Yeh Graham Norton has done it since 2009, i think. Before it was... Terry Wogan.NONO
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Yeh Graham Norton has done it since 2009, i think. Before it was... Terry Wogan.NONO
LalehForWD
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yes Terry Wogan, used to be superfun and then turned bitter-angry and old, right? Responsible for all ESC myths repeated over and over again in British commentaries.
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I thought the previous mentioned ESC figures and the above figures were interesting as a comparison to the Graham Norton fees. So, The Voice is £11 million/year in licensing only. Imagine what kind of ESC NFs that could be done with that kind of money.
oh god yes. Frequently saying this like "the eastern bloc starting to throw their weight around" and if a country didn't give its top points to a country it usually does then he say things like "Well that's the end of Moldova" (for example) Hes the reason for why Most brits think we do bad because of the political voting. In all fairness it played a part in our downfall, however it was only a factor of it. We did send unbelievably cheesy and terribly bad songs most years.
We could make the Melodifestivalen Look a Pile of S**t. haha
Germany has something called Bundevision where each state (whatever they're called there) Its basically a mini eurovision. We could do something like that but with each county or each news area. haha (because there is 86 counties in the UK) that would make a drawn out and tense qualification round. We could put that money into something like that.
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The biggest factor is not block voting.
It is indeed that UK songs since 2003 are just awful, or something close to it. There are some exceptions like 2009 and 2005 IMO but thats it.
I said it was only a factor and that we did send "We did send unbelievably cheesy and terribly bad songs most years."
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That's why I said indeed.
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Why? it's a fee that the bbc pay to his production company that has 24 members of staff, the cost to produce his show, to pay for guests, to pay for transport and to pay for studio space. Then he will take a fee to front the show reported to be 300 - 400 thousand which will include his radio show and events now and then like eurovision. His show is also sold in around 20 countries so it is very cheap and makes money for him and the bbc. Eurovision will have nothing to do with this budget, I think he will be under factual entertainment whereas eurovision will be light entertainment.
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I thought people would be interested in our commentator doing well.
Sheesh. :/
Sheesh. :/
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Oh that's ok I just saw a huge attack at him elsewhere talking about Norton taking money away from a UK national final.
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Well people ARE entitled to their opinions... even if mis-informed. It's up to us to educate ill-thought ideas, not attack back.Oh that's ok I just saw a huge attack at him elsewhere talking about Norton taking money away from a UK national final.
The BBC don't help themselves at all with Eurovision, so people are going to clutch at straws on where it's going wrong and where the injustice is and I think as fans in the UK we should all try to stick together.
(this probably comes across a little bit dramatic, but you know...)
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Well people ARE entitled to their opinions... even if mis-informed. It's up to us to educate ill-thought ideas, not attack back.
The BBC don't help themselves at all with Eurovision, so people are going to clutch at straws on where it's going wrong and where the injustice is and I think as fans in the UK we should all try to stick together.
(this probably comes across a little bit dramatic, but you know...)
I agree. Looking at the so called entertainment on the BBC last night their ineptness at it makes the ESC failures become clearer. I wish they would kick out a lot of the old names in the department and have new talent try out programs, then perhaps things like ESC will fall into place as they will understand what entertainment is.
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But the BBC is a massively exclusive gentleman's club. Look at the whole thing with Jimmy Saville, everyone at the BBC clearly knew something wans't right, but they will defend each other without any question, because they're part of this exclusive club.
The BBC is pretty much a dictatorship, with the same people having the say on issues or programming which they have no idea about, and they've been at the BBC for a well overstayed welcome.
They should shuffle staff at least every 5 years or so and I bet that there are staff members who have been in their areas for over 20 years, easily. I'm not even talking about putting people out of their jobs (even though some Eurovision workers clearly deserve it) but just move them on to a different project so different perspectives can voice opinions and formats don't go stale.
The problem with esc in the UK isn't so much that we get **** results, sometimes we do good. It's just that the process is so dull for people who pay their license fee and the value of this contest doesn't seem to be well respected by the people responsible... It's the Olympics of song for crying out loud!
I'd love to see an esc revolution kind of hashtag trending on twitter, and pile some pressure on the bbc. The articles from Metro and Guardian slating the BBC's approach were a great start, but I don't think it was action enough and there needs ot be more of an uproar if we want to see some changes.
The BBC is pretty much a dictatorship, with the same people having the say on issues or programming which they have no idea about, and they've been at the BBC for a well overstayed welcome.
They should shuffle staff at least every 5 years or so and I bet that there are staff members who have been in their areas for over 20 years, easily. I'm not even talking about putting people out of their jobs (even though some Eurovision workers clearly deserve it) but just move them on to a different project so different perspectives can voice opinions and formats don't go stale.
The problem with esc in the UK isn't so much that we get **** results, sometimes we do good. It's just that the process is so dull for people who pay their license fee and the value of this contest doesn't seem to be well respected by the people responsible... It's the Olympics of song for crying out loud!
I'd love to see an esc revolution kind of hashtag trending on twitter, and pile some pressure on the bbc. The articles from Metro and Guardian slating the BBC's approach were a great start, but I don't think it was action enough and there needs ot be more of an uproar if we want to see some changes.
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Outsourcing? It's a great way for a company to concentrate on vital main business, while still be able to deliver quality in the broad scale. It's not a cure for corruption or favoritism though, if there are such problems. Perhaps BBC already applied it? Personally, I'm bit divided as with time the creative dynamic tends to freeze and nothing is really won (only lost).
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I think most people just want to see the team being a bit more reflective and be confident that things are happening to make sure the same mistake isn't constantly being made. The back-door deal thing is so private and out of the public's eye, we don't see who does the organising or which methods are used to select the artist and song. We just get told on the latest day they can possibly hold it in and we're expected to like it or lump it.
If they held opinion polls and open debate forums about our participation they would understand how the UK viewers feel about our own participation. They'd also probably realise that most of what they may already have planned faces huge opposition and that it might not represent the opinion and tastes of the UK. Not that they really care about that...
If they held opinion polls and open debate forums about our participation they would understand how the UK viewers feel about our own participation. They'd also probably realise that most of what they may already have planned faces huge opposition and that it might not represent the opinion and tastes of the UK. Not that they really care about that...
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IMO that's so true!
And ppl constantly blame Azerbaijan and Belarus for lack of transparency in ESC choices.. :?
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Internal selections are not a problem cause those can be really successful. The problem is their "its not important so lets just throw something together cheaply at the last minute and then do nothing else" attitude. They don't take it seriously and the only reason they do anything at all is because for one night they can cheaply get huge ratings.
Put a little effort in the song and show like Jade or Blue and the results will come. I know they funded their own promo tours and the BBC won't do any of that but it won't kill their pocketbook to be a little creative and do a little advertising through the internet or even sending the entry to a few national awards shows where they can reach a wider audience with one performance. With todays technology and stuff there are cheap ways to do effective promo without having to put a mortgage on your house. The first step however is to find better singers and songs and believe it or not they are out there willing to do ESC if the BBC just look for more than a second.
Put a little effort in the song and show like Jade or Blue and the results will come. I know they funded their own promo tours and the BBC won't do any of that but it won't kill their pocketbook to be a little creative and do a little advertising through the internet or even sending the entry to a few national awards shows where they can reach a wider audience with one performance. With todays technology and stuff there are cheap ways to do effective promo without having to put a mortgage on your house. The first step however is to find better singers and songs and believe it or not they are out there willing to do ESC if the BBC just look for more than a second.
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I worry if you look at what the BBC produce as light entertaiment that they are in fact taking it seriously but the department are utterly clueless in terms of the wider world that has moved on. They even **** up proven TV hits they buy in as they're that crap in entertainment. The BBC needs to spend money on someone who knows what they are doing then perhaps the UKs songs and acts will improve.
Whatever the country imo promo tours are a complete waste of time unless you want unknown acts to get used to live audiences.