UNITED KINGDOM 2012 - Engelbert Humperdinck - Love Will Set You Free

[LakZaNokte]

Well Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia all hated each other 20 years ago, but they cant get enough of each other in Eurovision, so who knows?

oh, wow...I could explain all this but it would be very long and too political and...rather not

btw, Blue had a nice song and all but live performance was bad. I have to tell u, just bad. and I think u all know that. so 11th was great for them.

 

[chontono]

Then I´ll throw the stone because I´m free of that. I just vote for the song regardless of the name beneath it.
I don´t think it´s that crazy.If any country can only vote for...just say 3 or 4 neighbours who are to its borders or culturally connected like Greece and Cyprus, the others would have to be from an entirely different range. And yes, Iceland winning is a strong possibility, but only because they have great songs at esc.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

This is like smashing my head against a brick wall made of fire and spikes X-OI

That wouldnt be a brick wall then, that'd be a wall of... fire and spikes!

 

[Sean]

Then I´ll throw the stone because I´m free of that. I just vote for the song regardless of the name beneath it.
I don´t think it´s that crazy.If any country can only vote for...just say 3 or 4 neighbours who are to its borders or culturally connected like Greece and Cyprus, the others would have to be from an entirely different range. And yes, Iceland winning is a strong possibility, but only because they have great songs at esc.

But Iceland having great songs is just your opinion, and a lot of others are unlikely to agree. What you'd be doing by imposing such a rule is severely compromising the Contest part of Eurovision. It's not a fair contest unless you're allowed the freedom of the vote, to vote for whoever you like, including neighbouring countries.

Look, this is what I don't get about all of the people talking about political voting. Tell me honestly; do you really think people in Eastern Europe are sitting at home thinking "I don't like our neighbour's song. But they're our neighbour so I should use some of my own money to vote for them"? I'm pretty sure that people are able to make up their own judgements about whether they like a song or not regardless of the geography of its origin.

Let's face it, we came second to last because the BBC didn't bother as much this year as they did last year. If you believe that they tried just as hard, then I can't take you seriously...

 

[moop]

2002 wasnt in the era of political voting, we were knocked right down in 2003 - we know why - and we have never fully recovered in Eurovision. Since then, with the addition of more bloc countries, it has got worse.
In regards to 2009, yes that was a success (though we should have been ahead of Azerbaijan and Turkey by rights), the bloc voting system enables some non-bloc countries to get up to the top, but it knocks the rest of us down and leaves our entries underrated. I have never said that bloc voting affects the winner, I believe in the end the winner will most likely be the same regardless. But it drastically affects the rest of the board, and even if some are prepared to be blind to the problem, Im not.

you just completly dodged the issue it isent unfair play or a communist conspiracy, its the horrible crappy shitty stinking turds u have gone to competition with. ,James Fox ,Jemini "lol even when they got in tune they stunk up the place" ,Javine Hylton ,Daz Sampson ,Scooch ,Josh Dubovie"holy crap that was a bloody mess" blue. its simple stop sending shite every year.

 

[helloimjosh]

UK is not even trying to win

 

[PoppySnuggleGlass]

Let's face it, we came second to last because the BBC didn't bother as much this year as they did last year. If you believe that they tried just as hard, then I can't take you seriously...

This, and I think the majority of Brits on this forum can agree. I'm getting a bit tired now of posts exclaiming "well you guys do so badly in the contest because you sent crap entries." WE KNOW :?

The Hump wasn't as bad as previous UK entrants, but competition this year was fierce and the standard very high!

 

[moop]

forgiveness? justify the results of yesterday who did poorly in other years if it is unfair to children and q I should withdraw the entire top 5 Switzerland Belgium Netherlands Austria Portugal Ireland and re-create a parallel festival the same day the esc.

justify the results of yesterday...... hmm ok here we go. the winner was by far the best song in the competition russia came in second because they were cute and had a funny song. Switzerland Belgium Netherlands Austria Portugal Ireland were shitty songs that dident deserve a better placement. its as simple as that

 

[moop]

This, and I think the majority of Brits on this forum can agree. I'm getting a bit tired now of posts exclaiming "well you guys do so badly in the contest because you sent crap entries." WE KNOW :?

The Hump wasn't as bad as previous UK entrants, but competition this year was fierce and the standard very high!

tbh if humpadunk would have had a later starting number he would have placed much higher, he was just a casualty of the rushed format and the fact that the song was only heard once.

 

[Yamarus]

Maybe Britain, France and Spain should make our own contest? The European Song Contest - "all music, no politics".

Wow how exciting . I'd rather watch an Eastern Eurovision Song Contest.

 

[bashers]

It's not a fair contest unless you're allowed the freedom of the vote, to vote for whoever you like, including neighbouring countries.

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I have to say, I do 110% agree with you but I do have to say that Azerbaijan residents can't even vote for Armenia when they enter the contest (when they're not scared to that is) so in that country it's not freedom of votes. LOL.

Let's just focus on next year and stop complaining about this year!

 

[Matt]

Maybe Britain, France and Spain should make our own contest? The European Song Contest - "all music, no politics".

C'mon buddy, I figured you'd be upset but don't you think you're taking it a bit too far? At this point you seem to be the only person left to believe that the UK is sending good music. Even Ireland who is your best buddy barely gave you any points, that's how bad the song and the performance in particular was. And making claims such as creating your own contest without politics, that would mean UK and Spain would be allowed to enter considering you have your buddies as well. Maybe not as many but that is beside the point, you're just as guilty and the votes reflect that.

I understand your frustration but just look at this objectively and I truly hope you can see and understand that is is totally unrelated to the UK as a country.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Wow how exciting . I'd rather watch an Eastern Eurovision Song Contest.

You already are watching that =)).

C'mon buddy, I figured you'd be upset but don't you think you're taking it a bit too far? At this point you seem to be the only person left to believe that the UK is sending good music. Even Ireland who is your best buddy barely gave you any points, that's how bad the song and the performance in particular was. And making claims such as creating your own contest without politics, that would mean UK and Spain would be allowed to enter considering you have your buddies as well. Maybe not as many but that is beside the point, you're just as guilty and the votes reflect that.

I understand your frustration but just look at this objectively and I truly hope you can see and understand that is is totally unrelated to the UK as a country.

My views and opinions on the British entries is very much besides the point on this. The problem is that there is so much bloc voting and it is ruining the contest and drastically affecting the results. Some people may excuse it, but my household pays for Eurovision directly through the TV licence and my country pays the most into the EBU. I am not going to sit back, say nothing and let certain countries ***** us over because we dont happen to be their beloved neighbour.

 

[Rusch]

All I can tell is, that in Germany we send entries nobody ever ask us about. Or we had to choose out of songs that were all together not good. That has changed 3 years ago. I was not simply Lena. The Audience selected Lena and the song. What I want to say: The UK people know what would be successful in the contest. Germany had now three top 10 places in a row. Why isn't the BBC asking the people?

I'd liked your song this year, but obviously it failed to attract the people all over Europe (just like Iceland).

 

[Matt]

My views and opinions on the British entries is very much besides the point on this. The problem is that there is so much bloc voting and it is ruining the contest and drastically affecting the results. Some people may excuse it, but my household pays for Eurovision directly through the TV licence and my country pays the most into the EBU. I am not going to sit back, say nothing and let certain countries ***** us over because we dont happen to be their beloved neighbour.

Okay, then let's have a detailed look at this. How do you feel the UK's result is due to friendly diaspora voting?

Nobody is denying diaspora and friendly voting exist but I don't see the connection to the UK's bad results. In 2009 they scored 3rd with juries & 10th with televote. In 2011 they were in 5th place with the televoters. In 2010 and 2012 they flopped big time with songs that were disliked by everyone including your best buddy Ireland. Even if there was no friendly voting the Hump would have flopped regardless.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Okay, then let's have a detailed look at this. How do you feel the UK's result is due to friendly diaspora voting?

Nobody is denying diaspora and friendly voting exist but I don't see the connection to the UK's bad results. In 2009 they scored 3rd with juries & 10th with televote. In 2011 they were in 5th place with the televoters. In 2010 and 2012 they flopped big time with songs that were disliked by everyone including your best buddy Ireland. Even if there was no friendly voting the Hump would have flopped regardless.

Well I think our result, of a mighty twelve points IN TOTAL is hardly something to be worried about when compared to the combined 8+10+12 voting power of the Balkan bloc which equals 210 points in total!
The connection is that better (non-bloc) entries end up being left behind, because the big points all go to neighbours. Only a few non-bloc nations a year get the chance to succeed, surely you also noticed Matt that on the scoreboard last night, the majority of nations on the left were Eastern nations (which tend to be in blocs) and the majority on the right were Westerners (which tend to not be part of a bloc).
You acknowledge that corrupt voting exists (which surely beats some of those on this thread!), but then why dont you support action being taken against it? Surely it'd be good to for once have a Eurovision where you cant read off with almost certainty who'll vote for who, surely it'd be good to have a Eurovision where there isnt this agro and people wanting to withdraw, etc - it generates bad feeling.

I thought the hosting of this year's contest was beyond awful, as I expected it would be 12 months ago. The voting process of the final just condensed everything bad about this year's contest.

 

[rajo]

let's discuss bloc voting in other threads.....of course songs from Denmark, Norway and Iceland would have scored better if it were the songs of FYROM, Bosnia, Ukraine or Greece. The latter also hit rock bottom yesterday but on a higher level cause of some guaranteed points.

still, UK has to come up with better songs... that's a fact. If Germany knows how to do well in Eurovision, why can't UK or France?

 

[Sean]

You have enough evidence in this thread to convince you that neighbourly voting is down to cultural reasons, not political. If you can't accept that then there's no helping you and your superiority complex.

Our 12 points would be 7 if it wasn't for so-called neighbourly voting Face it, we sucked this year.

 

[Quent91]

If Germany knows how to do well in Eurovision, why can't UK or France?

+1...

 

[danuk]

Onwards and upwards