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Sweden SWEDEN 2016 - Frans - If I Were Sorry

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LalehForWD

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Stick to English please.

Uuggh!!??? The subject has no relevance what so ever for others than Swedes or people who understand spoken Swedish - it's a pod. It's not like you can run Google translate or anything. That is why it was written in Swedish. I think that is a very clear and easy message. The pod is a long in depth conversation in Swedish between Schlagerprofilerna and Christer Björkman about Melodifestivalen and Eurovision 2016 in Stockholm. I believe at least one of the two Schlagerprofilerna is active on ESC international forums (not this one though) and I think it's very much up to him/they if they decide to share anything. I'm certainly not going to translate.

I honestly don't understand your remark at all and why you thought it was necessary to post a reprimand - in bold to top it. You do understand it just works as another discouraging factor to contribute anything to the thread? It's not like Swedish posts are recurrent issues. How many posts are in Swedish in the thread? I know this is my first one and was made as a short exception. Furthermore I rarely see any signs of interest at all on the forum to discuss anything real related to Melodifestivalen and the overall posting frequency is practically non-existent. So, it's hardly we interrupted or disturbed any on-going discussions. So why do you care if we speak Swedish for while? Quite frankly there are so many other much more serious issues with this thread that you could deal with if you actually want to improve the quality. Why not start with political posts for example or the massive off topic hate trolling?
 

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Uuggh!!??? The subject has no relevance what so ever for others than Swedes or people who understand spoken Swedish - it's a pod. It's not like you can run Google translate or anything. That is why it was written in Swedish. I think that is a very clear and easy message. The pod is a long in depth conversation in Swedish between Schlagerprofilerna and Christer Björkman about Melodifestivalen and Eurovision 2016 in Stockholm. I believe at least one of the two Schlagerprofilerna is active on ESC international forums (not this one though) and I think it's very much up to him/they if they decide to share anything. I'm certainly not going to translate.

I honestly don't understand your remark at all and why you thought it was necessary to post a reprimand - in bold to top it. You do understand it just works as another discouraging factor to contribute anything to the thread? It's not like Swedish posts are recurrent issues. How many posts are in Swedish in the thread? I know this is my first one and was made as a short exception. Furthermore I rarely see any signs of interest at all on the forum to discuss anything real related to Melodifestivalen and the overall posting frequency is practically non-existent. So, it's hardly we interrupted or disturbed any on-going discussions. So why do you care if we speak Swedish for while? Quite frankly there are so many other much more serious issues with this thread that you could deal with if you actually want to improve the quality. Why not start with political posts for example or the massive off topic hate trolling?


There is really no need to expand the topic beyond its own limits. I just asked for everything to stay in English and nothing more. This is an international forum and we all need to stick to the common topics, that everyone will understand.

It is not a problem when someone uses one or two posts in a different language, when it comes to a particular context of the topic, but when it starts a whole discussion that goes that way, then it is our duty to react.


And also, don't create a problem where there isn't any. No warnings were given, I just reminded everyone to stick to English and nothing more than that.
 

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[MENTION=4368]Milos-BC[/MENTION] Sorry not really pointing at you but I think a perspective is needed here. There are just so many serious unresolved issues already. The thread has certainly got its fair share of hostile mods.
 

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Ace Wilder - Don't Worry featured in the trailer for the new Bridget Jones movie! :D
 

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Time for me to review this year's Swedish entry :D

Frans - If I Were Sorry
Status: No, thanks :?

Song: Sweden has become one of the most successful countries of the 2010's and hosted the contest twice in four years, I won't talk about the shows but I definitely think 2016 was miles better on every level than 2013 in terms of organization, visuals and ideas. Musically, I liked some of their popular entries (2011, 2012), including the black sheep everyone considers awful (2010); I loved "Undo" (2014) and especially "La Voix" (2009) since that particular song made me become a Eurovision fan :) (hence why I sport a picture of Malena Ernman). On the contrary, I found "You" (2013) random and boring, and "Heroes" (2015) was nothing more than the usual average Melfest entry, so the problem I have with Sweden is that they have particular standards that unfortunately don't change, and the blatant lack of musical diversity in their NF lead to a rather homogeneous track record; as I'm getting fed up with their formula, it'll be interesting to see if they'll try new things or keep on sending what they've send already in the following years. Anyway, let's get back to the song our hosts sent this year: "If I Were Sorry" is a a mix of pop and Idon'tevenknowwhat dealing with two people who were either friends or lovers, one of them betrayed the other, and the one who has been betrayed does not feel sorry for moving on. If Frans knew that girl was worth a second chance, he would have moved mountains for her. That's how I understand it anyway, I might be wrong as the lyrics aren't that clear. Apart from the fact that there are too many "If I Were Sorry" lines, I don't mind the text. However, the musical aspect hasn't exactly charmed me: the short intro - composed of some electric guitar notes - quickly leads to the first verse: a discreet beat sets the pace of the song (which remains the same from beginning to end), reverb/synthesizers effects are used and some piano chords punctuate Frans's vocals. In this regard, I'm confused: he's definitely not singing, but he's not truly speaking either, that's odd. Of course, it reminds me of Bieber's apathetic phrasing and accent, which I'm not fond of (except for a few songs of his), and that is the first reason why that entry doesn't do it for me. The guitar loop of the beginning comes back during the second part of the first verse and additional finger snaps can be heard, then for a few seconds Frans's voice and the electric guitar form a duo while two bell/drum sounds resound. The chorus starts off with the beat of the first verse and the electric guitar melodic loop. The second verse is pretty much the same as the first one with only some additional strings. The bridge is rather stripped down, which allows the lyrics of that part to stand out. I guess that people who dig the melody find the whole song quite mesmerizing, for me it's just very repetitive: the three main instruments (and a couple of electronic sounds) that are used basically perform the same melodic patterns over and over again. There is no twist or change of pace to keep me interested in what's going on, that's very flat and even imo, it bores me. Kudos to Sweden for sending a piece of music that's current at the moment and sounds different from their usual Melfest cheese, but that's not my jam at all. I can't believe that song did enjoy so much success in the charts, I must be disconnected from what's trendy. :?

Voice: What can I say? :lol: Frans gave a great performance (the contrary would have been quite worrying actually :lol:), his vocals were as good live as in the studio version, but that's not a very demanding song either, so... I don't like his voice personally.

Staging: The Swedish snobbery is impressive :lol: Like when Björkman said 2013 would be focused on music after Loreen's victory (how ironic!), they decided - after winning with a projector - not to use any of the technological devices of the most technologically-advanced Eurovision stage ever... :lol: Anyway, the staging was very simple: Frans stood on stage behind a microphone stand; at the beginning, the stage was completely black, which made him stand out. A few white spotlights lit up in the background and some words of the lyrics appeared in golden colour (dance, stop, mistake, devil, lies). During the first chorus, the backdrops looked like moving shiny black and yellow printed circuit boards, the colour pairing is kind of odd though, white would have been better than yellow imo. During the second chorus, a shiny crossed-out heart turned into the word "stop". After the bridge, Frans went to the b-stage so that cameramen could shoot the whole arena full of shiny dots. Overall, there was not much going on, and I guess the song demanded that, at least it didn't try to be what it was not (unlike "Heroes"). It was cute, but the song is a no for me. Frans wore casual clothes (to play the boy next door card): a taupe-y brown jacket, a white shirt, black trousers and grey shoes.

Outcome: Sweden placed 5th out of 26 countries in the grand final, since juries ranked them 9th and people ranked them 6th... Well, I'm speechless, that's all I have to say! :lol: I understand it's current, appealing to young people and not Eurovision-y, but I didn't expect such enthusiasm towards that entry, even people in the audience were shouting like crazy during the performance: I was like o_O :mrgreen: Well, good for them Swedes! Reaching top 5 while hosting is rewarding. Personally, I think this was hella overrated as I find it insipid and monotonous, somehow I'm relieved Sweden were prequalified, otherwise they would have taken the place of either Croatia or Serbia in the semi, and that wouldn't have been cute tbh. In my personal ranking, "If I Were Sorry" is placed 42nd out of 42, worst song of that edition to me (and I'm not even sorry!). I assume Swedes will get back to visuals next year, I just hope the song will be worth it because they have lost me in the last two years. Hoping for a comeback of either Mariette or Caroline Wennergren xheart Ideally I'd like a fresh sound from Sweden, even within their pop sphere there may be something original to present at Eurovision. No more "youuu" hook please, and don't rely too much on presentation, I ain't here for Cirque du Soleil if you know what I mean :p If only Björkman could allow new composers and artists (and not only his friends for 30 years), that would give their NF a breath of fresh air because I feel like it's musically going round in circles. For a nation that claims to master pop music, I guess it's not an absurd request ;)
 

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[MENTION=9195]tuorem[/MENTION] Thanks for interesting thoughts. Frans is a mystery for a lot of people and his victory in Melodifestivalen quite unexpected. My favourite was Wiktoria but I wanted Ace to win, Wiktoria for her charms and Ace for her class. Just remember Melodifestivalen is a joint effort of SVT and the Swedish music industry. Of course Christer Björkman has a lot of influence but it is ultimately the record companies who decide the who and how. This year Frans from a small company nicked the victory right in front of the noses of the big dragons, which could be an aspect to consider.
 

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I can still hear quite often Frans on the radio and he charted quite well, maybe the hottest foreign Eurovision song in many years in France. So France loved Frans ! :D

BTW, Eurovision 2016 led to a big revealation here. Mans does really well with Should've gone home. It's non stop on my radio station ! I was so surprised when I first listened : "Et maintenant, Mance Zelemerlove !!!!" :D And he sings really well in :fr: xbow

 

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Oh, I'm almost never here... :( *sorry*

I just want to bring a little bit of JOY to you all! xheartxheartxheart

 

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One more... :) OK, I kind of LOOOOOVE JILL!!! :Dxheyaxlovexheartxheartxheart
A whole lot of Schlager aswell... :)

 

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OK... another fave... SaRaha. xheart xheart :D

 

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OK... and this BEAUTIFUL and multi-talented woman.... xlove xlove ... we will NEVER ever hear her in ESC... xcry1xcry1
My absolutely favorite ... both voicelike AND acting/impression...
Love you Helen! xheart xheartxheart

 

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The song played yesterday on Portugal's most popular radio station. THey usually play the latest singles from Selene Gomez, Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes, "Perfect Strangers" and "Closer" on loop so I was quite surprised :lol:
 

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It is still a big hit on Austrian pop radio. And the best Swedish entry of the decade for me. Sounds even better than its blueprint "Catch and release".
 

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Whats wrong in the heads of all those Nilpointers? Even 1 Year later it is still a huge hit here.

Btw his new single is also very good.

 

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I still dont get the hate he received. Sweden can be very proud of him, Id rather say he is under than overrated.
 

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8 pts - a bit basic but very contemporary and modern; well-produced and catchy as hell. There's a reason why it turned out to be an international hit in the end. It's a song a superstar from the US would sing as well. - Definitely not one of my favourite entries but his placing was completely justified.
 
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