision resulted in 6 victories by Western or Nordic countries out of 7 times??? East and Mediterranean countries have been blocked in this system, and I think this is as unfair as Italy having lost well deserved victory. Funnily, the whole problem is even further exacerberated by the fact that injustice has happened to a member of the big five... So, I wonder with what EBU will come up this time... In order to avoid such ridiculous outcomes of voting.

 

[Bradamante]

Hey, thanks for clarifying this, but I don't think I've made a mistake. In my opinion, they are trained and they had to train with professionals, because this kind of singing one cannot simply learn or pick from Youtube, and in order to be a trained singer, one doesn't have to go through classical training of opera singer via colleges etc. So, even if they don't have diplomas/papers/degrees proving they are trained, I wouldn't downplay their training.

Yes, they do study, they go to Bologna to attend private lessons of singing techniques with their teacher, their maestro is the tenor Sergio Bertocchi. It is just that they don't sing opera, even though Piero began the training of opera singer, but again, with home tuitions not at school. They cannot attend conservatory because travel all the time.
Anyway i don't think the reason why they were put down by juries is for not having diplomas. It is something else. Better I keep my mouth shut...

I must add: it is needed to cancel the rule that who wins must host. In this way Italy and other countries may hope to win this contest one day...

 

[Carian]

Yes, they do study, they go to Bologna to attend private lessons of singing techniques with their teacher, their maestro is the tenor Sergio Bertocchi. It is just that they don't sing opera, even though Piero began the training of opera singer, but again, with home tuitions not at school. They cannot attend conservatory because travel all the time.
Anyway i don't think the reason why they were put down by juries is for not having diplomas. It is something else. Better I keep my mouth shut...

So, we do agree, and your info about Il Volo guys only confirms my statements/opinion. They are receiving training, not certified, but this doesn't matter... But, one question, pray, I do want to know what are the gossips/theories/behind scene information why Italy didn't win. Send me a private message I will be highly appreciative of it! Thanx

 

[oxy333]

This is the first time (until proven otherwise) that a song winnig televote doesn't win the contest, the suspicious and wondering is legitimate. But now is gone, like in a tennis match, when a judge decide that a ball is out is out. Hope never happen again for any country

Agg. Yes, a separate jury winner and a televote winner in ESC would't be a bad idea.

Supergirl, come on, just click, there is a song chart too on the same page I posted before: http://kworb.net/ww/
ps: the links you posted are in swedish, can't be reliable.

 

[Fluke]

In any case, EBU reintroduced juries based on complaints of Western/Nordic countries few years ago... Hasn't anyone noticed that this decision resulted in 6 victories by Western or Nordic countries out of 7 times??? East and Mediterranean countries have been blocked in this system, and I think this is as unfair as Italy having lost well deserved victory.

Though, if that was really the case, if i was entirely because of the juries, the televotes would have picked other winners, or at least a radically different result, which wasn't the case. All previous years except 2011 - ironically the only non-Western winner - the juries and the televotes agreed on the winner.

 

[Carian]

Though, if that was really the case, if i was entirely because of the juries, the televotes would have picked other winners, or at least a radically different result, which wasn't the case. All previous years except 2011 - ironically the only non-Western winner - the juries and the televotes agreed on the winner.

Azerbaijan won the televoting. But only by few points. Yet it still managed to win! So how come that Italy couldn't pull a similar result off?

 

[Carian]

Though, if that was really the case, if i was entirely because of the juries, the televotes would have picked other winners, or at least a radically different result, which wasn't the case. All previous years except 2011 - ironically the only non-Western winner - the juries and the televotes agreed on the winner.

And I forgot to add: the guys from Italy actually can sing, while Azeri singers couldn't!!! No offense, I loved that song, and it was one of the few winners that I actually predicted correctly

 

[GWTW1939]

Azerbaijan won the televoting. But only by few points. Yet it still managed to win! So how come that Italy couldn't pull a similar result off?

Because difference is the televoters didn't have the agenda to make sure Azerbaijan was the winner and not Italy. The chips simply fell that way because there was no agreement on all sides. Unlike this year where the jury clearly wanted Sweden the winner and made sure it would happen by giving them a insurmountable lead over a country they perceived to be a threat. Televoters usually don't think of purposely hurting a country by voting for another (unless it concerns Russia this year) while the jury has proven it does.

 

[ElRuso]

Though, if that was really the case, if i was entirely because of the juries, the televotes would have picked other winners, or at least a radically different result, which wasn't the case. All previous years except 2011 - ironically the only non-Western winner - the juries and the televotes agreed on the winner.

I am still not sure about 2013

 

[FilipFromSweden]

SuperGirl I don't dislike you in any way, but now would be a good time to stop :? a friendly note

And yes, the juries shall work to stop neighbor, diaspora and political voting. But seems like the voters have more of an open mind than the juries, who would have ever thought a song in Italian would get more televote points than Loreen? It even makes me proud, that there is hope for all kinds of different music in this contest. Just an honest question: does the image of Sweden not winning the televote ruining your image of Sweden as the full winner? Because my image hasn't changed.

 

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[VikingTiger]

My heart is still bleeing for Italy. They so much deserved to win this year. Most years my favourites dont win. But normally I get over that rather quickly (even back in 2013 with that aweful winner).
This year, on the other hand - I still feel sad. Because I really do not get it... How could the judged place Italy that far down? After that performance???
And seeing that there are judges that have actually put Italy LAST!!!???? That makes no sence...

 

[RogerEpiales]

Going over some blogs, written by people who where there during the jury rehearsal, i don't think it's that strange the jury didn't put this at nr1 (or even 2,3 or 4) to be honest.

Just a few reactions

Eurovision Ireland:

Oops - The singer with the glasses was off key for one of his solo pieces. He ripped out his ear piece and you could see his colleagues giving him a glance. Look here is the deal for me - They can sing, they are a handsome trio but for me they sing alone and don't react with each other on stage. I was left feeling disappointed after that performance and the press at my table were in agreement - not a winner but if like in Sanremo the public could come to Il Volo's rescue tomorrow. They need it after that performance

On Europe:

Riigi Ametnik:
Finally is Italy and their three tenors two tenors and a baritone. This is one for the ladies who like smouldering looks and sharp suits. Yes, even Hiram ‘Brains’ Hackenbacker on the right. Under normal circumstances, I’d say this is a contender for the wonning. But it’s last on and Mr Janson in Aarhus may well have fallen into a Kirsebær-induced stupor by now. Some of the notes were very slightly off, but it got the biggest round of applause in the press centre.

and Finally, Italy.

Now, If I was a jury, I’ve had twenty six songs that have gone before and I now have to rank the Popera song thats being shouted at me from Italy. A song that should have Jury bait written all the way through it has been killed by the very late draw here because if the jury wasn’t confused before, They wont know what to do.

The 3 of them all appear to be off key in parts and they know it as they are looking at each other. Is this a Sognu moment happening all over again. The one that looks like Brains from Thunderbirds is having problems. This is not sounding great at all. It’s shouty and they might well have in ear problems there.

That’s not winning any contest after that performance.

 

[Krishoes]

I really do not get it... How could the judged place Italy that far down? After that performance???
And seeing that there are judges that have actually put Italy LAST!!!???? That makes no sence...

They haven't been good like on saturday night, that's a fact, so a six place for the juries can be a reasonable placement (Sweden, Latvia, Russia, Australia and Belgium have been actually perfect). It was a performance you could like and dislike too. There were little defects, but that could change your vote in a substantial way if you want to punish a entry you strongly dislike for many reasons, and that's what happened. Jurors are subjective as the audience who vote from home, we cannot change it.

Now it's time to book flights for Stockholm (I hope!) and thinking to the next year

 

[carriethunderwood]

I do feel bad for them, and commend them for reacting so maturely to the situation. With that being said, them almost losing San Remo due to a poor jury score was, in retrospect, a sign. I'm not sure why professional juries can't get on board with Grande Amore, perhaps because popera hasn't been particularly trendy in Europe since about 2010, maybe because the song is, fundamentally, quite simple, or maybe because popera tends to be quite divisive, but either way I'm sure there's a legitimately good reason for it.

Nonetheless, they seem to be taking the attitude of "We won the televote! What a bonus!" rather than "The juries destroyed our chances of winning", which is really good of them, and if they're moving on and making the most of it, hopefully we fans can too rather than dwelling on it for a whole year.

 

[Bradamante]

They haven't been good like on saturday night, that's a fact, so a six place for the juries can be a reasonable placement (Sweden, Latvia, Russia, Australia and Belgium have been actually perfect). It was a performance you could like and dislike too. There were little defects, but that could change your vote in a substantial way if you want to punish a entry you strongly dislike for many reasons, and that's what happened. Jurors are subjective as the audience who vote from home, we cannot change it.

Now it's time to book flights for Stockholm (I hope!) and thinking to the next year

It seems to me quite impossible: they did well the previous rehearsals. It is a song that they never sang off key, and they know by heart. Come on. I want to hear this performance. Is there any video available? Until now, I could not find any. Thank you.

 

[GWTW1939]

It seems to me quite impossible: they did well the previous rehearsals. It is a song that they never sang off key, and they know by heart. Come on. I want to hear this performance. Is there any video available? Until now, I could not find any. Thank you.

There is no video....as of yet. At the moment people are just looking for reasons to justify the terrible jury vote is all

 

[Krishoes]

It seems to me quite impossible: they did well the previous rehearsals. It is a song that they never sang off key, and they know by heart. Come on. I want to hear this performance. Is there any video available? Until now, I could not find any. Thank you.

I was there on the press center, I've heard their rehearsals and I have to be honest, this one of the jury rehearsal has been their worst performance, sadly (I remember that I thought "Ok, this is not good like their other rehearsals but so far it's better than the other competitors so they will manage a good placement").

However, like I wrote, there were little defects (the only one I remember: Piero had a problem with the timing on his first verse and he started to sing before). Who wrote that they were "off key" tells lies.

 

[Bradamante]

There is no video....as of yet. People are just looking for reasons to justify the terrible jury vote is all

So, I am sorry, but I believe to the guys previous record about this song. The two blogs quoted above had always been against the Italian entry, I do know that because I read everything. So. I don't trust them. If Krishoes is an eye witness may tell me more, but I am really skeptical that Piero could sing off key there. But without a video , I can't believe this. I have read of people who were there and didn't notice anything. So who is right?