Televoting enabled during entire 2010 shows

[paddyirl]

I don't get it! Why is the EBU changing the rules so quickly?
The introduction of the semi final in 2004 was a good move because the number of participating countries increased from 26 in 2003 to 36 in 2004.
Then, in 2008 they split the semi final in 2 parts after 1 more country debuted? (In 2007, 42 countries were taking part).
In 2009 they changed the voting method.
And now, in 2010 they changed the voting method in the semi finals.
Why?
This year, 39countries are taking part. The EBU should have return to the 2004 original rules : In the final, BIG 4 + ESC 2009 Top 10 (Norway, Iceland, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Estonia, Greece, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Armenia, Russia (UK was 5th); Ukraine (France was 8th)] + the Top 10 from the only semi final in which 25 countries would take part.

Why so many changes?

A return to the 2004 rules would be highly unfair. It was a very unfair system, just because you had a good song one year didn't mean it would be good the following year and it also put the 10 auto qualifiers at a disadvantage the following year with many of them making of the majority of the bottom 15 in the final.

I disagree with this voting rule for the televoting but I agree with the 50/50 jury split for the semis, Ireland would have qualified I believe had that system been in place last year.

This voting rule is likely to backfire.

 

[Blush]

i don't like the idea with the jury... should be people votes only!

 

[Blush]

voting from the very first song would be ok if the votes were for free.the same voting system Romania used this year in the NF but the votes were free... so i voted for 5 songs... there will be more than 20 songs and im sure that in 2 hours you may change your opinion many times.... even if you already know who are you going to vote with there are many ppl who listen to the songs for the first time.... to be 25 in the contest is not a good thing anymore. till then they already voted .... 1,5 euro (i think think)/vote and this is for another country not yours, no one will vote twice...
So this system is ok in NF cause you have all the interest to send a good song to the final ,but not a good thing when you are voting for other country.

 

[Morty]

i don't like the idea with the jury... should be people votes only!

It should, but people prove over and over that they vote for the countries and not for the songs, so until the Europeans decide to vote objectively (which is never going to happen), I want the juries to stay.

But I still don't like having the lines open during the entire show...

 

[FallenAngelII]

This will only serve to strengthen diaspora- and neighbourvoting! People who have already made up their mind beforehand who to vote for, even without having first heard or seen the entries live! And who would these people be? Well, they fall into one of four categories:
1) Dedicated fans who've already checked out the entries beforehand.
2) Other people (not dedicated fans) who have done the same.
3) Diaspora voters.
4) Neighbour voters.

I mean, why even give people the chance to vote before they've actually seen and heard the entry performed live? It might be much worse than on the CD. It might be much better than on the CD. Giving people the option to vote for a 2+ hour period is only going to make diaspora and neighbour-voting even more pronounced.

What were they thinking?!

 

[Borderline]

This will only serve to strengthen diaspora- and neighbourvoting! People who have already made up their mind beforehand who to vote for, even without having first heard or seen the entries live! And who would these people be? Well, they fall into one of four categories:
1) Dedicated fans who've already checked out the entries beforehand.
2) Other people (not dedicated fans) who have done the same.
3) Diaspora voters.
4) Neighbour voters.

I mean, why even give people the chance to vote before they've actually seen and heard the entry performed live? It might be much worse than on the CD. It might be much better than on the CD. Giving people the option to vote for a 2+ hour period is only going to make diaspora and neighbour-voting even more pronounced.

What were they thinking?!

More time for voting = more votes = more money? :roll:

 

[imno12u]

This will only serve to strengthen diaspora- and neighbourvoting! People who have already made up their mind beforehand who to vote for, even without having first heard or seen the entries live! And who would these people be? Well, they fall into one of four categories:
1) Dedicated fans who've already checked out the entries beforehand.
2) Other people (not dedicated fans) who have done the same.
3) Diaspora voters.
4) Neighbour voters.

I mean, why even give people the chance to vote before they've actually seen and heard the entry performed live? It might be much worse than on the CD. It might be much better than on the CD. Giving people the option to vote for a 2+ hour period is only going to make diaspora and neighbour-voting even more pronounced.

What were they thinking?!

More time for voting = more votes = more money? :roll:

Also, having more time to vote will mean the lines wont get jammed- which they often do in that 15-minute period on the night

 

[broomhelga]

It *should* be less of a disadvantage for countries going near the start because people can vote as soon as they hear an amazing song and they don't need to worry about forgetting later...

However I do think it will strengthen diaspora voting so I don't back this change.

 

[A-lister]

The only thing this will do is strengthen the power of diaspora voting.

Regular viewers who are not fanatically supporting a certain country just because of the country alone, would in many cases wait till they hear it all before making their judgments...

Now the diaspora voters will just have plenty of more time to vote and the countries that are heavy diaspora-vote gainers, will get even higher chances to win than ever before.

But it is obvious EBU only cares about cash and therefor will not change this rule, no matter the harm it will make for the contest.

But someone should really write to them, I doubt they would care though, but atleast we've tried. A petition maybe? Because seriously this will not bring any good to the contest, the only "good" will go directly to EBU in the shape of more €€€

 

[94ayd]

If it does prove diaspora-friendly, they might get rid of it for 2011.

 

[A-lister]

If it does prove diaspora-friendly, they might get rid of it for 2011.

If it gives EBU money, they will not get rid of it for sure.

 

[Matt]

I think we should wait and see. We're running into conclusions here. I don't think diapora will benefit from this but we will see. I think it's worth a shot.

 

[A-lister]

I think we should wait and see. We're running into conclusions here. I don't think diapora will benefit from this but we will see. I think it's worth a shot.

How will they not benefit? These type of voters know beforehand what to vote for, no matter if they heard the song or not or if it is the best or not. Now they will have even more time to do so. I think by now we should have learned to not underestimate the power of diaspora voting, and with this new rule they just strengthened that power.

I mean we all know it's about EBU wanting more money, because there's no logic to this system really.

 

[Matt]

To my knowledge you have to pay to call in right? I don't know if they would spend all that money for that. In addition, I don't believe that they will look up the running number (that's only for hardcore ESC fans) so they can call in from the beginning of the show. All I am saying is let's wait and see. We only know after the show.

 

[A-lister]

To my knowledge you have to pay to call in right? I don't know if they would spend all that money for that. In addition, I don't believe that they will look up the running number (that's only for hardcore ESC fans) so they can call in from the beginning of the show. All I am saying is let's wait and see. We only know after the show.

What country was it again that went to another one and handed them SIM cards to vote for them?

Some people are obsessed, they WILL vote.

But yeah, let's wait and see. But even if it will show to favor countries with lots of diaspora voters even more than the previous system, EBU will probably not end it anyway because they want the money for sure

 

[broomhelga]

To my knowledge you have to pay to call in right? I don't know if they would spend all that money for that. In addition, I don't believe that they will look up the running number (that's only for hardcore ESC fans) so they can call in from the beginning of the show. All I am saying is let's wait and see. We only know after the show.

What country was it again that went to another one and handed them SIM cards to vote for them?

Some people are obsessed, they WILL vote.

But yeah, let's wait and see. But even if it will show to favor countries with lots of diaspora voters even more than the previous system, EBU will probably not end it anyway because they want the money for sure

Armenia in Belgium

They could cut diaspora voting if they limited the amount of votes per phone number.

 

[A-lister]

Armenia in Belgium

They could cut diaspora voting if they limited the amount of votes per phone number.

No, that was not the one I was referring to... but I forgot about it... oh it doesn't matter

well then the whole point would be useless for EBU right? They WANT the cash, that's why they allow this new system in the first place, limit the votes would not bring any more cash for sure...

 

[FallenAngelII]

They could cut diaspora voting if they limited the amount of votes per phone number.

But that would mean less money for the EBU! We can't have that, now can we?

 

[Sway]

I bet Svante Stockselius decided this... it's so Swedish, it's almost like a parody

 

[A-lister]

I bet Svante Stockselius decided this... it's so Swedish, it's almost like a parody

Ehm?

I'm Swedish and wtf did u mean by that?