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UNITED KINGDOM 2011 - Blue - I Can

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Mickey

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The thing I wish with the BBC is that they stop focussing on finding a singer on their shows. ESC started out as a songwriters contest. How about announcing which singer/group is going to represent the UK and then call for song writers to write the song. A panel of music execs can narrow the entries to maybe 6, then hand the songs to professional producers to make the most of them, THEN have the public choose the song.

Also...it would be nice if the BBC could start planning early on (or at the very least give us some details of what they are doing). Seeing the advert for So You Think You Can Dance last night brings back memories of last year when nothing happened until that show finished as it had the same producers as Your Country Needs You.

That's exactly the sort of system I'd advocate. Getting someone decent to be the act could be the hard bit, though.

It's all academic, as it's probably too late to organise something like that now.
 

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That's exactly the sort of system I'd advocate. Getting someone decent to be the act could be the hard bit, though.

It's all academic, as it's probably too late to organise something like that now.

I know...there are so many fantastic singers in the UK who would jump at the chance if the BBC asked them (not necessarily recording artists, but also backing singers, west end actors, etc....just anyone with a bit of stage presence who has a proven track record singing live)

The BBC could then do a series of shows hunting for a songwriter and the subsequent production of the written songs. If the youth of Britain saw what goes into writing a great song perhaps they would learn it's not all about finding instant fame by singing.
 

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Someone wrote that the UK send what represents UK and that it's Europe's fault not getting it? Well I have to disagree; UK music scene is defenetly not just has-been generic camp disco or ballads.

UK think they are too good for ESC and therefor doesn't feel the need to send something good, but then expect the results.

It's pretty simple; countries viewing ESC as crap sends crap aswell.

This sums it up well.

In previous years, when entries were decided via public vote, rubbish usually prevailed. It’s important to remember that many of those who vote aren’t necessarily ESC fans, that is to say, (much akin to those on the forum), those who take an active interest in the contest itself as opposed to those who just tune in on the night ‘for the lols.’ Changing British perception of the ESC is going to be an arduous task, as I get the impression that a large proportion (and to some degree, myself) view the contest as a bit of kitsch drabble.

In my household, I was brought up to consider ESC as a comedy event. Indeed, a part of what makes ESC entertaining for me, are the ‘bad’ and OTT entries. It appeals to my immature and somewhat ‘self deprecating’ side. I watch badly dubbed kung fu movies for the same reason; it’s escapism from the polished maturity of high brow cinema. I have to admit, when I watch ESC I don’t want to see a contest full of flawless, ‘chart topping’ hits. I at least want to witness something that appeals to my childish and moronic side (be it Alf Poier, Elnur & Samir, Ich Troje...)

Irrespective of my ‘amusement’ towards the train wreck entries of the past, I would for once, like the UK to enter something that has a fighting chance of winning for a change (although we all secretly hope the ueber manure ones might get lucky). I hated our song in 2009, but I felt that in terms of attitude towards the ESC, it was a positive step forward by both the BBC and the British public. Unfortunately the momentum generated from 2009 was not continued into 2010, but this was mainly due to a dire choice of song writer and execution (poor Josh simply had to ‘make do,’ which is why I never blamed him personally for the UK’s poor placement).

The BBC must receive a few tapes from prospective entries (i.e. independent artists who would kill to be on ESC). I think it’s about time the BBC spent more time planning for future ESC entries, sourcing good entries from an extensive pool of UK talent before the Christmas period. In my opinion its often left too late, resulting in rushed, botched entries (2010).

The public will always get to make the final decision, be it choosing artist, song or both. The only thing is, given a choice between 1) a grown man dressed in a nappie singing baa baa black sheep backwards like a mongoose on helium and 2) Celine Dion (okay, maybe not the best example) the British public could vote for either... :?
 

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You're right. A big problem is the UK's audience perception of what they think Eurovision is (or should be). But BBC is a part of the problem since they buy into that view.

We partly have the same problem here in Sweden, but MF still has status though, but the perception the public has of ESC is a problem. I think this goes for many of the "old" Eurovision countries actually.

The newer ones have a whole different view on the contest and therefor they take it more serious. To some extent you can blame diaspora and bloc voting for unfair results, but doesn't change the fact that western countries in general send worse entries because they have a worse view on Eurovision.
 

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I remember 2007 when it came down to Scooch and cyndi (who had a really good power ballad) and the viewers chose Scooch over her. That just pretty much summed up the attitude of the british viewers which is a shame. I know that was in 2007 but I don't think the overall attitude has changed a whole lot.
The U.K. definately has the funds to come up with a nice NF which is what they need.
If the U.K. can score well again with a more 'sophisticated' song I believe the public will respond to that and a positive way and could improve the contest's reputation. But after 2010's disaster my expectations are really low for next year.
 

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The British people see acts like Austria 2003, Ukraine 2007, Bosnia and Herzegovina 2008, Russia 2010 and Im sorry but Serbia 2007 and think that we may as well send similar low class songs. Apart from the week following Eurovision, nobody really cares if we come last or do badly as it is seen as the contest of cheese and camp.
And there arent any funds this year, the BBC have their budget frozen for several years and there is just no money spare. Apart from not being able to afford a big National Final, the BBC could in no way pay to host the contest if we won, nor could they justify using taxpayers money when half a million people are loosing their jobs.
 

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The British people see acts like Austria 2003, Ukraine 2007, Bosnia and Herzegovina 2008, Russia 2010 and Im sorry but Serbia 2007 and think that we may as well send similar low class songs. Apart from the week following Eurovision, nobody really cares if we come last or do badly as it is seen as the contest of cheese and camp.
And there arent any funds this year, the BBC have their budget frozen for several years and there is just no money spare. Apart from not being able to afford a big National Final, the BBC could in no way pay to host the contest if we won, nor could they justify using taxpayers money when half a million people are loosing their jobs.

If BBC and the UK public only sees ESC as one big joke and to add it has a small following, then why even taking part then?
 

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To have a bit of fun??

It's different to have fun and just laugh at something. I think most broadcasters in one way or another is in this to have "fun", in the end of the day it's an entertainment show.
 

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The British people see acts like Austria 2003, Ukraine 2007, Bosnia and Herzegovina 2008, Russia 2010 and Im sorry but Serbia 2007 and think that we may as well send similar low class songs. Apart from the week following Eurovision, nobody really cares if we come last or do badly as it is seen as the contest of cheese and camp.
And there arent any funds this year, the BBC have their budget frozen for several years and there is just no money spare. Apart from not being able to afford a big National Final, the BBC could in no way pay to host the contest if we won, nor could they justify using taxpayers money when half a million people are loosing their jobs.


That pretty much says it all. I hope that we'll be able to convince the british public one day that ESC is more than a joke contest. Until then I have low to 0 expectations.
 

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It's different to have fun and just laugh at something. I think most broadcasters in one way or another is in this to have "fun", in the end of the day it's an entertainment show.

Well I know that Europe doesnt get the British sense of humour but I can tell you that because we laugh at something doesnt mean we are being offensive, it's just that we find it funny :lol:.
I am a Eurovision fan but I still dont take it 100% seriously. If you do then it becomes boring cuz all you concentrate on is winning.

I have tried to explain it many times on here but there isnt any point in me doing again because nobody ever understands me. In our opinion, most of our songs in recent years have been good. When they fail then it causes anger and just encourages more people to take Eurovision as a joke. So it's a vicious circle really ;). For me personally, I dont mind if a British song fails so long as it's not the result of political or diaspora voting.
 

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Well I know that Europe doesnt get the British sense of humour...

I for one LOVE British humour, but you call Scooch humour? Doubt even brits found that funny. What was funny about it? It was some generic eurodance with some simple costumes that's all.

I dunno, I don't think ESC has to be 100% strict all the time, but if you do something "fun", atleast do it seriously.

I mean either it's "they don't get our music" or "they don't get our humour"... I think it's too easy to blame everyone else.

Let's just be honest; BBC doesn't take it seriously because they don't have a public mandate to do so. The problem is how do you change the publics perception of ESC? It's not an easy task, but look at France for instance, they atleast seem to try lately and look at Germany recently. There first has to be some sort of will.

I want the UK to fair well actually. Historically it was a strong ESC country and it's one of the best music countries in the world, if not the best. There's so much potential here. But they really need to change things up.

Is Mika still interesting at writing an entry? That could turn out well I think.
 
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Well I know that Europe doesnt get the British sense of humour but I can tell you that because we laugh at something doesnt mean we are being offensive, it's just that we find it funny :lol:.
I am a Eurovision fan but I still dont take it 100% seriously. If you do then it becomes boring cuz all you concentrate on is winning.

I have tried to explain it many times on here but there isnt any point in me doing again because nobody ever understands me. In our opinion, most of our songs in recent years have been good. When they fail then it causes anger and just encourages more people to take Eurovision as a joke. So it's a vicious circle really ;). For me personally, I dont mind if a British song fails so long as it's not the result of political or diaspora voting.
I don't think there are many British people who would consider our recent Eurovision output to be good. Pretty much everyone hated Pete Waterman's effort last year and similar sentiments would be extended to Andy Abraham and the dreaded Jemini.

Daz Sampson and Scooch are very divisive entries. I loved Daz but hated Scooch. While I found Daz funny, I thought Scooch were trying too hard.

Very few UK Eurovision fans will take it seriously. As far as I am concerned, if a performance makes me laugh, that's an equally valid reason to vote for it as musical excellence. As long as I'm entertained, I'm happy. Millions of UK viewers would agree and happily watch what they consider to be a comedy show. Rating are high, so there's no problem.

I think the problem is that Eurovision didn't used to be as good as it is now. Up to the middle of the last decade I was still regarding it as primarily a comedy show, and a very good one at that. The majority of the UK audience has yet to catch up.

Add into this the fact that we keep losing. The reaction of many Brits is to (a) blame political voting, particularly from Eastern Europe, and (b) decide that "if you can't beat them, join them" and send a comedy act.

Maybe having a Western european win last year will help change the attitude both of the viewers and the BBC, but I doubt it.

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Is Mika still interesting at writing an entry?
No, he's not. I don't think he ever was interested.
 

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By humour I mean how when Eurovision is on people here laugh when the entries on cuz they see them as stupid.
And Scooch were a perfect Eurovision song in the UK's opinion and as I said before it was genuinely believed here that we were going to win. There was by far more press and media interest in 2007 than any other year because of Scooch, even more than when Lord Lloyd Webber did it. They were in all the magazines, newspapers and on TV which may not sound like much to people in Eurovision-obsessed nations but here you're lucky if you hear a brief mention about it on the Saturday morning normally.
I think part of the UK's problem is that we used to be successful. Now we're failures and it so happens that we have started failing when Eastern Europe joined. Now I dont feel that we have begun to fail because of Eastern Europe at all but many people here do, particularly people who watched Eurovision when we used to be top-5 all the time. And it's sorta the feeling now of "oh there's no point trying cuz they all hate us". So not only is there absolutely no money to come up with anything exciting, there isnt any will either.
It's difficult cuz Europeans blame us for sending crap songs and UK blames Europe for hating us :lol:.
 

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It's difficult cuz Europeans blame us for sending crap songs and UK blames Europe for hating us :lol:.

I doubt Europe "hates you", yet again some excuse for not sending good entries lol

Actually the UK (as a country) have much wider respect throughout Europe than many others so.

The hate for Germany is generally bigger (because of historically reasons mostly) and the interest there wasn't anything major either, but they tried didn't they?
 

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Re: UNITED KINGDOM 2011

anyone heard any rumours or anythin?
 

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the rumours fly around as always: Take That, Cheryl Cole etc. but none of those are reliable.

We should get a few more reliable rumours soon, this is when they started looking last year
 
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