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Sim
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no off course not, I also find this discussion a bit ridiculous because we don't know the lyrics
no off course not, I also find this discussion a bit ridiculous because we don't know the lyrics
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Sabiondo
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Depend where you live, in Religious and Conservative countries where they respect bible and family valorous as where i live - NO
But in the Western & Liberal countries who don't care about the religion - YES.
That is the diference
Depend where you live, in Religious and Conservative countries where they respect bible and family valorous as where i live - NO
But in the Western & Liberal countries who don't care about the religion - YES.
That is the diference
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[MENTION=8611]Haverdge[/MENTION] lets just agree to disagree. You do make a point in a lot of things, but I still believe this is not something Armenia should send.
[MENTION=8611]Haverdge[/MENTION] lets just agree to disagree. You do make a point in a lot of things, but I still believe this is not something Armenia should send.
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Fine. But at least wait to hear the song before making such a scathing verdict.
Fine. But at least wait to hear the song before making such a scathing verdict.
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Armenia has the right to sing a song about poeple they lost but even calling the song "Don't deny" is politicizing it. I personally don't mind political songs in ESC, but some people might. EBU let Israel compete with that song in 2007 but they didn't let Georgia do that in 2009, which makes me confused. Since Armenia's entry is the only song they promoted before it's announced in Eurovision's official Youtube page, I'm guessing EBU don't mind "Don't deny" competing. It's not the first time Armenia is politicizing Eurovision either, I mean look at JESC 2011 logo, or lyrics of Apricot Stone.
Armenia has the right to sing a song about poeple they lost but even calling the song "Don't deny" is politicizing it. I personally don't mind political songs in ESC, but some people might. EBU let Israel compete with that song in 2007 but they didn't let Georgia do that in 2009, which makes me confused. Since Armenia's entry is the only song they promoted before it's announced in Eurovision's official Youtube page, I'm guessing EBU don't mind "Don't deny" competing. It's not the first time Armenia is politicizing Eurovision either, I mean look at JESC 2011 logo, or lyrics of Apricot Stone.
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I'm sorry if I offend someone but I believe that Armenia can pay homage to their 1915 Genocide in so many occasions for so many times, but I don't think it's reasonable to put a song reflecting this history incident in the stage of Eurovision Song Contest. ESC is a stage where people get united and enjoy themselves, rather than history class or some kind.
Chinese people, like Armenian people, also suffered from humiliation and massacres throughout our history, most notably the Nanjing Massacre in 1937 which, as part of WW2 and Japanese invasion in China, more than 300,000 Nanjing city residents were killed in no more than several days, and this fact has never been recognized by Japanese authority. However, tons of Sino-Japanese cultural exchange events are held almost every year, including the so-called "Red-White Song Contest". Songs about WW2 and Nanjing Massacre were never presented in these occasions, nor have we seen any song conmemorating Nanjing Massacre in ATSF stage where both China and Japan participate and send representatives.
I find Armenian songs very interesting and I like them, even their patriotic songs. The videos of the songs are so professionally-made, like Sofi Mkheyan's Hayastan Erge and Inga Anush's Hay Hay, they even make me, a person with no Armenian blood and has never travelled to Armenia, feel so moved that I believe if I were Armenian, I'd also be proud of my nationality just as proud as I feel of being a Chinese now.
But, it just is not the right time or right stage to trigger all these controversies, even less if it will be arranged so seriously as the public speculated. I wish that the song is called Don't Deny but is no more than a love song.
I'm sorry if I offend someone but I believe that Armenia can pay homage to their 1915 Genocide in so many occasions for so many times, but I don't think it's reasonable to put a song reflecting this history incident in the stage of Eurovision Song Contest. ESC is a stage where people get united and enjoy themselves, rather than history class or some kind.
Chinese people, like Armenian people, also suffered from humiliation and massacres throughout our history, most notably the Nanjing Massacre in 1937 which, as part of WW2 and Japanese invasion in China, more than 300,000 Nanjing city residents were killed in no more than several days, and this fact has never been recognized by Japanese authority. However, tons of Sino-Japanese cultural exchange events are held almost every year, including the so-called "Red-White Song Contest". Songs about WW2 and Nanjing Massacre were never presented in these occasions, nor have we seen any song conmemorating Nanjing Massacre in ATSF stage where both China and Japan participate and send representatives.
I find Armenian songs very interesting and I like them, even their patriotic songs. The videos of the songs are so professionally-made, like Sofi Mkheyan's Hayastan Erge and Inga Anush's Hay Hay, they even make me, a person with no Armenian blood and has never travelled to Armenia, feel so moved that I believe if I were Armenian, I'd also be proud of my nationality just as proud as I feel of being a Chinese now.
But, it just is not the right time or right stage to trigger all these controversies, even less if it will be arranged so seriously as the public speculated. I wish that the song is called Don't Deny but is no more than a love song.
Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny
People! Peace & love....
I'm reading that "Don't deny" will be about tolerance & peace... have you heard "Don't deny"? No! So shut up everyone who tells that armenian song will be political. -,- We don't know the lyrics... so... don't panic Azerbaijan ; ]
People! Peace & love....
I'm reading that "Don't deny" will be about tolerance & peace... have you heard "Don't deny"? No! So shut up everyone who tells that armenian song will be political. -,- We don't know the lyrics... so... don't panic Azerbaijan ; ]
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It was the 25th anniversary of destruction of the Berlin Wall last year, why Germany didn't make a song about it? Maybe because Eurovision is not a place for politics? But some of you can still call me ''the proud Ottoman Empire citizen'' because that's the century some of you belong to. All truth all shade.
That was what i was try to say but offcourse i would be misunderstood 'cause i'm the daughter of Enver Pasha
It was the 25th anniversary of destruction of the Berlin Wall last year, why Germany didn't make a song about it? Maybe because Eurovision is not a place for politics?
But some of you can still call me ''the proud Ottoman Empire citizen'' because that's the century some of you belong to. All truth all shade.
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That was Russia and Ukraine, not us. Please don't mix things up. Conchita got 10 points from the Armenian televote. Armenia also has no laws against homosexuality like Russia does. Five people don't make up a whole, and there are many progressive-minded young Armenians who are in favor of deeper cultural and political ties with the West.
That was Russia and Ukraine, not us. Please don't mix things up. Conchita got 10 points from the Armenian televote. Armenia also has no laws against homosexuality like Russia does. Five people don't make up a whole, and there are many progressive-minded young Armenians who are in favor of deeper cultural and political ties with the West.
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That's because the fall of the Berlin Wall doesn't have the same significance as uprooting an entire nation from their homeland and blatantly lying about it for over a century. People like you don't let people like me move on because your ignorance and unapologeticly aggressive attitude makes me remember how important it is not to ignore the past.
That was what i was try to say but offcourse i would be misunderstood 'cause i'm the daughter of Enver Pasha
It was the 25th anniversary of destruction of the Berlin Wall last year, why Germany didn't make a song about it? Maybe because Eurovision is not a place for politics?
That's because the fall of the Berlin Wall doesn't have the same significance as uprooting an entire nation from their homeland and blatantly lying about it for over a century. People like you don't let people like me move on because your ignorance and unapologeticly aggressive attitude makes me remember how important it is not to ignore the past.
Haverdge
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By the way, where were you in 2012 when Azerbaijan was making their hosting out to be a political circus? If you survived 2012, I'm sure you'll survive the 3 minutes it takes to get through the song.
That was what i was try to say but offcourse i would be misunderstood 'cause i'm the daughter of Enver Pasha
It was the 25th anniversary of destruction of the Berlin Wall last year, why Germany didn't make a song about it? Maybe because Eurovision is not a place for politics?
By the way, where were you in 2012 when Azerbaijan was making their hosting out to be a political circus? If you survived 2012, I'm sure you'll survive the 3 minutes it takes to get through the song.
Sabiondo
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https://www.change.org/p/european-b...isqualify-armenia-and-france-from-the-contest
The stupidity goes beyond..
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https://www.change.org/p/european-b...isqualify-armenia-and-france-from-the-contest
The stupidity goes beyond..
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