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I hope to see some German schlager next year
I hope to see some German schlager next year
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Well, you can hope, but I'm pretty sure that it's not gonna happen. Especially not if they keep the "Unser Star Für.." concept. In that case, they'll probably continue sending radio-friendly pop entries, sung by somehow cute artists. And actually, I wouldn't mind that! I loved both "Satellite" and "Standing Still".
I hope to see some German schlager next year
Well, you can hope, but I'm pretty sure that it's not gonna happen. Especially not if they keep the "Unser Star Für.." concept. In that case, they'll probably continue sending radio-friendly pop entries, sung by somehow cute artists. And actually, I wouldn't mind that! I loved both "Satellite" and "Standing Still".
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Exactly. To make that happen, we would have to abdicate NDR from responsibility first. There was a great possibility for that until 2009, but given their recent run of good placings they surely will stay in charge at least for the next couple of years. The Unser Star für... soap might go though. *Fingers crossed*
Well, you can hope, but I'm pretty sure that it's not gonna happen. Especially not if they keep the "Unser Star Für.." concept. In that case, they'll probably continue sending radio-friendly pop entries, sung by somehow cute artists. And actually, I wouldn't mind that! I loved both "Satellite" and "Standing Still".I hope to see some German schlager next year
Exactly. To make that happen, we would have to abdicate NDR from responsibility first. There was a great possibility for that until 2009, but given their recent run of good placings they surely will stay in charge at least for the next couple of years. The Unser Star für... soap might go though. *Fingers crossed*
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I'm pretty sure Germany won't send any schlager to Eurovision because here in Germany the most people strongly dislike every kind of schlager so I don't see any chance for this to represent Germany in the near future (and honestly I think Germany will never ever be represented by schlager anymore because I'm sure this kind of music is dying).
And I think we're going to have another selection process this year: The viewing rate this year were just much too low...
I'm pretty sure Germany won't send any schlager to Eurovision because here in Germany the most people strongly dislike every kind of schlager so I don't see any chance for this to represent Germany in the near future (and honestly I think Germany will never ever be represented by schlager anymore because I'm sure this kind of music is dying).
And I think we're going to have another selection process this year: The viewing rate this year were just much too low...
DannyDS
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lol what are you guys talking about... Schlager is da shizz here in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
lol what are you guys talking about... Schlager is da shizz here in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
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Whut? Therefore it is doing extremely well on tv, in the media, in the sell charts, etc. If something is dying I think it is more the notorious anti-schlager attitude that rose up with the 1968's movements (fighting against everything bourgeois, traditional). Nope, it is not a 'quality' genre but most of the current Electro pop stuff is even worse in this respect I'd say.
Whut?
Therefore it is doing extremely well on tv, in the media, in the sell charts, etc. If something is dying I think it is more the notorious anti-schlager attitude that rose up with the 1968's movements (fighting against everything bourgeois, traditional). Nope, it is not a 'quality' genre but most of the current Electro pop stuff is even worse in this respect I'd say.
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^^
just saw an advertisement on Belgium tv of a full cd with german schlagers
I had to think on you guys :lol
^^
just saw an advertisement on Belgium tv of a full cd with german schlagers
I had to think on you guys :lol
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Exactly!
I mean some of the most STABLE and best selling album sellers in Germany are schlager artists.. while the rest come and go.
Helene Fischer
Whut?
Exactly!
I mean some of the most STABLE and best selling album sellers in Germany are schlager artists.. while the rest come and go.
Helene Fischer
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Though in the Netherlands, her album lost the peak position this weak ... to Jantje Smit.
That proves IMHO that schlager is eligible also on an international level but, well, it will not happen as long as NDR is in charge. At least not from us.
Exactly!Whut?
I mean some of the most STABLE and best selling album sellers in Germany are schlager artists.. while the rest come and go.
Helene Fischer
Though in the Netherlands, her album lost the peak position this weak
... to Jantje Smit. That proves IMHO that schlager is eligible also on an international level but, well, it will not happen as long as NDR is in charge. At least not from us.
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Yeah, same goes for the Netherlands which seem to be having a "schlager-revival" going on, because there schlager is doing great not only in the Album charts (as in Germany), but also on the Singles chart.
Music snobs will always be haters, but I applaud more local and traditional stuff blooming... I mean is there some sort of natural law that Americanized Pop (ironically often produced by Swedes) in English must be the only eligible music or what? This is one of the reasons why I think it's very important that ESC stays true to its actual concept and not sell-out totally.
Though in the Netherlands, her album lost the peak position this weak
That proves IMHO that schlager is eligible also on an international level but, well, it will not happen as long as NDR is in charge. At least not from us.
Yeah, same goes for the Netherlands which seem to be having a "schlager-revival" going on, because there schlager is doing great not only in the Album charts (as in Germany), but also on the Singles chart.
Music snobs will always be haters, but I applaud more local and traditional stuff blooming... I mean is there some sort of natural law that Americanized Pop (ironically often produced by Swedes
) in English must be the only eligible music or what? This is one of the reasons why I think it's very important that ESC stays true to its actual concept and not sell-out totally.
DannyDS
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She's fabulous!
Exactly!
I mean some of the most STABLE and best selling album sellers in Germany are schlager artists.. while the rest come and go.
Helene Fischer
She's fabulous!
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Oh she is, and whoever say she's "cheap" because she does schlager should realize that she's a really talented singer and performer... way more so than the everyday German pop chick singing in English... most of those have very limited talents tbh.
Oh she is, and whoever say she's "cheap" because she does schlager should realize that she's a really talented singer and performer... way more so than the everyday German pop chick singing in English... most of those have very limited talents tbh.
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Because almost all those 'careers' are based on idol shows and disappear after one hit (or flop) single. Normally established artists, regardless of the genre they are representing, use to write or sing in German and that ironically reflects the situation in about 90% of European countries (their respective native tongue, of course). I agree with all who say it is a pity that ESC is not in line with this trend at all. We probably need two "Molitvas" in a row or so to make people (actually: the broadcasters) understand that not everyone is keen on listening to English-language music; at least not only. Even better a "Molitva" which has some commercial success afterwards.
As for Helene, she has had a musical training so indeed it would be ridiculous to call her "un-talented". By the way, Jean Frankfurter, her producer and writer of a lot (I think most) of her songs composed the German entry for ESC 1978. Which also is my favourite in that year.
Because almost all those 'careers' are based on idol shows and disappear after one hit (or flop) single. Normally established artists, regardless of the genre they are representing, use to write or sing in German and that ironically reflects the situation in about 90% of European countries (their respective native tongue, of course). I agree with all who say it is a pity that ESC is not in line with this trend at all. We probably need two "Molitvas" in a row or so to make people (actually: the broadcasters) understand that not everyone is keen on listening to English-language music; at least not only. Even better a "Molitva" which has some commercial success afterwards.
As for Helene, she has had a musical training so indeed it would be ridiculous to call her "un-talented". By the way, Jean Frankfurter, her producer and writer of a lot (I think most) of her songs composed the German entry for ESC 1978. Which also is my favourite in that year.
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Schlager is just doing well in the Album charts, in the single charts, it just doesn't come trough. For example, just look at the discographie of Helene Fischer: Helene Fischer/Diskografie
And the people who buy the albums are mostly people around the age of 60. The young generation in general doesn't like schlager or at least I don't know any person around me who likes schlager. I stick with my opinion that schlager isn't accepted by the young generation.
Schlager is just doing well in the Album charts, in the single charts, it just doesn't come trough. For example, just look at the discographie of Helene Fischer: Helene Fischer/Diskografie
And the people who buy the albums are mostly people around the age of 60. The young generation in general doesn't like schlager or at least I don't know any person around me who likes schlager. I stick with my opinion that schlager isn't accepted by the young generation.
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^ Album sales prove the acceptance of an artist and her repertoire and moreover are more appropriate to indicate what people really *like* to listen to rather than following media generated hypes. It is no coincidence that the single and download charts are full of trashy American ar... eh sound-making people, whereas the album charts are dominated by more serious and especially established musicians. And that is not a genre thing; also not local vs. international music. Basically, the single charts here stopped being valuable for me a long time ago.
There are schlager (as well as pop, rock) artists whose target groups mainly are older people (e.g. Semino Rossi, Amigos) but in case of Helene that is just not true; she has many young fans. Though I generally do not think it is important who listens to which music. Are young, male, academic, whichever tastes superior to others?
^ Album sales prove the acceptance of an artist and her repertoire and moreover are more appropriate to indicate what people really *like* to listen to rather than following media generated hypes. It is no coincidence that the single and download charts are full of trashy American ar... eh sound-making people, whereas the album charts are dominated by more serious and especially established musicians. And that is not a genre thing; also not local vs. international music. Basically, the single charts here stopped being valuable for me a long time ago.
There are schlager (as well as pop, rock) artists whose target groups mainly are older people (e.g. Semino Rossi, Amigos) but in case of Helene that is just not true; she has many young fans. Though I generally do not think it is important who listens to which music. Are young, male, academic, whichever tastes superior to others?
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Roland Kaiser performed in Schwerin today!
Roland Kaiser performed in Schwerin today!
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Schlager? Hell no! It's most of the time just horrible and the only image that comes to my mind is this:
There is a lot of good music in German, but not Schlager. That's at least the opinion of the majority of the young people. I don't know anyone < 60 who actually listens to this stuff.
Schlager? Hell no! It's most of the time just horrible and the only image that comes to my mind is this:
There is a lot of good music in German, but not Schlager. That's at least the opinion of the majority of the young people. I don't know anyone < 60 who actually listens to this stuff.
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Ageism is not cute, never was and never will be. Oikophobia is also not cute and musical snobby-ism isn't either...
Helene Fischer is a type of artist which is liked by all ages, and atleast that type of schlager is played in some quite popular and trendy clubs in Berlin (talking from experience), so the "age and popularity" argument is not working. There is good and bad in all genres. I mean I could post the worst and most pathetic pop songs and argue "no Pop!" for Germany... so that doesn't say much really, it's just rhetoric.
Ageism is not cute, never was and never will be. Oikophobia is also not cute and musical snobby-ism isn't either...
Helene Fischer is a type of artist which is liked by all ages, and atleast that type of schlager is played in some quite popular and trendy clubs in Berlin (talking from experience), so the "age and popularity" argument is not working. There is good and bad in all genres. I mean I could post the worst and most pathetic pop songs and argue "no Pop!" for Germany... so that doesn't say much really, it's just rhetoric.
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Thank you! Again well said!
^ Album sales prove the acceptance of an artist and her repertoire and moreover are more appropriate to indicate what people really *like* to listen to rather than following media generated hypes. It is no coincidence that the single and download charts are full of trashy American ar... eh sound-making people, whereas the album charts are dominated by more serious and especially established musicians. And that is not a genre thing; also not local vs. international music. Basically, the single charts here stopped being valuable for me a long time ago.
There are schlager (as well as pop, rock) artists whose target groups mainly are older people (e.g. Semino Rossi, Amigos) but in case of Helene that is just not true; she has many young fans. Though I generally do not think it is important who listens to which music. Are young, male, academic, whichever tastes superior to others?
Thank you! Again well said!