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Armenia is as subtle as ever. Although if N'Oubliez Pas is allowed then I'm sure Don't Deny will be too. The Genocide shouldn't be denied and this is a great opportunity to raise awareness of it, though I'm still unsure if this is the proper forum in which to do so
Armenia is as subtle as ever. Although if N'Oubliez Pas is allowed then I'm sure Don't Deny will be too. The Genocide shouldn't be denied and this is a great opportunity to raise awareness of it, though I'm still unsure if this is the proper forum in which to do so
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That's exactly what it's for, and I guess the fact that the usual suspects are fuming means that it's doings its job. Eurovision always has been and always will be a political contest. It's the only few minutes of uninterrupted, frank, straightforward facetime and it's the only way for everyone to see each other. To me, Boom Boom was more shameful than this is. At least this has a meaningful message. I hope it isn't bad, but I have extremely low expectations.
That's exactly what it's for, and I guess the fact that the usual suspects are fuming means that it's doings its job. Eurovision always has been and always will be a political contest. It's the only few minutes of uninterrupted, frank, straightforward facetime and it's the only way for everyone to see each other. To me, Boom Boom was more shameful than this is. At least this has a meaningful message. I hope it isn't bad, but I have extremely low expectations.
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In fact, N'oubliez pas has no allusion to anything. Lyrics just deal with any war. It's just the stupid broadcaster who was happy to tell about 1st W.W. commemoration to explain why she chose by herself this ballad... Which was quite stupid, as the contest is in Austria...
In fact, N'oubliez pas has no allusion to anything. Lyrics just deal with any war. It's just the stupid broadcaster who was happy to tell about 1st W.W. commemoration to explain why she chose by herself this ballad... Which was quite stupid, as the contest is in Austria...
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Well, Austria could have sung last year about the shooting of their throne heir in 1914 by a Serb nationalist too, which led to WW1 and ultimately to their collapse, or Israel could sing about the Holocaust and the nasty Germans.
Why not let every country sing about their deepest scar? Maybe Spain should bring a song called "Gibraltar", wouldn't that be jolly? And Ireland about their war with England, the Swedes about theirs with Denmark and so on and so forth.
But that would all go against the spirit of Eurovision, since the Song Contest is conceived to bring Europe together and not apart. Teaching Turkey in their absence is not a smart move.
Well, Austria could have sung last year about the shooting of their throne heir in 1914 by a Serb nationalist too, which led to WW1 and ultimately to their collapse, or Israel could sing about the Holocaust and the nasty Germans.
Why not let every country sing about their deepest scar? Maybe Spain should bring a song called "Gibraltar", wouldn't that be jolly? And Ireland about their war with England, the Swedes about theirs with Denmark and so on and so forth.
But that would all go against the spirit of Eurovision, since the Song Contest is conceived to bring Europe together and not apart. Teaching Turkey in their absence is not a smart move.
Sabiondo
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Or even the Ukrainians can song called ''Moja Krym'' about the russian ocupation, if they comeback the next year
Or even the Ukrainians can song called ''Moja Krym'' about the russian ocupation, if they comeback the next year
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Not that I care if it might be any offensive for anyone in my country, I just don't think it is a smart move to insist to deliver and expect people to get such a strong message from a 3 min long song in an annual entertainment show. I mean i totally get how pleasing and satisfying it might be to watch it for extremist nationalists whom I believe actually suffered from it somehow but in the end its totally not professional and might seem as ridiculous as a prospective Turkish entry titled something like 'Don't listen to them' or just simply 'Shut Up'. Eurovision Song Contest sure is a huge event and it is kind of a big deal to have a word from your country which to be seen live by millions of people but in the end the message is less likely to be taken just like one doesn't (want to) think about Jewish genocide while watching The Voice UK/Germany whatsoever.
and please correct me if i'm wrong or forgive me for my early comment but are we even sure if it is gonna be related to the genocide or is it just another ballad simply cannot be interpreted to different meanings?
Not that I care if it might be any offensive for anyone in my country, I just don't think it is a smart move to insist to deliver and expect people to get such a strong message from a 3 min long song in an annual entertainment show. I mean i totally get how pleasing and satisfying it might be to watch it for extremist nationalists whom I believe actually suffered from it somehow but in the end its totally not professional and might seem as ridiculous as a prospective Turkish entry titled something like 'Don't listen to them' or just simply 'Shut Up'. Eurovision Song Contest sure is a huge event and it is kind of a big deal to have a word from your country which to be seen live by millions of people but in the end the message is less likely to be taken just like one doesn't (want to) think about Jewish genocide while watching The Voice UK/Germany whatsoever.
and please correct me if i'm wrong or forgive me for my early comment but are we even sure if it is gonna be related to the genocide or is it just another ballad simply cannot be interpreted to different meanings?
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He's talking about the fact that every ESC nation had tragedies in their past and if we all compain about it...so much joy, huh?
So no, i do not agree with the theme of the armenian song as well. In words of a great maltese wisdom "NEVER LOOK BACK THE PAST IS THE PAST".
He's talking about the fact that every ESC nation had tragedies in their past and if we all compain about it...so much joy, huh?
So no, i do not agree with the theme of the armenian song as well. In words of a great maltese wisdom "NEVER LOOK BACK THE PAST IS THE PAST".
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About Armenia being controversial and confrontational and I am not an advocate for Turkey.
About Armenia being controversial and confrontational and I am not an advocate for Turkey.
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I hope Ukraine is smart enough to keep Crimea out of Eurovision. Russia's "Shine" already sounded borderline allusive to the ongoing war.
It's tough enough that Armenia and Azerbaijan try to drag each other down every year. It seems like some nations have yet to grow up.
Or even the Ukrainians can song called ''Moja Krym'' about the russian ocupation, if they comeback the next year
I hope Ukraine is smart enough to keep Crimea out of Eurovision. Russia's "Shine" already sounded borderline allusive to the ongoing war.
It's tough enough that Armenia and Azerbaijan try to drag each other down every year. It seems like some nations have yet to grow up.
anto475
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Well in fairness this isn't the first time I mean Chai ( 1983) was about the Holocaust, then there's the obvious Waterloo ( 1974), Panagia Mou, Panagia Mou ( 1976)....
Well in fairness this isn't the first time I mean Chai (
1983) was about the Holocaust, then there's the obvious Waterloo ( 1974), Panagia Mou, Panagia Mou ( 1976)....
Re: ARMENIA 2015 - Genealogy - Don't Deny
the song is about peace and unity! the song is a song of peace not hate !!!! It will be a beautiful message! it is forbidden to talk about politics, so Armenia is not stupid and will not speak of genocide !!!!
remember the song in 2009 Israeli Noa and Mira Awad (Israeli and Arabic) it was beautiful and no hatred! armenia will do the same message of peace!
the song is about peace and unity! the song is a song of peace not hate !!!! It will be a beautiful message! it is forbidden to talk about politics, so Armenia is not stupid and will not speak of genocide !!!!
remember the song in 2009 Israeli Noa and Mira Awad (Israeli and Arabic) it was beautiful and no hatred! armenia will do the same message of peace!
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I'm sorry but I don't think any of those can be compared to the genocide and the political ramifications the events of 1915 have to this day.
None of the examples you have listed are agitated by their original perpetrators and carry nowhere near the amount of baggage people who have suffered from the genocide does. The Jews got their closure with the Germans. They have no right to sing disparagingly of the German people today because the German people of today disavowed their past and condemned it. Sweden and Denmark get along just fine with one another despite their past because both of them took active steps to get along with one another. WWI-era nationalism is no longer an issue nowadays because many countries got their fair shares.
On the other hand, the government of Turkey not only continues to educate its citizens and children of the "lying and treacherous" Armenians, but continues to use its embassies as lobbying groups to put pressure on foreign governments and academic institutions to deliberately omit, undermine and dismiss any and all suffering that the Republic of Turkey was built off of, including that of the Armenians and Greeks. Not only that, but Turkey continues to play a role in the physical and economic destruction of Armenia by closing its border and helping arm Azerbaijan. Armenian heritage sites have turned into silos for storing horse shit; centuries-old churches are used as storage, converted to mosques, or allowed to crumble and decay completely; homes and treasures have been confiscated and have never been returned to their owners; people have been removed from their homes and the ones who have remained have been forced to convert to Islam and live as Kurds; Armenian contributions to Turkey and the Ottoman Empire have been completely forgotten and xenophobia towards Armenians and Greeks is apart of the everyday norm in Turkey. Not only that, but virtually none of the examples you've provided involve a total uprooting of an entire people from their native homeland-- AND to top it all off, Turkey still makes a mockery out of this, as you can find a number of Turks singing and dancing in sheer euphoria in front of their embassies on Genocide Remembrance Day. Most Turks today defend their ancestors actions. Imagine the disgust if a German said "we had to get rid of all of the Jews for national security purposes"-- well, that's what most Turks say today, despite the fact that a growing number of them are waking up and realizing the truth.
If you don't see the difference between that and the examples you've listed, and why the Armenians are having such a hard time letting go of the past, then I suggest you pay more attention to what's going on and why certain people are having salt poured into their wounds every day.
I'm sorry but I don't think any of those can be compared to the genocide and the political ramifications the events of 1915 have to this day.
None of the examples you have listed are agitated by their original perpetrators and carry nowhere near the amount of baggage people who have suffered from the genocide does. The Jews got their closure with the Germans. They have no right to sing disparagingly of the German people today because the German people of today disavowed their past and condemned it. Sweden and Denmark get along just fine with one another despite their past because both of them took active steps to get along with one another. WWI-era nationalism is no longer an issue nowadays because many countries got their fair shares.
On the other hand, the government of Turkey not only continues to educate its citizens and children of the "lying and treacherous" Armenians, but continues to use its embassies as lobbying groups to put pressure on foreign governments and academic institutions to deliberately omit, undermine and dismiss any and all suffering that the Republic of Turkey was built off of, including that of the Armenians and Greeks. Not only that, but Turkey continues to play a role in the physical and economic destruction of Armenia by closing its border and helping arm Azerbaijan. Armenian heritage sites have turned into silos for storing horse shit; centuries-old churches are used as storage, converted to mosques, or allowed to crumble and decay completely; homes and treasures have been confiscated and have never been returned to their owners; people have been removed from their homes and the ones who have remained have been forced to convert to Islam and live as Kurds; Armenian contributions to Turkey and the Ottoman Empire have been completely forgotten and xenophobia towards Armenians and Greeks is apart of the everyday norm in Turkey. Not only that, but virtually none of the examples you've provided involve a total uprooting of an entire people from their native homeland-- AND to top it all off, Turkey still makes a mockery out of this, as you can find a number of Turks singing and dancing in sheer euphoria in front of their embassies on Genocide Remembrance Day. Most Turks today defend their ancestors actions. Imagine the disgust if a German said "we had to get rid of all of the Jews for national security purposes"-- well, that's what most Turks say today, despite the fact that a growing number of them are waking up and realizing the truth.
If you don't see the difference between that and the examples you've listed, and why the Armenians are having such a hard time letting go of the past, then I suggest you pay more attention to what's going on and why certain people are having salt poured into their wounds every day.
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Also, I'll have you know that the main reason why there are so many Armenians scattered throughout the world is because of the Ottoman Empire. Therefore, no matter where you are in the world, if you are Armenian, it's highly likely that you got there because of the Ottoman Empire's decision that you and your entire family needed to be wiped out. This is why there is significance in getting Armenians from all over the world to participate. This is an issue that is very much relevant to this day. You can't uproot an entire people from their homeland and expect their ancestors to forgive and forget while continuously mocking all of the pain and suffering you've done unto them.
Also, I'll have you know that the main reason why there are so many Armenians scattered throughout the world is because of the Ottoman Empire. Therefore, no matter where you are in the world, if you are Armenian, it's highly likely that you got there because of the Ottoman Empire's decision that you and your entire family needed to be wiped out. This is why there is significance in getting Armenians from all over the world to participate. This is an issue that is very much relevant to this day. You can't uproot an entire people from their homeland and expect their ancestors to forgive and forget while continuously mocking all of the pain and suffering you've done unto them.
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Waterloo? It's a sweet love song where love is compared to a battle field where one loses and has to surrender.
Well in fairness this isn't the first time I mean Chai (
Waterloo? It's a sweet love song where love is compared to a battle field where one loses and has to surrender.
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But Eurovision is not a place where you can talk about all these things or shouldn't be at least.
But Eurovision is not a place where you can talk about all these things or shouldn't be at least.