Who will be the big west-european flop of 2010?

[94ayd]

Ireland could easily pull a Israel 2009 (Top 10 for Juries, last place for televoters )

I find a Patricia Kass scenario more possible (top 5 - juries; bottom 10 - televoters).

 

[Canuck]

Ireland could easily pull a Israel 2009 (Top 10 for Juries, last place for televoters )

I find a Patricia Kass scenario more possible (top 5 - juries; bottom 10 - televoters).

I agree. Niamh is in the same boat as Patricia as well. Well known (in the ESC world for her), but the song might not stand out enough for some people, like Kaas' entry. Too bad for her, though... I really like the song.

 

[Matt]

Ireland could easily pull a Israel 2009 (Top 10 for Juries, last place for televoters )

My thoughts exactly. I think the jury will definitely protect Niamh Kavanagh, since she happens to be a former winner of ESC. To tell you the truth I don't understand what's Niamh doing in the ESC in the first place.

They are not "protecting" anyone. It's about the music, not the singer.

 

[LadyKiller]

Ireland could easily pull a Israel 2009 (Top 10 for Juries, last place for televoters )

My thoughts exactly. I think the jury will definitely protect Niamh Kavanagh, since she happens to be a former winner of ESC. To tell you the truth I don't understand what's Niamh doing in the ESC in the first place.

They are not "protecting" anyone. It's about the music, not the singer.

But Niamh's song is weak. It's nowhere near "In your eyes" and besides things have changed a lot since 1993. I could understand your point of view if the irish entry was a strong one. Then it would definitely be about the music. Do you really believe that if the irish entry will be passed to the final by the jury, it will be because "It's for You" is a good song?

 

[94ayd]

Well, I've placed in 4th in my ranking, so it's not good, I agree, it's GREAT.

 

[LadyKiller]

Well, I've placed in 4th in my ranking, so it's not good, I agree, it's GREAT.

Well, de gustibus...

I still think that the song is not as good as it had to be for this particular singer.

Anyway, it was nice disagreeing with both you and Matt in the end!

 

[aletem]

Well, I've placed in 4th in my ranking, so it's not good, I agree, it's GREAT.

Then you won't agree with my panel comments! :twisted:

 

[94ayd]

It's probably weaker than In Your Eyes based on music/performance but Niamh is now an older person, so it shows in her style maybe?! I don't really compare them and that's why I'm happy. After all, ESC was the stongest in the 90s, IMO.

 

[ParadiseES]

I think it will be Denmark. I am pretty sure actually.

I am pretty sure too and I hope for this to flop cause I still don't get why that cheesie and dated song is so popular :|
I can easily see Iceland flopping as well and France.....I don't think that would be a flop, cause do you really think that France could do well this year?

I think Germany, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Norway and Ireland will do well, not to win but at least to achieve a top-10 or top-15

 

[Borderline]

Denmark

 

[FallenAngelII]

2009: Finland (passed through jury and failed in final)

Umm... this wasn't a favourite at all. Maybe among the fans here on ESCForum, but no odds makers or Eurovision experts were hyping it at all.

This year's flop will most probably be Sweden or Denmark (or both). Sweden's entry stands no chance of getting points from the Eastern block and Denmark's entry may be "too" nostalgic for its own good, sounding too "80's".

I think the other hyped entries will fare at least fairly well in the contest.

Ireland won't do well because of how many ballads are competing: I think that the Eastern Countries will ignore her entry because of this.

And because the song is interminably boring.

Ireland could easily pull a Israel 2009 (Top 10 for Juries, last place for televoters )

My thoughts exactly. I think the jury will definitely protect Niamh Kavanagh, since she happens to be a former winner of ESC. To tell you the truth I don't understand what's Niamh doing in the ESC in the first place.

If they do, they won't be doing their jobs. Who cares who it is that's singing? What's important is the performance and song themselves. Niamh's entry is utterly forgettable and most of 2010's viewers won't even know she's a former winner unless told beforehand.

 

[pavarotti]

I find the Ireland entry cliched, hackneyed Eurovision fodder. Not remotely stand out, just extremely dull. This sort of song simply does not deserve to be anywhere near the top 10, but the juries will no doubt love it. Ditto Georgia.
Coming from the UK I am happy to admit the Irish entry is still 100 times better than the UK's. I can only apologise that we have put this forward as our entry. It deserves nil point.
To end on a positive note, Lena's Satellite is a wonderful pop tune, she has great charisma, and as something very different from the usual ESC fare, I really hope Germany wins.

 

[Sway]

Though I think the UK entry is more 80's than Denmark... I actually don't hear anything 80's in the Danish entry... it just sounds like pure Scandinavian pop music...

United Kingdom sounds like Kids in America... like, for real

 

[FallenAngelII]

Though I think the UK entry is more 80's than Denmark... I actually don't hear anything 80's in the Danish entry... it just sounds like pure Scandinavian pop music...

United Kingdom sounds like Kids in America... like, for real

80's Scandinavian pop!

 

[wittgenstein]

i hope denmark....
sorry guys.

 

[rakijovic]

I for one am having a hard time answering the initial question because of the archaic geopolitical label "Western European". Surely more than twenty years after the political changes throughout Europe we should be able to use proper terminology, such as Western, Central and Eastern European.

So, tell me; what do we mean by Western European?

 

[Sway]

Though I think the UK entry is more 80's than Denmark... I actually don't hear anything 80's in the Danish entry... it just sounds like pure Scandinavian pop music...

United Kingdom sounds like Kids in America... like, for real

80's Scandinavian pop!

Do you think it sounds like Bobbysocks or Herreys songs?

Seriously, I can't hear the 80s in In a moment like this, I really can't...

 

[Sway]

I for one am having a hard time answering the initial question because of the archaic geopolitical label "Western European". Surely more than twenty years after the political changes throughout Europe we should be able to use proper terminology, such as Western, Central and Eastern European.

So, tell me; what do we mean by Western European?

The yellow countries are Western Europe...

 

[rakijovic]

Mmmm....nah, sorry, mate; I'm afraid that's the old pre-1989 geopolitical division and thus obsolete. Why else would Finland be considered Western Europe when in fact they've run on East European time since yonks ago?

Similarly, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic (to name a few) are really Central European countries. They've never been part of geographical Eastern Europe, only the geopolitical ditto.

I suggest you all lump and dump the obsolete geopolitical division, and if in doubt as to where a country is located, look at its time zone; is it Western, Central or East European time (WET, CET and EET) respectively. Needless to say, some of the Balkan Slavic countries are really South European (there's a reason behind the name Jugoslavija; land of the South Slavs).

 

[broomhelga]

Mmmm....nah, sorry, mate; I'm afraid that's the old pre-1989 geopolitical division and thus obsolete. Why else would Finland be considered Western Europe when in fact they've run on East European time since yonks ago?

Similarly, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic (to name a few) are really Central European countries. They've never been part of geographical Eastern Europe, only the geopolitical ditto.

I suggest you all lump and dump the obsolete geopolitical division, and if in doubt as to where a country is located, look at its time zone; is it Western, Central or East European time (WET, CET and EET) respectively. Needless to say, some of the Balkan Slavic countries are really South European (there's a reason behind the name Jugoslavija; land of the South Slavs).

Are you Eastern European?