GERMANY 2013 - Cascada - Glorious

[eugoose]

I kind of get your point of view Lak (despite the flaws in the argument). The problem that I have is that this is supposed to be a song contest. Therefore, if you're going to even attempt to justify a clain of plagiarism, you will need to ensure that you are approaching it from a completely informed and technical stance - not just a "hey, this has a similar beat and synth to last year's winner, so it's clearly a copy".

Accusations like this do nothing but maliciously damage a song's reputation, and especially when they are unfounded you have essentially skewed the viewing audiences opinion before hearing a note, putting the song at an unfair disadvantage. If I had the desire, I'm pretty sure I could've searched far and wide to find a song from the past that was a carbon copy of Only Teardrops or any other song in the contest. Please think twice and get all of your facts right before joining in with the hate campaign in the future.

The problem was, that the media needed some sort of scandal for this Eurovision, and it turned out that Cascada would be perfect for that. Did anyone care that Denmark 2011 was a carbon copy of 'Sing for Me' back in 2006? Did anyone care that Denmark 2012's chorus was very similar to Seal's 'Crazy'? No. Because people couldn't care less about no-name artists, but when a big name international artist like Cascada *allegedly* plagiarizes, it's all 'OMG What a fake!'

What make this even better is that, the many members of Denmark's fanbase, who were probably intimidated by Cascada stealing their victory, then continued to spread this around like STDs.

They basically kicked Cascada in the knees before they let her out of the starting gate.

 

[LakZaNokte]

The problem was, that the media needed some sort of scandal for this Eurovision, and it turned out that Cascada would be perfect for that. Did anyone care that Denmark 2011 was a carbon copy of 'Sing for Me' back in 2006? Did anyone care that Denmark 2012's chorus was very similar to Seal's 'Crazy'? No. Because people couldn't care less about no-name artists, but when a big name international artist like Cascada *allegedly* plagiarizes, it's all 'OMG What a fake!'

What make this even better is that, the many members of Denmark's fanbase, who were probably intimidated by Cascada stealing their victory, then continued to spread this around like STDs.

They basically kicked Cascada in the knees before they let her out of the starting gate.

well, last year serbia was on much thinner ice (imo) with all that and they didn't end up in the bottom

sorry but this never was a contender to win. if it was, no scandal would hurt it (for that matter, euphoria was heavily accused for the same before the show)

 

[Venage]

TV Ratings

8,21 million Germans watched the grand final, 800,000 less than last year. This corresponds to a total markt share of 34%. In 2010 and 2011 there were 14,7 and 13,89 million viewers respectively as a comparison. In the group aged between 14 and 49 there were 4,25 million viewers which corresponds to a market share of 42,6%.

 

[theditz83]

btw, stop reading my posts like a fan of this song, try to be objective

I'm being objective as a fan of music in general. You are trying to change your argument now away from the plagiarism row to the trends of what style will win year on year - that's not what I have an issue with. My issue is with making accusations that cannot be backed-up with hard evidence. Melodically and rhythmically, when two songs are different, I don't get why they can be accused of being a carbon copy. It's just a false claim.

But whatever, I'm done - I'll await the next big drama next year.

And Lak - this isn't anything personal against you.

 

[Mattan]

Did anyone care that Denmark 2011 was a carbon copy of 'Sing for Me' back in 2006?

Yes. I couldn't stand Denmark's song that year, precisely because of this.

I'll say no more on my personal opinion on Glorious, but I watched the final with my family. None of them had ever heard the song before nor did they know what I thought about it. They heavily criticized the song for the reasons discussed here.

 

[GermanBango]

sooo the head of NDR said "18 points for Merkel"
I'm glad that the feared shitstorm didn't happen yet, everyone here seems disappointed rather then being mad on Cascada.
It must have been politics or Cascada is the first victim of the new voting system with the jurys killing her!
About 30 minutes after the final she gave a live interview and she was happy as always: " I had a great time here. This week was the best of my life and my carrer. The audience was just awesome. We are all surprised because we always got a diffrent Feedback, I's such a pity but as I always said.... You'll never know what happens at Eurovision".
I adore her

 

[Venage]

So let's be honest. Glorious was inspired by Euphoria, even similar to Euphoria, but it wasn't plagiarism. Obviously sending a similar song like last year's winner never works well but Cascada deserved better as there were some crap entries with a higher position. I reckon it was a combination of Europe's hate of Germany and the lack of an outstanding song. The problem is that there weren't better songs in the national final. LaBrassBanda might have gotten a better result but on the other hand they were quite similar to Greece. Ben Ivory on the other hand had a good song but had a horrible live performance. The rest of them were just "nice" except Betty Dittrich but she didn't have a chance anyway.

The NDR should revamp the whole national selection. In Italy they have an internal selection after San Remo and it works quite well with good results and quality entries. That would be perfect but I'm not convinced that we Germans can pull this off.

 

[Scooby]

She was much better on national final than last night.

 

[wittgenstein]

Glorius didn't come out very well on television. Reminded me a lot of Charlotte Perelli - hero, cascada also seemed stuck on that ladder.

 

[Anjeza]

Yeah, it's about the politics again, sure ... SPIEGEL ONLINE and BILD are both writing something like that. Anyway, I guess the real shitstorm will start on Tuesday, the results were too late to be mentioned in the newspapers on Sunday and tomorrow is a holiday...

I also think that NDR should think again about certain aspects of our NF, esp. the part with the radio voting which caused as much discussions as the accusation of plagiarism against Cascada

 

[GermanBango]

Yeah, it's about the politics again, sure ... SPIEGEL ONLINE and BILD are both writing something like that. Anyway, I guess the real shitstorm will start on Tuesday, the results were too late to be mentioned in the newspapers on Sunday and tomorrow is a holiday...

I also think that NDR should think again about certain aspects of our NF, esp. the part with the radio voting which caused as much discussions as the accusation of plagiarism against Cascada

Naah I don't think soo, the people seem dissapointed because we all excpected and deserved better.
On the other hand there is already a shitstorm about Lena and her 10 points

PS: Great signature

 

[Venage]

You can't deny that politics also play a role in Eurovision. I'm not saying that the song deserved to win but it certainly deserved better than Armenia, Romania or Belarus?!

 

[Anjeza]

On the other hand there is already a shitstorm about Lena and her 10 points

PS: Great signature

Gosh, these crybabies... Wonder what they would have done in her place...

And thank you

 

[apasionata]

Natalie really DID NOT deserve this big, awful flop. She performed it fantastic and I think she got good support from televoters but i'm almost sure that juries killed her. Anyway, amazing job for this year and I'm looking for their MF next year!

 

[CypriotGirl]

I also think politics should've played their role in Germany's flop. There was a negative spirit against Germany in many countries and poor Cascada had to pay for this. And I have to mention the recession of dance music recently. I see very few eurodance songs charting or receiving airplay, a dance song in order to have success must be progressive, like David Guetta stuff. Cascada could have made a more progressive song, or even this very song in a more progressive production.

 

[CypriotGirl]

AND I don't think juries killed her, I mean AT ALL. Just wait for the split televoting/jury results to make accusations. Juries don't hate dance music, their massive support for Euphoria last year shows that. I think it had the same ranking in both jury and televoting.

 

[wittgenstein]

Maybe germany we're the victims of a really strong year.

Btw - I think Lena did great. She's always so much fun to watch!

 

[seb89]

Maybe it was a flop because she was out of tune while she was singing?

 

[LakZaNokte]

I'm being objective as a fan of music in general. You are trying to change your argument now away from the plagiarism row to the trends of what style will win year on year - that's not what I have an issue with. My issue is with making accusations that cannot be backed-up with hard evidence. Melodically and rhythmically, when two songs are different, I don't get why they can be accused of being a carbon copy. It's just a false claim.

But whatever, I'm done - I'll await the next big drama next year.

And Lak - this isn't anything personal against you.

well, i didn't want to go further with plagiarism (it's a technical term anyway, it's determined by certain rules etc) but entire point was that it reminds way to much on euphoria. and, as such, it was bound to fail. that's all i wanted to say.
but it's not an attack on yours or any1s taste
u can like whatever u want. and it doesn't mean you have no idea about music or something. (i always think of adel who loves our "celebrate" )

but discussing some statistics from esc, trends...that's all out there

and we're fine, no worries. afterall, it's just a song (i disagree with smiley about most of the esc in entire history, so what )

So let's be honest. Glorious was inspired by Euphoria, even similar to Euphoria, but it wasn't plagiarism. Obviously sending a similar song like last year's winner never works well but Cascada deserved better as there were some crap entries with a higher position. I reckon it was a combination of Europe's hate of Germany and the lack of an outstanding song. The problem is that there weren't better songs in the national final. LaBrassBanda might have gotten a better result but on the other hand they were quite similar to Greece. Ben Ivory on the other hand had a good song but had a horrible live performance. The rest of them were just "nice" except Betty Dittrich but she didn't have a chance anyway.

The NDR should revamp the whole national selection. In Italy they have an internal selection after San Remo and it works quite well with good results and quality entries. That would be perfect but I'm not convinced that we Germans can pull this off.

look, u sent something lame. and it's fine. every1 sends something lame from time to time (some more often than others tho 2)
seems to me last couple of years spoiled u in esc and that's why this is more painful than it should be

in the end, it wasn't embarassing or something. but it was a very bad choice for this year imo

 

[Venage]

look, u sent something lame. and it's fine. every1 sends something lame from time to time (some more often than others tho 2)
seems to me last couple of years spoiled u in esc and that's why this is more painful than it should be

in the end, it wasn't embarassing or something. but it was a very bad choice for this year imo

It was clear from the beginning that it wasn't amazing but it certainly wasn't that bad. It's not painful in the way that Europe didn't like our song but that several crap entries had a higher placing than Cascada (for example Belarus just to name one country). Obviously the people start to question the whole bloc voting once again. Just to be clear: The same can be said about France as well.