Armenia ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Face The Shadows

[Scooby]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

But Eurovision is not a place where you can talk about all these things or shouldn't be at least.

Sorry, but if Conchita can sing about LGBT right than why Armenians (or any other nation) can not sing about other type of human rights?

 

[Sean]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Sorry, but if Conchita can sing about LGBT right than why Armenians (or any other nation) can not sing about other type of human rights?

Since when did she sing about LGBT rights?

 

[Scooby]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Since when did she sing about LGBT rights?

You are native English speaker. Read the lyrics for a couple of times

 

[Sean]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

You are native English speaker. Read the lyrics for a couple of times

Yeah and it doesn't mention LGBT. It could be inferred that that's the meaning but it's not as straightforward as 'Don't Deny'.

Shine last year had much more loaded lyrics.

 

[Scooby]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Yeah and it doesn't mention LGBT. It could be inferred that that's the meaning but it's not as straightforward as 'Don't Deny'.

Not directly, but indirectly?

 

[Sean]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Not directly, but indirectly?

So how can you compare that to a song which in the title directly calls out the major political issue of Armenia's history?

 

[Nikkita]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Yeah and it doesn't mention LGBT. It could be inferred that that's the meaning but it's not as straightforward as 'Don't Deny'.

Shine last year had much more loaded lyrics.

Rise Like a Phoenix is not a LGBT song, it's a song for all people surviving the difficulties in their lives.

I'm honestly bored of seeing nationalism in a song contest. What do they want? The government of Turkey saying ''oh we're sorry'' ? They are too busy to get rid of their opponants right now. Wait until this country kills all it's youngsters.

 

[escandesc]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Sorry, but if Conchita can sing about LGBT right than why Armenians (or any other nation) can not sing about other type of human rights?

I don't find it a wise move to sing a song about a political issue that has a long history and hasn't been resolved for years. They have the right to talk about it anywhere but not on the Eurovision stage. That's what I'm saying.

 

[Haverdge]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

I don't find it a wise move to sing a song about a political issue that has a long history and hasn't been resolved for years. They have the right to talk about it anywhere but not on the Eurovision stage. That's what I'm saying.

Countries have used Eurovision to convey subtle messages since the very beginning. Armenia is not the first and won't be the last, so please don't put your foot down now after all of these years. Also, we haven't even heard the song yet so let's hold off on making a statement without hearing the words.

 

[escandesc]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Countries have used Eurovision to convey subtle messages since the very beginning. Armenia is not the first and won't be the last, so please don't put your foot down now after all of these years. Also, we haven't even heard the song yet so let's hold off on making a statement without hearing the words.

The title of the song says it all, but yeah, let's wait for the lyrics.

 

[ParadiseES]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Too bad there isn't a penguin with Armenian heritage in Antarctica so we'd have all continents

Seriously though, I think this is a bad idea. This smells Switzerland 2006 all the way and even if I liked that song, it clearly doesn't work. You can't pretend to create a completely new band with people from all around the world and expect they will fit good together in just a couple of month in order to succeed in a contest. No.

About the title, "Don't deny". What's the problem? I don't think the lyrics will be explicit, but anyway that's not politics, that's history, something that actually happened. There wasn't any problem with the Israeli song in 2009, there wouldn't be any problem if some country sent a song to pay tribute to the victims of the terrorist attacks in New York, Madrid, London or Paris. Nobody would see politics on it. The fact that Armenia has a neighbour which doesn't recognize the facts doesn't transform the Armenian genocie in a political thing.

 

[Brandt]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

that's history, something that actually happened.

There are still intransigences about that.

 

[DoctorX]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Sorry, but if Conchita can sing about LGBT right than why Armenians (or any other nation) can not sing about other type of human rights?

Even though if it were a LGBT song -which i believe is not- the comparison still would be invalid since it would have had a universal message unlike the armenian entry is likely to be super personal and at the same time targeting a certain country which in my opinion is better to compare with the georgian entry 'we dont want to put-in' didnt even make it to the stage. It is not a question of either they can do it or not. of course they can. but would have been a nicer move to at least keep it away from ESC since the relations are about to get bits better.

 

[armenie]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

the message of the song is PEACE, TOLERANCE AND UNIT !!!!! This is not a message of hate !!!

and it is crazy to think that turkey because it does not participate in Eurovision !!!

6 singers where is the problem ? it is as if there was one singer with 5 choristers !!! do not compare Armenia and Switzerland ... and wait for the song before criticizing

 

[armenie]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

the message of the song is PEACE, TOLERANCE AND UNIT !!!!! This is not a message of hate !!!

and it is crazy to think that turkey because it does not participate in Eurovision !!!

6 singers where is the problem ? it is as if there was one singer with 5 choristers !!! do not compare Armenia and Switzerland ... and wait for the song before criticizing

 

[blue00eyes]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

We are not criticising Armenia for picking 6 artists to perform together. This very interesting choice but we are worried that all of them will fight on the stage who is better, who shines the most. Sometimes people ruin the song because they don't sing together.

 

[VikingTiger]

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the message of the song is PEACE, TOLERANCE AND UNIT !!!!!

Yeah... that is my biggest fear. Normally the lyrics of songs about peace and tolerance are utterly embarrasing. I really do NOT want a cheesy song with embarassing lyrics ending in a climax with all the singers holding hands while trying to squeeze a couple of tears out of the corner of their eyes...

But I will not judge in advance. I will follow your advice and patiently wait for the song... keeping my xcrossed ...

 

[Leydan]

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Yeah... that is my biggest fear. Normally the lyrics of songs about peace and tolerance are utterly embarrasing. I really do NOT want a cheesy song with embarassing lyrics ending in a climax with all the singers holding hands while trying to squeeze a couple of tears out of the corner of their eyes...

But I will not judge in advance. I will follow your advice and patiently wait for the song... keeping my xcrossed ...

you mean this cracking masterpiece?

 

[VikingTiger]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

you mean this cracking masterpiece?

That is a VERY good example, yes. And I guess the swiss found the handholding a bit too cheesy as well; so they though; "Hey, why dont we all lift one hand up towards the sky at the end in stead - THAT should work!!!"

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[ParadiseES]

Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny

Remember, this thread is to discuss Armenia's participation this year in the Eurovision Song Contest.

We will not allow:

- Political discussions (Armenian genocide and its recognition -or not recognition- is a very interesting topic, but please, discuss it on the appropriate place, which is here -> http://www.escunited.com/t11815-6/#post1385353 ).

- Racist/xenophobic statements and insults to any country.

Finally, just a little advice for everyone after some really cheap behaviours in the last days/weeks: YOUR NATION IS NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. GET OVER IT AND LOOK BEYOND YOUR OWN FEET.