SWEDEN 2012 - Loreen - Euphoria

[LalehForWD]

OK, people might wonder what all these rather skewed comments are all about.

As I understand it, some people finds it offensive (for some reason) to hear about Euphoria and Loreen. They get more and more pissed off and starts to rant about her, the act and the song. The supporters senses this and try to cool/silence "the hype". Soon you cannot write anything about the subject without heating up the feelings. All this in a kind of semi-serious level.

Then the thread fills with comments like:
- Naee, I heard so much about this song - totally overrated, seen this act before, let me see some boobs! Why the overhype, retards?

How fun is this? What is the joy in acting like this?

Nationalist support for another country?
Or: Everything is just a joke, don't be so serious for god sake!
Or: I'm a troll and this thread is so funny and perfect for me.

Apparently good feelings are hurt.

I'm confused (for real this time) about this concept of underrated/overrated/overhyped and outdated. Overhyped in relation to what? Is there a common consensus, a scale to which compare a song? And if so, what if my own preference doesn't agree with the group? I guess this consensus is supposed to grow on you as you participate in the forum and thus is used to protect the old members, the ultimate gurus. Well, I can understand and appreciate a common understanding, a deep wisdom about ESC. The art to forecast a position for a song in the competition is great fun. To compare favourites and to see how your own preferences clashes against others is even more fun.

I think everything goes wrong when the idea of a chart comes in. In this context the concept of a rating is understandable as an universal rated list. This idea is BMO completely wrong. The ESC is not a chart and cannot in any sense be viewed as such. There is simply no method to compare 2 songs objectively (obviously).

A preference is about taste, which is personal and changes constantly according to age, time of day, mood, musical experience, new ideas, influence from others etc. It is of course impossible to measure. You may do it anyway for fun and rate your preferences in a list. We can then take all of Europe's preferences as a snapshot on a special night and rank them to get a winner. Still it is not possible to compare the winner with the loser in any way.

 

[Shelli]

Or: I'm a troll and this thread is so funny and perfect for me. (Thank god for Shelli)

:shock: What?

 

[LalehForWD]

It is a positive remark. You nailed at least a couple of trolls recently.
Please, don't be offended if you disagree. It's a big thumbs up from me!
(I delete the sentence)

 

[vavera4ka]

If someone is not happy with my signature, in which I ask to vote for Loreen in the semifinal (would have been confident of victory - not asked to), in modern browsers have a feature off of pictures on the page

dude, you are taking everything so close to heart. take a chill pill it's just a song contest. (if i were at a hockey forum, i'd say "why you heff to be mad, iz just a game" and everyone would get the reference )

nobody will be turning off pictures, because pictures are part of communication.
some people get aggravated, it's their problem and their right.
it's your right to have a picture promoting whatever you want as long as it's legal.
but people have a right to not like your picture.

disclaimer: i don't give a damn, just explaining some other peoples' position.

 

[Trece]

vavera4ka everything to extremes, so I did. But in general I deeply care.

By the way, your nickname is written in the Belarusian by Latin?

 

[vavera4ka]

I'm confused (for real this time) about this concept of underrated/overrated/overhyped and outdated. Overhyped in relation to what? Is there a common consensus, a scale to which compare a song? And if so, what if my own preference doesn't agree with the group?

that's the thing. it's all so personal.
like few years ago i loved Rybak, or Lena... and there was so much press around them, they weren't able to fart without people going either 'awwww look how cute they are" or "omg, now they fart too? what has this world come to?"
i wasn't one or the other, i just didn't care about all of that, i just listened to their songs in respective years on repeat.

then on the other side of the spectrum there was, for example, Vassilli 9or however you spell his name). I listened to his song, he has good voice, it's nicely done, but it didn't connect with me. An then everyone starts raving about it... and i understand that they are correct, and that it's good, but it annoys me because "omg so many people disagree with me! how dare they! or something like that"

i can tell you that from my personal vantage point, judging and knowing my own character to me it's more like sometimes i just want to be different, you know? "cool" with time and age it kinda goes away so now it's smoother. to the point that if i want to 'stand out" i don't hate, i just don't care. too much energy is wasted on hate. but when i was a teenager or in my early 20s... i was a rebel and i would fight and argue you to death


i have no idea if i made any sense i tried honestly

 

[vavera4ka]

vavera4ka everything to extremes, so I did. But in general I deeply care.

By the way, your nickname is written in the Belarusian by Latin?

yup
born and raised in Minsk . moved to US after finishing high school.

 

[LalehForWD]

As for Me, I wish the haters would come to this thread and hate. Just puke up every little dirty evil detail. A daily battle with the haters would be really engaging. But this meaningless ranting and disgrace of Loreen just makes me annoyed. Loreen is an honest, talented and intelligent young woman. A lovable person. To rant about her just falls foul.

 

[GodSaveTheQueen]

Nice song but not enough for eurovision

 

[Shelli]

Nice song but not enough for eurovision

what is enough for eurovision?

 

[vavera4ka]

what is enough for eurovision?

she definitely needs a mask with horns, also skates and a violin. dress her in leather folk clothes, add pyro-rain and you have a winner!

 

[lowyby]

she definitely needs a mask with horns, also skates and a violin. dress her in leather folk clothes, add pyro-rain and you have a winner!

This will only get her 2nd place at most
All your stuff & an awful English accent & she'll make it :d

 

[LalehForWD]

Nice song but not enough for eurovision

Oh no , are you sure? Just think about what it means!!!
We have to redo all the Melodifestivalen competitions all over again. All that work - for nothing!!

To avoid bankruptcy, SVT worked all night and came up with this modified version:

edit:
> Är det en DIY acappella, eller cirkulerar det en riktig acappella där ute?
I'm getting an urge to do one of these pieces. Maybe a funky fusion in 5/8?
Wonder what gears are needed?

 

[GodSaveTheQueen]

what is enough for eurovision?

I like this song but it^s classic pop song. songs are made like this every year.

 

[gazzerl67]

I actually think I would like Euphoria to win, primarily because it would be good for the image of Eurovision in the UK. Euphoria is one of the few entries over recent years that has the potentially to cross over to main stream commercial success in the UK (whether it manages it is another question as airplay on Radio 1 is always a huge issue) and it would be positive for people in the UK to see that Eurovision has moved on and is not all the 'La la la - bingy - bongy' Eurotrash that people in the UK tend to think it is.

However, I am not convinced that Euphoria is the absolute shoe in that some people on this thread seem convinced that it is. Reasons:

1. To me, it is not that 'instant' - whether you love it or hate it 'Popular' was very instant and the chorus became an ear-worm after just one hearing. 'Fairytale' was instant hence its landslide win. The MF process means that people have been following the song and artist for weeks before the final and the winner is announced. By this stage 'fans' can fail to grasp that not everyone else is on board. 95% plus of people will be voting on the basis of just one or two hearings.

2. Watching Loreen's performance, it comes across to me as rather introspective and she needs to connect more to a general audience. I actually liked the clip of her falling off the stage - before some of you go hysterical not because anything dreadful happened (it didn't - she slipped a few CMs) but because it was good to see her laugh and show that she doesn't take herself that seriously. A performer that fully engages with the TV audience is a huge vote factor.

In its favour is the fact that overall it is strong in its genre and faces very little real opposition with a lack of up tempo or dance numbers. Norway's entry is an abomination and Cyprus to me is of the 'La la la - bingy bongy' type mentioned above. The plethora of ballads will eat up each other's votes making it difficult for any one ballad to challenge.

 

[RevNet]

7 points from 'Bama.

This is a good song, but not a great song. The vocals and the music seem to compete with each other, because half the time, I couldn't understand her at all.

 

[Shelli]

http://loreen2012.tumblr.com/

 

[GodSaveTheQueen]

Very tight excellent cover by Kollisionen

edit:
I can't stop listen to this - brilliant!! What an energetic great voice this rock chick has. Funny tattoo and Jimi overlooking the scene.

I've got it! Amy Lee has a blond period, making friends in Scandinavia.

OMG It's wonderful. Better than Loreen. And i'm in love with her voice =)

 

[Metafeller]

^From that video, second top comment is mine

 

[Miax456x]

Classic pop song,like someone above said. Nothing special. Good luck!