Hungary HUNGARY 2018 - AWS - Viszlát nyár
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Vektor
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Maybe I remember it wrong, but I think Tóth had the same amount of views as Pápai before the Final. Pápai got more views after he won A Dal.
Maybe I remember it wrong, but I think Tóth had the same amount of views as Pápai before the Final. Pápai got more views after he won A Dal.
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Trust me, I was keeping a close eye on views last year
Joci already had several million on his official video before the final
Trust me, I was keeping a close eye on views last year
Joci already had several million on his official video before the final
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Meggyfa is not going to win
If it's between AWS and Gergely I prefer the second, but I would be fine with the first one as well, for the sake of diversity
Meggyfa is not going to win
If it's between AWS and Gergely I prefer the second, but I would be fine with the first one as well, for the sake of diversity
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I am talking about the live A Dal performance videos. I don't trust official video views, based on those Italy would have easily won the televote last year at ESC. The live performance views are always much better indicators.
Trust me, I was keeping a close eye on views last year
I am talking about the live A Dal performance videos. I don't trust official video views, based on those Italy would have easily won the televote last year at ESC. The live performance views are always much better indicators.
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I'm fairly certain Joci's live performances had more as well. Either way, Origo was still the only one to do well on the Spotify and iTunes charts implying that it was still the most popular
I'm fairly certain Joci's live performances had more as well. Either way, Origo was still the only one to do well on the Spotify and iTunes charts implying that it was still the most popular
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Well even if she had slightly less views, Gabi Tóth was a strong favourite of the public too. Last year was all about Joci vs. Gabi. So it was kind of unfair from the juries to leave Gabi out of the super final, though I think Joci still would have won.
This time I can imagine the juries top4 being AWS, Gergely Dánielfy, yesyes and maybe Zsolt Süle. And right now I'd say our entry will be "Viszlát nyár" It would be a risky choice, but I quite liked that song ever since I first heard it, I remember it was one of the few that was already out when the line-up was announced in December.
Well even if she had slightly less views, Gabi Tóth was a strong favourite of the public too. Last year was all about Joci vs. Gabi. So it was kind of unfair from the juries to leave Gabi out of the super final, though I think Joci still would have won.
This time I can imagine the juries top4 being AWS, Gergely Dánielfy, yesyes and maybe Zsolt Süle. And right now I'd say our entry will be "Viszlát nyár" It would be a risky choice, but I quite liked that song ever since I first heard it, I remember it was one of the few that was already out when the line-up was announced in December.
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AWS would be Hungary's first non qualification since their return. The juries hate that stuff in Eurovision and the public don't react well to it either (unless they all dress up as monsters). Danielfy might qualify but it would be borderline considering the semi they're in (and I don't think the public will want another Salvador). Yesyes also be a borderline qualifier. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't see them on Saturday night
AWS would be Hungary's first non qualification since their return. The juries hate that stuff in Eurovision and the public don't react well to it either (unless they all dress up as monsters). Danielfy might qualify but it would be borderline considering the semi they're in (and I don't think the public will want another Salvador). Yesyes also be a borderline qualifier. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't see them on Saturday night
JonnyWest
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AWS would be a qualifier with televote, I have no doubts about that. The jury is trickier...
Overall it would qualify to the final due to the new voting system
AWS would be a qualifier with televote, I have no doubts about that. The jury is trickier...
Overall it would qualify to the final due to the new voting system
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Really? The televoters don't vote for this type of music. Finland 2015, Slovakia 2012, Finland 2008, Finland 2007 etc. And Hungary are in a semi final with lots of other much bigger players (Sweden, Ukraine, Russia, Australia) And if the juries place this bottom 5 (which I predict they will given how they've disliked hard rock entries before) then Hungary have no chance
Really? The televoters don't vote for this type of music. Finland 2015, Slovakia 2012, Finland 2008, Finland 2007 etc. And Hungary are in a semi final with lots of other much bigger players (Sweden, Ukraine, Russia, Australia) And if the juries place this bottom 5 (which I predict they will given how they've disliked hard rock entries before) then Hungary have no chance
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I think you're stretching a bit here. Finland 2015 was an entirely different sort of song – mostly influenced by classic punk, much less melodic, harsher, half the length and with less energy in the live performance. Slovakia 2012 was perhaps more similar, but was weaker in vocals, staging and song quality, and was more of a mix of 80s glam rock and 00s punk-pop, neither of which really applies to AWS. Finland 2008 was, again, more of an 80s glam rock sort of thing.
Finland 2007 feels like the best comparison of those that you've mentioned, but at that point your justification for saying AWS won't qualify is to reach back 11 years – over which the contest has changed significantly – to mention a single, somewhat-related song, which even then qualified and came 17th. Out of 42 entries, that makes it one of the more successful of the year, so I'm not sure why comparisons there would be a negative. Not to mention, you're kind of cherry-picking the least successful rock entries and ignoring the equally-relevant Turkey 2008, Turkey 2010 and Cyprus 2016, which all qualified and generally performed rather well.
I'm not saying that AWS would necessarily bring Hungary a great result, or even that they would be a safe qualifier. It'd be a huge risk at Eurovision, and yes, SF2 is a tough one. I'm just saying that it seems silly to completely write off their qualification chances based on a tiny sample size, especially when that sample has significant differences, selection bias, dates back more than a decade and touts a 50% qualification rate anyway.
Honestly, I think the big challenge for AWS will be winning A Dal. They seem likely to reach the superfinal, but Gergely will perhaps have wider appeal, Tamas could quickly become the favourite again if he convinces the juries to put him top-4, televoters have been liking yesyes, and Leander Kills could split votes with AWS if both reach the superfinal. I'm hoping Hungary follows last year's example and surprises me by sending my favourite, but it feels like nothing can ever be guaranteed at A Dal, so we just have to wait.
I think you're stretching a bit here. Finland 2015 was an entirely different sort of song – mostly influenced by classic punk, much less melodic, harsher, half the length and with less energy in the live performance. Slovakia 2012 was perhaps more similar, but was weaker in vocals, staging and song quality, and was more of a mix of 80s glam rock and 00s punk-pop, neither of which really applies to AWS. Finland 2008 was, again, more of an 80s glam rock sort of thing.
Finland 2007 feels like the best comparison of those that you've mentioned, but at that point your justification for saying AWS won't qualify is to reach back 11 years – over which the contest has changed significantly – to mention a single, somewhat-related song, which even then qualified and came 17th. Out of 42 entries, that makes it one of the more successful of the year, so I'm not sure why comparisons there would be a negative. Not to mention, you're kind of cherry-picking the least successful rock entries and ignoring the equally-relevant Turkey 2008, Turkey 2010 and Cyprus 2016, which all qualified and generally performed rather well.
I'm not saying that AWS would necessarily bring Hungary a great result, or even that they would be a safe qualifier. It'd be a huge risk at Eurovision, and yes, SF2 is a tough one. I'm just saying that it seems silly to completely write off their qualification chances based on a tiny sample size, especially when that sample has significant differences, selection bias, dates back more than a decade and touts a 50% qualification rate anyway.
Honestly, I think the big challenge for AWS will be winning A Dal. They seem likely to reach the superfinal, but Gergely will perhaps have wider appeal, Tamas could quickly become the favourite again if he convinces the juries to put him top-4, televoters have been liking yesyes, and Leander Kills could split votes with AWS if both reach the superfinal. I'm hoping Hungary follows last year's example and surprises me by sending my favourite, but it feels like nothing can ever be guaranteed at A Dal, so we just have to wait.
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[MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION] You do make some good points (although I should point out that Finland 2007 never actually qualified for the final, they just automatically qualified). I agree that there isn't really anything very similar to compare AWS in Eurovision so there isn't much to base results on. I still think the best comparison is Slovakia 2012 (Cyprus 2016, Turkey 2008 and Turkey 2010 are much softer rock which has a very different appeal). I just think the screaming vocals (and they really a real very screamy) are going to put a lot of people off the song, especially the jurors. Again, we've never really had a song with screaming vocals at Eurovision so this is speculation but it just seems like the exact thing the juries hate. It'll do better in the public, but again I feel people won't be a fan of the vocals.
Maybe in another year with a different semi, AWS could qualify. But considering theyre stuck in with Sweden, Russia, Australia, Ukraine and Romania who are all masters of songs and staging, I really don't think they have a chance.
[MENTION=11243]ZoboCamel[/MENTION] You do make some good points (although I should point out that Finland 2007 never actually qualified for the final, they just automatically qualified). I agree that there isn't really anything very similar to compare AWS in Eurovision so there isn't much to base results on. I still think the best comparison is Slovakia 2012 (Cyprus 2016, Turkey 2008 and Turkey 2010 are much softer rock which has a very different appeal). I just think the screaming vocals (and they really a real very screamy) are going to put a lot of people off the song, especially the jurors. Again, we've never really had a song with screaming vocals at Eurovision so this is speculation but it just seems like the exact thing the juries hate. It'll do better in the public, but again I feel people won't be a fan of the vocals.
Maybe in another year with a different semi, AWS could qualify. But considering theyre stuck in with Sweden, Russia, Australia, Ukraine and Romania who are all masters of songs and staging, I really don't think they have a chance.
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Just been recapping myself on the eight songs in the A Dal final, and it's certainly a strong lineup. While I've obviously got my preferences, there are five that'd make strong Eurovision entries and would land themselves a spot in my top half, at least based on what's been chosen so far.
My personal ranking, based on previous live performances and future potential:
#01. AWS - Viszlát Nyár (9.5/10)
#02. Tamás Horváth - Meggyfa (8/10)
#03. Leander Kills - Nem Szól Harang (8/10 if old version; 7/10 if new version)
#04. Gergely Dánielfy - Azt mondtad (8/10)
#05. yesyes - I Let You Run Away (7.5/10)
#06. Zsolt Süle - Zöld a Május" (5.5/10)
#07. Gábor Heincz Biga - Good Vibez (4/10)
#08. Viktor Király - Budapest Girl (1/10)
So while I'd love to see AWS go all the way - and they'd shoot up to be my favourite of all the songs chosen for Eurovision so far this year - there are at least a lot of consolation prizes here if I don't get what I want. Still, though... AWS
Just been recapping myself on the eight songs in the A Dal final, and it's certainly a strong lineup. While I've obviously got my preferences, there are five that'd make strong Eurovision entries and would land themselves a spot in my top half, at least based on what's been chosen so far.
My personal ranking, based on previous live performances and future potential:
#01. AWS - Viszlát Nyár (9.5/10)
#02. Tamás Horváth - Meggyfa (8/10)
#03. Leander Kills - Nem Szól Harang (8/10 if old version; 7/10 if new version)
#04. Gergely Dánielfy - Azt mondtad (8/10)
#05. yesyes - I Let You Run Away (7.5/10)
#06. Zsolt Süle - Zöld a Május" (5.5/10)
#07. Gábor Heincz Biga - Good Vibez (4/10)
#08. Viktor Király - Budapest Girl (1/10)
So while I'd love to see AWS go all the way - and they'd shoot up to be my favourite of all the songs chosen for Eurovision so far this year - there are at least a lot of consolation prizes here if I don't get what I want. Still, though... AWS
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My ranking:
1. AWS - Viszlát nyár
2. yesyes - I let you run away
3. Gergely Dánielfy - Azt mondtad
4. Zsolt Süle - Zöld a május
5. Leander Kills - Nem szól harang
6. Gábor Heincz Biga - Good vibez
7. Viktor Király - Budapest girl
8. Tamás Horváth - Meggyfa
To be honest, all my biggest favourites are in the final, which has never happened to me before...
Sorry about that last place. I've never liked Horváth's song, I still don't get what's so special about it. I wouldn't complain if he got chosen though, cause others seem to like it very much...
But I hope Gergely, AWS or yesyes will represent us.
My ranking:
1. AWS - Viszlát nyár
2. yesyes - I let you run away
3. Gergely Dánielfy - Azt mondtad
4. Zsolt Süle - Zöld a május
5. Leander Kills - Nem szól harang
6. Gábor Heincz Biga - Good vibez
7. Viktor Király - Budapest girl
8. Tamás Horváth - Meggyfa
To be honest, all my biggest favourites are in the final, which has never happened to me before...
Sorry about that last place. I've never liked Horváth's song, I still don't get what's so special about it. I wouldn't complain if he got chosen though, cause others seem to like it very much...
But I hope Gergely, AWS or yesyes will represent us.
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I'll post my ranking too
It ended up being quite a good final, the results will be exciting for sure.
These three are my biggest faves, I'd be satisfied with any of them winning:
1. AWS - Viszlát nyár
2. Gergely Dánielfy - Azt mondtad
3. Tamás Horváth - Meggyfa
Would be Ok with these two, but I prefer my top3:
4. yesyes - I Let You Run Away
5. Viktor Király - Budapest Girl
Not terrible, but with better options in the line-up, I'd prefer these not to win:
6. Leander Kills - Nem szól harang
7. Gábor Heincz - Good Vibez
8. Zsolt Süle - Zöld a május
I'll post my ranking too
It ended up being quite a good final, the results will be exciting for sure.
These three are my biggest faves, I'd be satisfied with any of them winning:
1. AWS - Viszlát nyár
2. Gergely Dánielfy - Azt mondtad
3. Tamás Horváth - Meggyfa
Would be Ok with these two, but I prefer my top3:
4. yesyes - I Let You Run Away
5. Viktor Király - Budapest Girl
Not terrible, but with better options in the line-up, I'd prefer these not to win:
6. Leander Kills - Nem szól harang
7. Gábor Heincz - Good Vibez
8. Zsolt Süle - Zöld a május
