alca
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Now that was helpful! I was always wondering when you pronounce "c" and "z" as "th".
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Now that was helpful! I was always wondering when you pronounce "c" and "z" as "th".
dew21
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Now that was helpful! I was always wondering when you pronounce "c" and "z" as "th".
Alca, z always is pronunced as "th" (za, zo, zu, because ze and zi doesn´t exist in spanish), c is pronunces as "th" only when it comes with i and e (ce, ci). Ca, co and cu would change the sound to "ka, ko, ku". If you undertand this rule, the rest is a piece of cake.
alca
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^ Well I don't have problems with the pronunciation coz we have "th" (as in think) and "th" (as in this) in greek. I just didn't know when "z" sounds like "th" and when like "s". Same for "c" but if I got this right "c" always sounds like "th"...
I just didn't know when "z" sounds like "th" and when like "s". Same for "c" but if I got this right "c" always sounds like "th"...
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How is difficult to express his thoughts in a foreign language! But you did understand me!
I like how in Castilian is pronounced "z", in fact, before I studied Spanish and speaks in Argentine, and now I'm starting to re-educate themselves on the Castilian.
Once again, I listened to the performance of Pastora, Soraya and Lucia, and yet I do not like "z" of Pastora!
ParadiseES
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haha I'm sleepless, so lemme give a little lesson of Spanish pronunciation
ca = ka
ce = the
ci = thi
co = ko
cu = ku
za = tha
ze = doesn't exist
zi = doesn't exist
zo = tho
zu = thu
ga = ga
ge = xe (the Greek X or H)
gi = xi
go = go
gu = gu
gue = ge
gui = gi
güe = gue
güi = gui
j = always X
h= mute
b= b
v= b
ll= i
rr= strong
r= soft, except in the beginning of a word
Good night!
ca = ka
ce = the
ci = thi
co = ko
cu = ku
za = tha
ze = doesn't exist
zi = doesn't exist
zo = tho
zu = thu
ga = ga
ge = xe (the Greek X or H)
gi = xi
go = go
gu = gu
gue = ge
gui = gi
güe = gue
güi = gui
j = always X
h= mute
b= b
v= b
ll= i
rr= strong
r= soft, except in the beginning of a word
Good night!
dew21
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^ Well I don't have problems with the pronunciation coz we have "th" (as in think) and "th" (as in this) in greek.
Ahh ok. "Z" always sounds like "th". When you hear it as "s" is because it is a different dialect (from latinoamerica or some parts of southern Spain and Canary Islands). ParadiseEs made a resume of the main rules, and i will add:
"z" always sound like "th" when it comes with "a", "o" or "u", because with "e" and "i" it doesn´t exist.
If you want to do the sound "th" with "e" and "i", then you must use "c".
"c" always sound like "th" when it comes with "e" and "i", if it comes with "a", "o" or "u" it sounds as "k".
If you want to do that sound "k" with "e" and "i", you must use "que" and "qui" (sound --> ke and ki). There is not another way to do it.
"s" NEVER sounds as "th".
It seems complicated but it is really very simple. Many people doesn't know these rules well, thats why you can find many spelling mistakes in chats on internet. But the trick is, no matter how you pronunce it, just follow the rules to write it. I hope it helps you!
alca
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Oh here we go again! I had this conversation with a friend from Spain (we studied swedish together last year) and he told me what you wrote Pablo. But I clearly hear a "v" in many words. Can you explain that? And sometimes I hear b=v!
And thank you too dew21!
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It is impossible to write letters, letter "v" is something in between "b" and "v" in some words more like a "b", some with "v"
And anyway, everyone pronounces sounds in different ways, some softer, others harder.
As I remarked (maybe this is not true), then when the "v" in the stressed syllable, then it is pronounced more like "b" (Vamos), and when not, more like a "v" (Eurovisión), right?
In Spanish the /b/ and /v/ sounds are allophones. I mean, we tend to pronounce B and V like /b/, but as Trece said, depending on where the letter V is, we pronounce it softer or harder. Buuut we don't hear any difference, for us are the same phoneme. If we had learned to say and distinguish between the different sounds when we were kids (as you did when you learned... Greek? I guess), we would have recognized the two sounds.
Sorry for the double post!! :?
ParadiseES
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No way!
Y= /ʝ/
LL = /ʎ/
I = /i/
You're such a yeísta!!
haha no! I know it's not exactly an /i/ but it was the only way I found to point the difference between y and ll.
Anyways, despite that's the correct pronunciation, it's allowed to pronounce both in the same way. Actually, almost everyone pronounces ll as y.
ParadiseES
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Oh here we go again! I had this conversation with a friend from Spain (we studied swedish together last year) and he told me what you wrote Pablo. But I clearly hear a "v" in many words. Can you explain that? And sometimes I hear b=v!
And thank you too dew21!
Actually in Latin Spanish, they have the two sounds for "b" and "v". But in Spain they're always the same sound.
You may hear "v" sound in songs sometimes. Don't know why, but singers tend to do that, as well as pronounce "t" in the English way sometimes. But the fact is that "v" must sound always /b/
alca
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That's what I always thought. Somethin in between! But it's clear now!
Thank you all guys for replying!
alca
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You may hear "v" sound in songs sometimes. Don't know why, but singers tend to do that, as well as pronounce "t" in the English way sometimes. But the fact is that "v" must sound always /b/
Yeah I noticed that mostly in songs... So I guess when I hear a "v" in a conversation it must be "b" with a softer pronunciation... Anyway!
dew21
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Actually in Latin Spanish, they have the two sounds for "b" and "v". But in Spain they're always the same sound.
You may hear "v" sound in songs sometimes. Don't know why, but singers tend to do that, as well as pronounce "t" in the English way sometimes. But the fact is that "v" must sound always /b/
Well, i learned b and v have different sounds. V is like something between b and f, something soft. B is a sound stronger. But its true that almost nobody uses it, and we tend to use the sound b for both b and v. I learned it in school, and my father always told me it. So im not agree on that "must". V mustn't sound as B, but we are loseing the real sound of v (at least in Andalucia
). A good example of the difference between b and v are the words: vivir and Burro.
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Yes, all books treat as you said. (I'm talking about something in between on the previous page)Well, i learned b and v have different sounds. V is like something between b and f, something soft. B is a sound stronger. But its true that almost nobody uses it, and we tend to use the sound b for both b and v. I learned it in school, and my father always told me it. So im not agree on that "must". V mustn't sound as B, but we are loseing the real sound of v (at least in Andalucia
I like a good example:
la uva & Cuba - it also might not sound the same, there is a difference, with the obvious, no?
ParadiseES
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Well, i learned b and v have different sounds. V is like something between b and f, something soft. B is a sound stronger. But its true that almost nobody uses it, and we tend to use the sound b for both b and v. I learned it in school, and my father always told me it. So im not agree on that "must". V mustn't sound as B, but we are loseing the real sound of v (at least in Andalucia
No. In schools, teachers tend to make it difference so that children don't have spelling mistakes. But the fact is that B and V must sound the same. Probably they were different before, as it happens in French, English or Italian, but not in (Castillian) Spanish anymore. You can check the RAE or any other dictionary and find out the phonetic. For "vivir", you'll see /bi'bir/, etc...
I had to study that...