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Haverdge

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Malta's last year entry commemorated the Centenary of First World War and the song was dedicated to those who never came back home... it seems that nobody cared about the political content in it, nor EBU neither Azerbaijan...Why now?

Because certain countries are very, very sensitive and do not react well towards any sort of criticism. Therefore, thy have decided to trash the song without hearing and do everything in their power to stop you from hearing it, too. If not, they will change the subject or try to one-up you. Welcome to the Turkic attitude on all things related to Armenia.
 

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Eurovision is still not a platform for such things. Loreen was close to getting disqaulified once for almost expressing her opinion about something that had to do with the politic in Azerbaijan or something. How was that a political thing for Finland? Two girls kissing? That is called human rights and kind of suited the wedding theme. Just because Turkey did it once (?) does not mean everybody should. The thing of Eurovision is to gather Europe (and .. Australia) and to be quite honest the whole genocide theme is just going to feel very strange to everybody who does not really have an opinon about it, and for those who do, will think it's strange that it's even a song.

Two girls kissing is a human right but talking about annihilating an entire race and nearly getting away with it is forbidden? Is it just me or am I missing the twisted logic in the arguments that allow LGBT themes into Eurovision but keep everything else out?
 

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Two girls kissing is a human right but talking about annihilating an entire race and nearly getting away with it is forbidden? Is it just me or am I missing the twisted logic in the arguments that allow LGBT themes into Eurovision but keep everything else out?

Promoting the basic rights of present-day individuals is in no way comparable to trying to create a shitstorm over an event that occurred 100 years in a song contest. LGBT theme is justified, because present-day individuals are directly affected by this issue.
 

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Every year Armenia is in for the drama. It's so tiring.

Please get a song from a Swedish songwriter and take it like a song contest!

(And get a jury that shows some respect and integrity to the other artists and the viewers)
 

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Because certain countries are very, very sensitive and do not react well towards any sort of criticism.

You're the last one to talk about freedom of speech given the fact that your government and diaspora are trying so hard to have people jailed for speaking up against your claims in European countries.

Welcome to the Turkic attitude on all things related to Armenia.

Turkey gave a lot of points to Armenia at Eurovision while Armenia hardly ever did. We don't have complexes.
 

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Hey oh you are aware that the theme of the song is peace , unity and tolerance ? not hate!

you talk but you do not even know the song ... so STOP with your hate fantasy ... !!!

If the song does not respect the rule will be changed !!! and turkey therefore not taking part its opinion .......... no thank you ....

and in Azerbaijan already had a fine of Eurovision for cheating ( hidden the numbers of Inga and Anush and convening of Azeri residents to be explained " why they voted for Armenia "

so no lessons from Azerbaijan ! thank you
 

Haverdge

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Promoting the basic rights of present-day individuals is in no way comparable to trying to create a shitstorm over an event that occurred 100 years in a song contest. LGBT theme is justified, because present-day individuals are directly affected by this issue.

The genocide is still applicable and relevant to this day. Turkey's attitude towards all Armenians and the aggressive defense of your ignorance is indicative of that.
 

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Two girls kissing is a human right but talking about annihilating an entire race and nearly getting away with it is forbidden? Is it just me or am I missing the twisted logic in the arguments that allow LGBT themes into Eurovision but keep everything else out?

speaking of that kiss.. tatu got told they would get disqualified if they kissed... but krista was ok.... lol
 

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

speaking of that kiss.. tatu got told they would get disqualified if they kissed... but krista was ok.... lol

t.A.T.U xheart they should've won. Saying this as a Turk.
 

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t.A.T.U xheart they should've won. Saying this as a Turk.

how an you lie like that? this is the true winner:

 

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

If just the title is getting this reaction, it was a good decision. Everyone who wants a conflict will shit their pants early and look bad when the song is released, because of course it won't go so far as to break any rules. :lol:
 

Haverdge

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If just the title is getting this reaction, it was a good decision. Everyone who wants a conflict will shit their pants early and look bad when the song is released, because of course it won't go so far as to break any rules. :lol:

The HoD said that the lyrics are being written in exact accordance to the rules so there is no way it can get disqualified.
 

FilipFromSweden

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

I take it you've heard the song multiple times already? It sounds like it. We're already going to disqualify something that hasn't been heard?

You do realize it hasn't even been recorded yet.

This is not about how the song sounds, it's about the fact it was picked to remember and focus on the genocide again.

Two girls kissing is a human right but talking about annihilating an entire race and nearly getting away with it is forbidden? Is it just me or am I missing the twisted logic in the arguments that allow LGBT themes into Eurovision but keep everything else out?

Two girls kissing (and two boys) is a human right and in fact Eurovision would not be the same without the gay community. Genocide happened 100 years ago, it's not something that is current, it's just something Armenia wants to bring up to get attention. Two people kissing, no matter of gender, is not a political question (unless you live in some narrow-minded country) but the Genocide actually is. Having two people that love each other going up on stage and kissing and showing that they are happy is not really political, but making a song about Genocide and how much Armenia had to suffer and how bad it was by x to do this etc kind of is.

Promoting the basic rights of present-day individuals is in no way comparable to trying to create a shitstorm over an event that occurred 100 years in a song contest. LGBT theme is justified, because present-day individuals are directly affected by this issue.

Thank you!!!
 

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Having two people that love each other going up on stage and kissing and showing that they are happy is not really political

It was not a random kiss what Krista did. It was a political statement. Don't deny!
 

Haverdge

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This is not about how the song sounds, it's about the fact it was picked to remember and focus on the genocide again.

Eurovision has had many political songs before. What makes you put your foot down on this and not the other ones?

Two girls kissing (and two boys) is a human right and in fact Eurovision would not be the same without the gay community. Genocide happened 100 years ago, it's not something that is current, it's just something Armenia wants to bring up to get attention. Two people kissing, no matter of gender, is not a political question (unless you live in some narrow-minded country) but the Genocide actually is. Having two people that love each other going up on stage and kissing and showing that they are happy is not really political, but making a song about Genocide and how much Armenia had to suffer and how bad it was by x to do this etc kind of is.

Just as there is nothing political about saying that homosexuals exist in society and have feelings, there is nothing political about a well-documented event that one particular country simply refuses to acknowledge. People have a right to express themselves and offer parts of their identity to the greater Eurovision community. Take the core of your argument and reverse it. Many in Russia refuse to acknowledge that being gay is even a choice, and therefore, they don't acknowledge that those things are universal rights and deem your activities "political". Some form or another of contestation now exists within the larger Eurovision family. Despite the fact that you may not see it in this way, many others already do. Would it be right of Russia to try and stop someone like Conchita from performing because they may see it as controversial? I don't understand how any of you don't see the hypocrisy in permitting contested and "political" performances like Rise Like a Phoenix or Marry Me, despite claiming to "uphold the no-politics rule of Eurovision", while putting your foot down on this one for the same exact circumstances.

At least with Archer I can understand-- he has the "glory" of his holy and infallible nation at stake and is trying to take this down as much as he can, but with the rest of you, I am shocked by the hypocrisy. Honestly, I would respect you more if you outright said that you have an overt double standard and permit one group while condemning the other.

Also, Eurovision is not synonymous with the gay community. Yes, a significant part of the viewership is gay, but they are only one part. One does not need to be gay to watch or like Eurovision so using that as an excuse to justify a blatant double standard is not a good enough one.
 

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Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

There is nothing wrong in "remembering" an event. If one of the aims of ESC is to represent a country, then Armenia has the right to do it BUT: it has NOT the right to make it political. No accusations allowed, no fingers pointed at anyone. If Azerbaijan feels offended, then the best way to react is IGNORE. They'll never learn, still so much hate going on.

Sorry to say it, but I find all this chat about "LGBT right vs. Armenian genocide" completely illogical. Stop making it a war between East and West Europe. It's not something we can discuss, these things exist and can NOT be changed, so learn to ACCEPT them because HUMANITY CAN NEVER GO BACK. Learn from the past and try to make the future as simple as possible... what would you want to do if you're not right with one thing or another?

Drop bombs???

NO, thank you.
 
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