Switzerland SWITZERLAND 2019 - Luca Hänni - She Got Me

[BorisBubbles]

I DO feel Austria is bloody overrated most of the time, but at least their entries have proven to be competent enough, especially from 2014 onwards. Austria from 2007 (or perish the thought,, further back) is pretty awful though, with some occasional gems (1976, 1977, 1982, 1996). But I feel like this board's Austrians need to chill out pronto for reasons that I don't think need explanation.

Switzerland is a worse country for me though. I've had them in my top five... perhaps... 4 times, total? (and one of them is Vanilla Ninja of whom I have to often remind myself did not rep Estonia) and I think I've had them bottom 3 in my rankings more than any other country (except for MAYBE Germany, but Germany has extremely high highs to compensate for the satanic shit they put us through)

Switzerland and Austria are both bottom-of-the-barrell ESC countries for me and this dates back to the time when the juries voted for their favourite songs only. Doesn't mean they can't be good on occasion, even if it's rare for both of them. I LOVED ZiBBZ last year. I really like Luca this year as well (not enough for top 10 but I love a lot of shit this year, so tough ginger snaps). This does feel like a year in which Switzerland could do better than normal, that is to say: reach the final/not embarrass themselves. We'll see how high or low Luca will finish, but my optimistic prognosis is "Higher than Tamta" for the time being.

 

[blue00eyes]

Bottom 10 for me.

 

[Preuss]

I hope he doesn't wear the same clothes as in the music video
But the music video has got a nice vibe, but I am really curious how it's gonna look with dancers on the LEDs

Now we all know that Tamta won't have dancers on her LEDs

 

[Leydan]

What‘s your point exactly. Austria is the country that Europe hates but fans on the forum don‘t?

My point is exactly how it is above. Austria isn't the underrated country you like to think it is. :?

For three consecutive years, Austria was predicted a borderline qualifier or no qualifier according to the odds, while Switzerland with a cheesy and ridiculous song was the fanwank of the year in 2017. Cesar Sampson was for no apparent reason out of or at the borderline of youtubers Semi Top 10 but got the same televote score as Netta. Cesar was buried by the starting order as was Nathan, and Christer Björkman is said to have a grudge against ORF because he was not allowed to run the show in 2015.

fanwank. Nah, Switzerland wasn't anywhere near a fanwank. In fact Switzerland are often overlooked, and your opinion of the song doesn't make it fact. Countries have won from the starting position and early draws, and in fact done very well. Yes in eurovision an early draw isn't beneficial, but if you have a strong entry it will prevail. The best example I can think of which looking is Turkey winning in 2003 from position 4. Who cares about what some random fans think? They're not the only voters going into the final.

Austria outperformed oddchecker three years in a row by at least 10 to 15 places. Switzerland underperformed in 2017 and is set to underperform this year. We hardly can‘t underperform because we already are ignored by bookies yet again.

The bookies only try to predict who they think will win, not where you come. Did Austria win? no. So you didn't do anything. Also you have no way of knowing how Switzerland will do.

Qualifying for the final we did 5 times, once with the help of juries, once with the help of televote. I wouldnt call that being ritually ignored, i would call UK being ritually ignored. Therefore your comment is a little rich coming from you.

Rich coming from me, because I'm british and somehow responsible for the BBC decisions? 2 Lel, no. Try harder. Our entries suck most year and we get what we deserve. We're ritually ignored by both juries and televote by and large, with a couple of exceptions, because our entries are so middle of the road. The story is different as the Austrians of this forum are hyping their own entry so much it is crazy. The juries helped you into the final every year you wasn't top 10 in the televote, and in 2011 you barely made it over israel to 10th in the televote. In 2015 if you'd have gone through the semis then it's quite easy to say that'd be another year relying on the juries.

Underperforming in the televote is a problem for most western european countries and Australia, that is why juries are here in the first place. That is why Austria chose to internally pick quality entries in order to safe a place in th grand final over juries, televote is extra. That is what many countries do now. Appease to th juries for Saturday night ratings. Eurovision is a lot of revenues for little expense if people tune in.

No, countries pander to the juries because it is easier to predict what they will like than the televote - and it usually results in some english language mediocrity. They're not here to offset an eastern european televote, they were brought back because of the contests reputation being in a gutter and to offset diaspora and supposed bloc voting - something the western europeans partake in as much as the west. you've won a televote, Australia has come in the televote top 6 in 2 of their 4 participations so far. Several western countries have done well under a televote.

 

[hungo]

My point is exactly how it is above. Austria isn't the underrated country you like to think it is. :?



fanwank. Nah, Switzerland wasn't anywhere near a fanwank. In fact Switzerland are often overlooked, and your opinion of the song doesn't make it fact. Countries have won from the starting position and early draws, and in fact done very well. Yes in eurovision an early draw isn't beneficial, but if you have a strong entry it will prevail. The best example I can think of which looking is Turkey winning in 2003 from position 4. Who cares about what some random fans think? They're not the only voters going into the final.



The bookies only try to predict who they think will win, not where you come. Did Austria win? no. So you didn't do anything. Also you have no way of knowing how Switzerland will do.



Rich coming from me, because I'm british and somehow responsible for the BBC decisions? 2 Lel, no. Try harder. Our entries suck most year and we get what we deserve. We're ritually ignored by both juries and televote by and large, with a couple of exceptions, because our entries are so middle of the road. The story is different as the Austrians of this forum are hyping their own entry so much it is crazy. The juries helped you into the final every year you wasn't top 10 in the televote, and in 2011 you barely made it over israel to 10th in the televote. In 2015 if you'd have gone through the semis then it's quite easy to say that'd be another year relying on the juries.



No, countries pander to the juries because it is easier to predict what they will like than the televote - and it usually results in some english language mediocrity. They're not here to offset an eastern european televote, they were brought back because of the contests reputation being in a gutter and to offset diaspora and supposed bloc voting - something the western europeans partake in as much as the west. you've won a televote, Australia has come in the televote top 6 in 2 of their 4 participations so far. Several western countries have done well under a televote.

OMG. I am so happy me is not you. How can you waste so much time with thinking about useless things.

 

[Leydan]

OMG. I am so happy me is not you. How can you waste so much time with thinking about useless things.

tbh I immediately erased this from my mind as soon I had written it and left the thread. :'D Why are you wasting your time reading if it is useless?

 

[Ezio]

yes because you are A MASCULINE MASC who is not SASSY becsuse you are so MANLY and not at all a QUEEN but A KING (who likes men)

sassy might not be sexy but self internalized homophobia is even less sexy. maybe that's why you're single now?

At least you have something to offer and I am very impressed: ad hominem attacks.

 

[Ezio]

I DO feel Austria is bloody overrated most of the time, but at least their entries have proven to be competent enough, especially from 2014 onwards. Austria from 2007 (or perish the thought,, further back) is pretty awful though, with some occasional gems (1976, 1977, 1982, 1996). But I feel like this board's Austrians need to chill out pronto for reasons that I don't think need explanation.

Switzerland is a worse country for me though. I've had them in my top five... perhaps... 4 times, total? (and one of them is Vanilla Ninja of whom I have to often remind myself did not rep Estonia) and I think I've had them bottom 3 in my rankings more than any other country (except for MAYBE Germany, but Germany has extremely high highs to compensate for the satanic shit they put us through)

In order to make you "love" Austria and Austrians even more than you already do, let me provide you with some with very interesting words - you can bury me with a wall of text later:

Austria is bloody overrated according to what? The polls or the actual results? Looking back 2014 to 2018, Austria was pretty much more often declared "underrated" and "dark horse" instead of "overrated" and "fan flop". In each year, the odds were bad, the fanpolls soso but the results really good. So I guess, you are disappointed with the actual results.

I get that, because if you are Belgian, you feel some energy in Eurovision too. However, calling Austria and Switzerland the bottom of the barrel is also quite funny and rich from you. It wasn't until 2015 that Belgium meant to take Eurovision seriously. The years before that Belgium was truly horrendous and made Eurovision look like a joke.

 

[Ezio]

OMG. I am so happy me is not you. How can you waste so much time with thinking about useless things.

#redout

 

[Preuss]

 

[gingerale]

Can you all stop with that Austria vs. Switzerland thing? It's like watching a ski race with my parents. Traumatic.

Both countries are working getting rid of their flop image after a very long history of flops. Austria already achieved a lot the past few years and it looks like Switzerland took notes (internal selection). Last year both countries exchanged points in their Semi, hope they will support each other again this year. Amen.

 

[BorisBubbles]

In order to make you "love" Austria and Austrians even more than you already do, let me provide you with some with very interesting words - you can bury me with a wall of text later:

Austria is bloody overrated according to what? The polls or the actual results? Looking back 2014 to 2018, Austria was pretty much more often declared "underrated" and "dark horse" instead of "overrated" and "fan flop". In each year, the odds were bad, the fanpolls soso but the results really good. So I guess, you are disappointed with the actual results.

I get that, because if you are Belgian, you feel some energy in Eurovision too. However, calling Austria and Switzerland the bottom of the barrel is also quite funny and rich from you. It wasn't until 2015 that Belgium meant to take Eurovision seriously. The years before that Belgium was truly horrendous and made Eurovision look like a joke.

According to personal opinion. I liked most Austrian entries from recent memory, but I did not love them -other than Conchita and Zoë- and certainly not to the extend juries did. Critical acclaim is nice, but the points Austria received are pretty generous for what they were worth imo. I can recite the other Austrian entries I liked from memory: 2005, 1997, 1996, 1983, 1982, 1977, 1976, 1972. (that's about as far back as I can go) About eight songs, give or take, over a span of rougly 40 years. That's pretty bad, but again, that's merely ~my~ opinion. If you believe I'm a Queen of the EuroBleeps who listens to Toxic Tunes 24/7 or whatever, then you're perfectly free to accuse of such, bro. I will not deny it and wear it like a badge of honour.

Now as for Belgium. Well, I like Belgium a lot in Eurovision, sure? Not sure if it's even country bias, tbh. Belgium has several amazing entries in the older years, specifically in the 1980s (Telex, Pas de Deux, Sandra Kim, Liliane St-Pierre are all god-tier), and they are one of the stronger countries in the 2010s (Tom, Robertoad, Loic, Laura, Blanche, possibly Eliot) and can definitely hold their own in the earlier years (Dream Express, Tonia, Louis Neefs x2), as well. There are some weak streaks as well (the less said about the 2000s NQs or the 70s, the better), but the same applies to any country, rly. Being Belgian myself doesn't really help. When Belgium suck, I usually rank them extremely low out of first hand embarrassment. :?

Funnily we're having our little spat here though because I believe Switzerland's entries are way worse than both Austria's and Belgium's across any decade, except for maaaaaaybe the 60s and 50s (and I say "maybe" because I haven't seen a full year in the 60s of 50s yet, so there's no way for me to know that for certain)

EDIT: but yes, let us hopefully bury this debate. on to better horizons :-)

 

[Mrm]

[MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION]

OMFG have you seen what has Luca done to Nika Kocharov and Young Georgian Lolitaz in 2016 final!?
We have to punish this odious little man somehow! :?

 

[Ezio]

A If you believe I'm a Queen of the EuroBleeps who listens to Toxic Tunes 24/7 or whatever, then you're perfectly free to accuse of such, bro. I will not deny it and wear it like a badge of honour.

xlol

ok. So I didn't expect that, I thought you were an opinionated music lover, not a bop addict. But that explains you don't like Austrian entries in general. When I started watching Eurovision in 1990, almost every Austrian entry got me excited between 1990 and 2003, except for 1993. And I think, we were very underrated in the 90s. And later I learned to love some gems of the 70's (1972 Schmetterlinge), the 60's (1964 Sag ihr, ich lass sie grüßen - this song they should play on my funeral). The only cringeworthy decades are the 80's, although I love Hurricane (1983) and the 00's (although it started well, but ended soon). Austria was completely off track in the 80's and from 2004 onwards until 2013. I would put Austria on my last place in 2012 and almost there in 2004, 2005 and 2007. 1987, 1988, 1984 embarass me a lot too.

Austria is my first place ONLY in 2016. I was excited to catch the fever in 2014 but I loved Hungary more. Or Netherlands. In 2017, I did not root for Austria at all, because I was upset with the bland choice of song. Austrians hyping Austrian songs is not always true when it comes to me personally. Cesar was great and so is Paenda, my queen of teardrops.

Switzerland was a true powerhouse in 80's and 90's. They started to dive in 1998 although the song "Lass ihn" wasnt bad either. I genuinely loved Switzerland in 1993. Should have won.

Now as for Belgium. Well, I like Belgium a lot in Eurovision, sure? Not sure if it's even country bias, tbh. Belgium has several amazing entries in the older years, specifically in the 1980s (Telex, Pas de Deux, Sandra Kim, Liliane St-Pierre are all god-tier), and they are one of the stronger countries in the 2010s (Tom, Robertoad, Loic, Laura, Blanche, possibly Eliot) and can definitely hold their own in the earlier years (Dream Express, Tonia, Louis Neefs x2), as well. There are some weak streaks as well (the less said about the 2000s NQs or the 70s, the better), but the same applies to any country, rly. Being Belgian myself doesn't really help. When Belgium suck, I usually rank them extremely low out of first hand embarrassment. :?

I don't know Belgian songs from the ancient ages. Sandra Kim was the obvious runaway winner in a weak year. From the 90's, only Dis oui stuck with me, but I dont like it, it's just a piercing chorus. I remember 2000 because it was such a cringefest.

In 2005, I feLl for the hype for Kate Ryan and was thunderstruck when Belgium did not pass to the finals. A year earlier, I was excited to see Belgium flop with One Life, which sounded like the 90's wanted their Eurotrash back. I didn't like 2002, 2003. I can't remember later songs, but they involved copycats, acapella and disco balls.

Tom Dice had such a forgettable song that I forgot that Belgium made a great result with him in 2010.

Robert Bellarosa entered my Top 5 with ease, but he was a puppy with a bad song and a sick beat that was irresistible to me.

I think, the Dutch pressure mounted on Belgium to up their game, that is why Belgium suddenly does not suck anymore in Eurovision. But they usually have similar problems racking up televotes, so let's pray for the juries to stay, or we can celebrate diversity year by year in Russia, Azejaiba.. in Baku, Minsk or Ankara.

Funnily we're having our little spat here though because I believe Switzerland's entries are way worse than both Austria's and Belgium's across any decade, except for maaaaaaybe the 60s and 50s (and I say "maybe" because I haven't seen a full year in the 60s of 50s yet, so there's no way for me to know that for certain)

EDIT: but yes, let us hopefully bury this debate. on to better horizons :-)

The Swiss were the top dog of the late 80s and early 90s.


OOOKKK, seems like I can text walls too :S

 

[DenizESC]

Sorry, totally don't care for this beef. Just had one question:

What is an 'Azejaiba' ?

 

[Ezio]

Sorry, totally don't care for this beef.

Were you supposed to care?

 

[BorisBubbles]

Azerbajinjin? Azerbazen?

Bakustan.

 

[Mrm]

What is this? :?

Swiss thread Monday party?

 

[DenizESC]

Azerbazen

 

[Ezio]

What is this? :?

Swiss thread Monday party?

<<<shaqiri be gone>>>>