Australia AUSTRALIA 2018 - Jessica Mauboy - We Got Love

[hijirio]

I don't think this is a demo.
After 3 minutes, there's 20 seconds of nonsence humming that they will probably cut before releasing the song.
So it's actually already 3 minutes complete song.

 

[Sammy]

May I just make a little remark to the moderators here: I got a kind reminder from you that I should not ask here for links to download / share songs because it's against the forum rules. You were right to do so (even if I was not thinking of it, in that case I was just wanted to know if anyone knew if a youtube link for the Montenegrin studio version existed but the formulation of my question was misleading.)! So yes, you were right to remind me to be more careful on this matter.

On the other hand you open a poll for a song that hasn't been officially released yet. Isn't that an invitation to stream/share an illegally published song?

I mean - I'd LOVE to give points to it, but I didn't hear the song yet and I'm not sure if I can ask anyone here to tell me where I can listen to it without again breaking the forum rules.

 

[Matt]

I'm sorry everyone. Forgot about that. Won't happen again.

No worries, I knew you meant no harm. But those delegations & broadcasters are watching.....those creeps.

 

[Matt]

May I just make a little remark to the moderators here: I got a kind reminder from you that I should not ask here for links to download / share songs because it's against the forum rules. You were right to do so (even if I was not thinking of it, in that case I was just wanted to know if anyone knew if a youtube link for the Montenegrin studio version existed but the formulation of my question was misleading.)! So yes, you were right to remind me to be more careful on this matter.

On the other hand you open a poll for a song that hasn't been officially released yet. Isn't that an invitation to stream/share an illegally published song?

I mean - I'd LOVE to give points to it, but I didn't hear the song yet and I'm not sure if I can ask anyone here to tell me where I can listen to it without again breaking the forum rules.

I think the poll was put up when it was available on YT and other websites and we are not liable for that, I think they have been taken down since. There were information posted telling us that the real song would be released today but that hasn't happened yet. I will wait a couple of hours and if it's still not out, we can take it down.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

 

[A-lister]

Will be interesting to see if Australia once again can get away with sending uninspired blandness to the contest and those so called "experts" in the juries will push them once again?

 

[Preuss]

Will be interesting to see if Australia once again can get away with sending uninspired blandness to the contest and those so called "experts" in the juries will push them once again?

And these so called "experts" benefits Sweden as well
I mean, Guy Sebastian deserved his points from the juries and Dami deserved to win it... Isaiah got maybe a bit too many points, but I get why they liked him considering the weak year

 

[Realest]

And these so called "experts" benefits Sweden as well
I mean, Guy Sebastian deserved his points from the juries and Dami deserved to win it... Isaiah got maybe a bit too many points, but I get why they liked him considering the weak year

Sometimes Sweden suffers with Juries, sometimes Sweden benefits. Thats how it should be. Sweden is rather a Juryfriendly Country thats right, but its not nearly in the same League like Australia. You cant say its fair that Australia gets 224/311/171 Jurypoints while the Public only gives 132/191/2 Points.

 

[A-lister]

And these so called "experts" benefits Sweden as well
I mean, Guy Sebastian deserved his points from the juries and Dami deserved to win it... Isaiah got maybe a bit too many points, but I get why they liked him considering the weak year

Funny, I didn't know this thread was about Sweden? So if someone is from country A they can't have an opinion on the songs of country B? Interesting restriction there...

Anyhow taste differs, but if bland dated stuff is what "experts" should vote for then ESC has a problem... and in no universe such a bland shite like Isaiah would deserve to be #2 in the semi and #4 in the final... yes it might have been a rather weak year... but that was one of the weaker songs in a weak year...

If people still believe that juries aren't biasly pushing Australia by now, then it's delusional...

 

[A-lister]

Sometimes Sweden suffers with Juries, sometimes Sweden benefits. Thats how it should be. Sweden is rather a Juryfriendly Country thats right, but its not nearly in the same League like Australia. You cant say its fair that Australia gets 224/311/171 Jurypoints while the Public only gives 132/191/2 Points.

This! It's blind to see that juries aren't unproportionally pushing Australia in this... sure the juries don't have to be in agreement with the voters... but let's not fool ourselves here?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Classic Eurovision fan to whine when the juries give low points to their favorites but shut up when their favorite a push by the jury, meanwhile the televoter goes unpunished. Whoever said the jury had to match the public opinion? Australia has been the jury favorite so far because they've sent modern western pop.

And besides, the idea that a country gets points because the country has some kind of status is dead. There is so much evidence speaking against it.

 

[A-lister]

Classic Eurovision fan to whine when the juries give low points to their favorites but shut up when their favorite a push by the jury, meanwhile the televoter goes unpunished. Whoever said the jury had to match the public opinion?

I can't speak for others, but where in this current discussion did I "whine" when juries didn't up my favs? ... that's not really the point of this discussion... but those juries are support to be some sort of music "experts" aren't they? shouldn't we expect "more" from them than than the average voter? and also aren't we allow to look more critical at a small group of people that have in practice more power over the outcome than the votes of millions? ... but hey if people still want to believe that there isn't a certain bias which is pushing Australia in this, then go on live in delusion...

But yeah we can "pretend" that Isaiah was top material and that Dami's standard ballad was some sort of "second coming" and deserved 100+ points more than the follow up

 

[Realest]

Classic Eurovision fan to whine when the juries give low points to their favorites but shut up when their favorite a push by the jury, meanwhile the televoter goes unpunished. Whoever said the jury had to match the public opinion? Australia has been the jury favorite so far because they've sent modern western pop.

And besides, the idea that a country gets points because the country has some kind of status is dead. There is so much evidence speaking against it.

Dont know if you meant me, but no. When f.e. Joci (who was among my Favs) was hurt by the Jury, I didnt complain, because I know that Sometimes Hungary benefited by the Juries (2012,14,15 f.e.) and that it was no Judgement regarding the Country but only the Song. But that can definitely not said about Australia. We all know it deep inside.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

but those juries are support to be some sort of music "experts" aren't they? shouldn't we expect "more" from them than than the average voter? and also aren't we allow to look more critical at a small group of people that have in practice more power over the outcome than the votes of millions? ... but hey if people still want to believe that there isn't a certain bias which is pushing Australia in this, then go on live in delusion...

But yeah we can "pretend" that Isaiah was top material and that Dami's standard ballad was some sort of "second coming" and deserved 100+ points more than the follow up

I wasn't just talking about your dislike against the juries. First of all, your argument builds on the belief that there is an objective ranking of what is quality or not. You can't state x song is better than y without being subjective. It would even be required that there is some kind of official ranking or list made by Eurovision fans to decide if the juries have made the right decisions or not. If your argument is about the concept of juries, it's a bit late to complain in 2018 and not 2009 (but what do I know if you did?).

There have always been theories that a certain country is being favored just because of it's status, and they all die when that country eventually flops and new theories rise to the surface about a certain country being favored.

 

[A-lister]

I wasn't just talking about your dislike against the juries. First of all, your argument builds on the belief that there is an objective ranking of what is quality or not. You can't state x song is better than y without being subjective. It would even be required that there is some kind of official ranking or list made by Eurovision fans to decide if the juries have made the right decisions or not. If your argument is about the concept of juries, it's a bit late to complain in 2018 and not 2009 (but what do I know if you did?).

There have always been theories that a certain country is being favored just because of it's status, and they all die when that country eventually flops and new theories rise to the surface about a certain country being favored.

Isn't it just convenient to support juries when they vote in accordance to one's taste and call others "whiners" who happen to see flaws with the juries? We all have our subjective taste, true, but I think even fans of Australia's songs in ESC could see that there is a biasism regardless of personal taste...

If it's all subjective, so is your opinion on the matter aswell... for instance you just wrote that Australia sent "modern" Western Pop (as a sort of "objective statement")... well here we can actually somewhat objectively see if that statement is legit because we can define "modern" as something that follows current trends just by observing those trends analyzing charts, YT plays, streamings, radio airplay, club plays, professorial reviews etc, and whether one liked their entries or not (this is obviously subjective), the last two were hardly "modern"... the only true part in that statement is Western Pop.

I know people have different theories about why juries are pushing Australia, the one I think could be legit is that EBU really wanted to "coup" this country into the contest as a permanent member (they already lied about it to the public from the very beginning so let's not pretend anything else), and to succeed and get the public jump onboard fully, they need to "normalize" their participation in the eye of the public and boost the country and make it "successful" is helping that agenda.

I've complained about juries since 2009 btw

 

[sigi]

Demo? Shazam says no

 

[Alaska49]

Sometimes Sweden suffers with Juries, sometimes Sweden benefits. Thats how it should be. Sweden is rather a Juryfriendly Country thats right, but its not nearly in the same League like Australia. You cant say its fair that Australia gets 224/311/171 Jurypoints while the Public only gives 132/191/2 Points.

sweden has not suffered with a jury relagive to their final placement since 2011

sweden has shaped the current direction of the contest ever since loreen won and australia gets the same push for doing the same kind of music, i doubt it is related to politics

also those first two are not bad televote results

 

[ZoboCamel]

Demo? Shazam says no

Shazam can guess songs even if you make a bad karaoke attempt at singing a melody with no backing track. I could try to yodel the melody of Monsters in my bedroom and it'd probably guess it, but (unfortunately) that wouldn't mean that my acapella-yodel-Monsters cover will represent Finland this year

 

[FilipFromSweden]

sweden has not suffered with a jury relagive to their final placement since 2011

sweden has shaped the current direction of the contest ever since loreen won and australia gets the same push for doing the same kind of music, i doubt it is related to politics

also those first two are not bad televote results

Sweden has shaped the current direction? So you should all thank us for two non-English songs winning lately? Sweden decides all the jury groups? Actually, the jury groups came back in 2009 after diaspora voting was so imminent in 2008.

Keep in mind that the jury didn’t fancy our 2016 song as much as the televoters did.

 

[Mrm]

Where is the entry? It disappeared again! What's going on?