SPAIN 2012 - Pastora Soler - Quédate conmigo
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No to Albania
Romania got 7
We were talking about last year.
Can you stop, please? You did something similar in the Portuguese thread. It's an opinion. Some people can't really face some opinions.
And at least Portugal has good taste. That's why "Quédate Conmigo" got 12 points. LOL!
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I think you have a point here. If there was something to improve in the final performance it was the visuals. Her hairstyle, her facial expression and her arm movements should have been less stiff and austere. With the dress I had no problem, I found it quite fitting to the way she performed.
Your description of a stereotypical ballad fits to songs like Yohanna's Is it true, for example, but I see Quédate conmigo as a different type of composition. In fact, Quédate reminds me very much of Ravel's Boléro: One musical theme starting quietly and repeating several times with steadily increasing intensity in voice and accompaniment until it reaches full orchestral power and resolves in a dramatic key change. I think this pronounced arc of suspense right from the start is not a stereotypical ballad form, just like Boléro is not a stereotypical classic orchestral piece. They both appear at the horizon, so to speak, close in and steamroll almost relentlessly over the listener at the end. Maybe this is what you meant with cold and clinical?
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I guess you are in right here. Being a stereotypical Eurivision ballad, Quédate conmigo was one of our (=Finland's) jury favourites, but televoters probably gave it no points at all. Pastora is a top class singer, her song unfotunately was too ordinary. I think instead of ordering their song from a famous ESc composer, Spain should try some real Spanish music next time, as they have an interesting music tradition of their own. Anyhow, thanks for using Spanish language once again!
Considering Spain didn't want to win and a lot of commentators pointed that out during the live show I think a 10th place isn't that shabby after all. And we know they won't withdraw and the broadcaster have been quite vocal about that so I'm confident that this is only the beginning of a winning streak for Spain.
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I think too that stating how Spain was scared to win is the reason why they just got 10th.
I mean, they had a fantastic position, with such a great voice reaching the highest top right close to the bottom of the show.
With such a Sanremo-style entry I expected Italy to give'em about 8 points (10-12 to the countries of diaspora), but after listening from our host that apparently, Pastora was asked not to do her best and avoid to win...
I gave my vote anyway, but no surprise that people didn't want to cause damage. At least I guess that's what they thought, I really can't explain it otherwise. :|
I think too that stating how Spain was scared to win is the reason why they just got 10th.
I mean, they had a fantastic position, with such a great voice reaching the highest top right close to the bottom of the show.
With such a Sanremo-style entry I expected Italy to give'em about 8 points (10-12 to the countries of diaspora), but after listening from our host that apparently, Pastora was asked not to do her best and avoid to win...
I gave my vote anyway, but no surprise that people didn't want to cause damage. At least I guess that's what they thought, I really can't explain it otherwise. :|
That's false and you should know it. A Spanish (and stupid) reporter wrote in ABC (Spanish newspaper) that she was told not to win, but afterwards Pastora told everyone that that's NOT true. And obviously, a lot of commentators from a lot of countries told the audience not to vote for Spain. It is incredible that commentators tried to influence people's voting, and it's worse than that, because it was something that indeed Pastora never said.
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I want to specify that our broadcaster never told us not to vote for Spain. I remember he talked about this fact as if he was sincere and disinterested. During the night he showed a lot of respect for Pastora's performance (he wasn't so kind with many trashy songs). Surely he wasn't shamelessly supporting Spain like Raffaella Carrà did last year, but sometimes he seemed to have a soft spot for you.
I think he really didn't know the truth whatever it is but yes, clean or not, commentators made a mistake by talking about that.
I want to specify that our broadcaster never told us not to vote for Spain. I remember he talked about this fact as if he was sincere and disinterested. During the night he showed a lot of respect for Pastora's performance (he wasn't so kind with many trashy songs). Surely he wasn't shamelessly supporting Spain like Raffaella Carrà did last year, but sometimes he seemed to have a soft spot for you.
I think he really didn't know the truth whatever it is but yes, clean or not, commentators made a mistake by talking about that.
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The German commentator lost no word about this do-not-win affair, and I do not remember seeing it appear anywhere else in German media. And yet Germany gave no points to Spain, I am embarrassed to say. So these alleged comments were obviously not necessary for the voters to ignore Pastora.
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Maybe. I'm not sure how to explain myself in clear words... It can be compared with 'surprises that in some situations like nowadays are no longer true surprises because they've become predictable surprises'. The key change in Quedate Conmigo is fantastic and was handled perfectly by Pastora, but was it really a surprise, was it something (together with the whole performance, and all the visual aspects) something that the Eurovision voter in 2012 would vote for? To me the song seems a bit planned, specially written to evoke emotions, with 'the right surprise' (the key change) that is actually no longer a surprise no matter how stunning and how technically well sung. Result: the ability to evoke emotions is less in this ballad. For some reason the other ballads like Kuula and Serbia's (and especially Suus) sound purer (to me).
So it has not so much to do with the type of composition of the ballad (how it is built up etc. like you describe it), but more with the intention behind it (when it was written). And the song, the end result, breaths that intention.
That is why some people, including me, are saying that spontaneously written songs are the best ones. Because it contains less thought and planning but more feelings and purity. For me, Quedate Conmigo, does not sound so spontaneous. It does not mean that I think it's a bad or unlikeable song! The truth is: I like it. But I just don't have strong feelings when listening to it.
Hmm, I think I've actually just managed to make myself clear