GERMANY 2013 - Cascada - Glorious

[Sandri]

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Stefan Raab is a fool (no surprise here really). 8th place for that generic song was EXTREMELY good imo (also considering it was 100% televoting back then). How is it "anti-Eurovision" when it's a national COPY of Eurovision?

So what if most songs are in German? The ESC entry should represent Germany shouldn't it? I mean Germany is always sending American or British products (in terms of songwriters, composers and yeah language aswell), it's getting kind of boring to be honest.

In 2012 3/5 songs in the final top. 5 were 100% in native language, the runner-up was 50/50. People tend to forget that in a contest with 40+ entrants, a top. 10 is GOOD, so one should not just blindly focus on the winning songs only as an argument for or against any type of entry.

Anyways, I'm certain we'll get another talent show and another American import product, but I would hope for something more interesting and representative of the German music scene in 2012. We'll see...

You're right, but it was the time of 100% televoters and Germany often finished on last places. In that days it was unbelievable for Germany to win one day again. Nowadays he is very happy with a 8th place of Roman.

I think Raab is brilliant, because without him, Eurovision wouldn't be that succesful in Germany as it is today.
But they have to change the NF and I think they will, viewer numbers were very low this year.

But it's too late to change Bundesvision to NF, because the songs will be played before September...

 

[asa]

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Also, when you look at the german single charts: How often do we get a german-language No 1? Okay, at the moment, we got one (Die Toten Hosen - Tage wie Diese), but the one before was in 2010... It's sad, but that is Germany.

That may be true for the single charts, but German language albums do extremely well. For example, out of the 10 different albums that topped the German charts this year 7 are in German.

I listen to a lot of German music (none of it Schlager or Volksmusik), but most of it probably wouldn't work too well for Eurovision. For example, there are loads of great singer-songwriters: Gisbert zu Knyphausen, Clickclickdecker, Moritz Krämer, Niels Frevert and Philipp Poisel (links included), just to name a few.
Alin Coen and her band probably aren't Eurovision material either..

and neither is Spaceman Spiff (you HAVE to listen to this song, I love it to bits! Maybe close your eyes though if you get queasy easily. )


One of these 5 acts could work quite well though, imo:

 

[asa]

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What about Mia.? Mieze (the singer) was actually part of the German jury this year.

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[Venage]

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Here is also a small preview video of this year's Bundesvision:

[video]http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/tvtotal/videos/player/index.html?contentId=132209&initialTab=related[/video]

 

[Kicker]

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Not Mia... :?

 

[Sandri]

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In fact it's very difficult to send a German song. A good German song is at least about 70% lyrics. German lyrics are often very poetic or have to be, because German language is not as easy as English. E.g. 'Eiserner Steg', it's nothing special without that lyrics.

The most sucessful German artists have brilliant lyrics.
So for ESC you need a brilliant song, because people won't get the magic of lyrics.

It could be a try, but I would be very suprised to reach a good place with German lyrics, therefore the song has to be outstanding (something like 'Guildo hat euch lieb', but I don't like joke entries)

 

[Kicker]

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As I said: Frida Gold or Glasperlenspiel could be very good options - They also worked very well in FSC ("Wovon sollen wir träumen" -> 8th, "Echt" -> 9th, "Ich bin Ich" -> 10th, "Freundschaft" (Glasperlenspiel) -> 7th), so I guess they could reach a good placing. My mother and me always say: If "Wovon sollen wir träumen" had been an ESC Entry, the people would have love it...

 

[Venage]

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Mhm, I think neither Frida Gold nor Glasperlenspiel would be a good option for the ESC. The songs might be quite nice, but in the end they are too boring, they are not that good at singing live and nobody would understand the lyrics which are an important part of their songs. I agree that German entries strongly depend on the lyrics and therefore it is very hard to send a German entry which is special beyond the magic of lyrics.

Besides BenjRose (who make amazing English music) I could also think of another artist who makes special music which doesn't only shine because of the lyrics: Casper. The lyrics are also an important part of his songs, but the beat is amazing and he has a special voice which would definitely stand out in the ESC. For example this song:

 

[theCONWEL]

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Cassandra Steen and/or Adel Tawil

 

[CC92]

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Sure, most German pop music is not as catchy and 'shallow' as its Anglo-saxon or Scandinavian counterparts but does it have to be? As A-Lister points out, Suus had a deep meaning , was in Albanian (unlike German not an exactly widespread language) and came 5th. Europe hankers after some diversity and (hopefully) will be getting tired of the same stuff written by the same names over and over again. And it is not that 'serious' musicians these days sounded profound like Goethe or Kleist. You overstate things a bit. Then again, there are also plenty of rather 'lightweight' names (some being mentioned but I would prefer a real schlager or smth. up-tempo ethnic maybe) to choose from. Or something alternative perhaps? No matter what, most important is that we should start to compete with our own products. Not only for a change but that should be introduced as a permanent rule for everyone. Germany is one of biggest music industries in the world and yet our person responsibles cannot arrange a competitive song for the ESC? How self-humiliating. :?
Concerning BSC: Yes, definitely the idea sounds good and I wish the same nevertheless I could understand Raab if he wants to keep the contest open for artists which are not ready to take part in ESC. One could leave the participation optional so that the best-placed willing act will be send or so but honestly then either the 'would-you-do-it-question' would totally overshadow the whole procedure or it would slowly turn BSC into a de-facto-preselection-format like Melodifestivalen (which would not be something bad from my point of view but it seems to be what Raab tries to prevent). Hence why I advocate a kind of 'second BSC' used as a selection method for ESC only. This would be similar to the national finals held until 2005 with the exception of the laender-voting-system (though I do not think it is a must it adds fun and excitement and bloc voting looks manageable) and that all songs have to be from Germany and are to be written/performed in German.

 

[Sean]

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Could you not do it San Remo style? i.e. keep the normal contest separate from ESC but invite a certain performer to go to Stockholm?

 

[asa]

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Besides BenjRose (who make amazing English music) I could also think of another artist who makes special music which doesn't only shine because of the lyrics: Casper. The lyrics are also an important part of his songs, but the beat is amazing and he has a special voice which would definitely stand out in the ESC.

I think Casper is great (have seen him live twice), but his voice takes some getting used to, I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. But yeah, maybe Casper and Kraftclub could go together?

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

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I think Casper is great (have seen him live twice), but his voice takes some getting used to, I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. But yeah, maybe Casper and Kraftclub could go together?

Love them too...But I think it`s not good for the contest. Would like to have Ivy Quainoo. She is perfect.

 

[Venage]

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I think Casper is great (have seen him live twice), but his voice takes some getting used to, I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. But yeah, maybe Casper and Kraftclub could go together?

This performance was amaaaazing. Regarding Casper's voice: I don't think that it will be a problem. Rona Nishliu also had an unusual voice + song and did very well. It isn't important that everyone likes Casper's voice but to gain attention and to stand out in a crowd of different acts.

 

[asa]

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This performance was amaaaazing.

I know, completely wasted on the Echo crowd. The audience seemed to be filled with zombies for most of the awards show...

 

[Sandri]

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I know, completely wasted on the Echo crowd. The audience seemed to be filled with zombies for most of the awards show...

Oh yeah, the most boring crowd in the whole world... An ECHO for them!
Freaking out anybody ?!?

Kraftklub would work IMO. They have great lyrics AND awesome beats+riffs... With a song like 'Songs für Liam' they would blow Sweden away

Very excited who and how they gonna choose one...

 

[jaan]

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Oh yeah, the most boring crowd in the whole world... An ECHO for them!
Freaking out anybody ?!?

Kraftklub would work IMO. They have great lyrics AND awesome beats+riffs... With a song like 'Songs für Liam' they would blow Sweden away

Very excited who and how they gonna choose one...

Some acts that announced their interest to take part in a national final next year:

Tim Bendzko

MIA

Die Orsons

Andreas Bourani

Bullmeister

Die Toten Crackhuren Im Kofferraum

Cascada

Ira Atari & Rampue

Enno Bunger

Hello Gravity

Blumentopf

Mariama

Klee

Jamaram

Oceana

Bernd Begemann

Olli Schulz

 

[Venage]

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Olli Schulz? That would be soooo awesome. Even if he didn't win that would be the funniest ESC ever. He is just crazy at times and doesn't care what other people think of him Together with Joko and Klaas he would bring total chaos to the ESC, for example this way on the red carpet :

 

[Thaddeus]

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Unheilig

 

[PeterLPZ]

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Kraftklub would be great.