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This has certainly been on people's minds as soon as Portugal became a likely winner, and let's hear what you all think now before anything more is revealed

One is of course a stereotypically modern, international hosting in just slighty smaller scale, as we've seen in Denmark and Austria most recently. Obviously there's gonna be Portuguese greeting phrases, national symbols and red and green colors puked everywhere over it, but typical modern stage and nothing innovative or different overall.

Or, it could be much smaller, and not in a good way. Like one of the weaker national selections, but bigger, yet not big enough. No concept at all, just messy and cheap. I'm sure nobody wants this.

Or, they could try and go for an entirely different approach. Much less video and lighting effects, maybe they could try and make the arena look more like the concert halls used in the old days, with everyone performing on the same type of stage instead of making it look different for each entry. At least one step in this direction, like Norway tried in 2010 with the lack of a background video wall, would be the perfect time and place to try it.

Obviously the practical aspects of it - the Eurovillage, press center etc. will stay at it has been for all recent years, but i think a lot could be done with the performance space itself.

As for the show itself. little can be known. Obviously there can't be a cavalcade of Portuguese Eurovision classics, simply because there really aren't any :lol: If they did, i guess it would be "Quero ser tua" and the few top-10 placing entries they had before most of today's audience was born. I'd rather they skip trying that entirely, but i'm sure they cant avoid some self-mocking comments or at least allusions to their lack of success in the contest until now.

Obviously there will be a revamp of "Amar Pelois Dois", either with a real (or playback) string section, or a jazzed up version with Salvador's regular backing band, actually playing live as well as a new song by him, maybe a medley of jazz standards or popular Portuguese songs, possibly featuring several other under-exposed Portuguese singers, and maybe with a very loose and improvised jam session feel, that could spill over into other parts of the hosting as well.

Which brings us to the really interesting bit. Could they possibly lobby to allow live instruments to be used again? There's really no technical reasons against it, considering how many equally complicated multi-artist talent shows and award shows there are that use them on a lower budget and even stricter time schedules, and it's ultimately up to the acts themselves to go live or pre-recorded, so why not?

Or could it even be the time to do the unthinkable - bring back the orchestra? Or at least a live backing band of drums, bass, keyboards etc. for the acts who wanted it, and it worked back in the day after all....
 

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I'd love the return of the live orchestra (with maestros included) but that's just me wanting time to go back. I don't think it's doable because of how most countries select their acts this ways. Azerbaijan would not know where to go without the Swedish super producers :lol: Also I'd love the return of the language rule and considering a non-English native language actually won this year again at last there would be no better time to push for the return of this rule. But I also don't see it happening. Eurovision has just became something else, very much departed from it's original concept and even though Salvador's entry brings a bit of the nostalgia back and lust for the ways of the past I just don't see it happening.

You talk hosting and I got myself thinking about the presenters. Perhaps this is only meaningful to the Portuguese. But I was wondering a while ago...who will RTP try to push as presenters of the contest. TVI has the household names in Portugal at the moment so it'll be a bit strange seeing the "struggling for audiences" public national broadcaster shining internationally with their own personnel.

A name that was mentioned even before Salvador had been confirmed as the winner was that of Catarina Furtado. I really hope not...but seem like she is already "jumping at the bone". Not to mention that she's been with RTP since forever and anything major they handle to her on a silver plate. But her sense of humor is pretty crappy (giggles at almost anything) and I just don't like her snobbish trying to act "people's princess" whole attitude.

Malato was commenting this year and ofc as a result of this finds himself closer to a possible position now. But I also hope not. While I was surprised that he offered ok enough narration of the contest (that Galopim expert guy needs to be shot though) I think his days as a presenter are gone and proof of that is that he has not hosted a major program recently. Also he does not get dark humor at all...so if someone sends dark humored songs next year he'll be probably whining about it on social media as soon as he can.

Filomena Cautela was the spokesperson this year. I'd be ok with her in part. She is good looking enough - really not much the average Portuguese woman looks going for her so I think that'd work in her favor. Also she grew close to Salvador and FdC. She is one of the main entertainment faces of RTP right now so I wouldn't be surprised if she got a spot.
Against her are the possibilities of RTP wanting to prize their oldest presenters with this unique opportunity and also the fact that her sense of humor is not exactly top notch (she does get uncontrolably giggly at times but not as bad as Furtado. More intelligent than the later as well).

Speaking of faces that RTP keeps pushing, when you think of the male version of that then the name is Pedro Fernandes. Good looking (? I guess, to the average Portuguese women taste) and always seems to be getting the new entertainment programs these days. I think his English is decent enough and also he has a background with humor - though nothing special. So maybe him with Filomena? I think they are the current sweethearts.

Sílvia Alberto fell a bit out of favor. I don't dislike her, I used to like her a lot when younger actually but lately I can see why her career has not been on a curve leaning forward for a while now. Pedro Granger is a bit on the same situation but actually they would be a decent enough pair, their chemistry is quite ok.

Other than these names I don't remember many others now. They could pull back old household names such as Júlio Isidro and Serenella Andrade. And while I'm sure they'd fit the part and do the job well...I don't see them fitting with the hosts of lately at ESC. Clearly not energetic people anymore.

Jorge Gabriel is a solid name now that I think of it. He could very well get a place, even if only as green room presenter. Don't know how is English is nowadays but when he was in SIC at the turn of the century the program he hosted had international guests and he got by just fine. I think he's what Portuguese grandmothers claim to be the "grandson they all which they had" or something like that. Against him would be his rather dry humor and a tad of narcisism.

Herman José is an unwritten name, I believe. While he has the best sense of humor out of all these he hasn't presented anything major in a long time.

The afternoon show hosts like João Baião (or is he at SIC now?) and Tânia Ribas de Oliveira. Yeah, there's a reason why they are afternoon hosts. Tânia never really fulfilled her potential and Baião is rather...well, pimba. Not to mention that he seems to be on LSD all the time :mrgreen: But if the word is energy then I can't think of any other presenter that is more energetic than him. Maybe he could do a dance number or so if he indeed is still at RTP but I still don't see him being casted.

Sónia Araújo sort of disappeared out of the map? Yeah, she has a little crappy ego. But if it is beauty and elegance you seek then she would be a name to consider. Plus she is recognized as a good dancer so if that's to be part of the script..

Then there are those comedian hosts (5 para a meia noite crew), like Nilton but I just don't see those guys working in an ESC context at all.

Then again RTP could also pull a crappy choice by simply going for pretty face without TV hosting experience and chose Sara Sampaio just because she is an international top model.

I don't know why I drifted so much and mentioned nearly every RTP entertainment host right now, maybe it is because I fear for the future a little.

My wet dream choice would of course be Rui Sinel de Cordes with Malato ;) :mrgreen:

Or just Rui alone doing his black humor stand up with a lot of homophobic jokes and getting booed to eternity while being unable to contain his laughter. Of course, will never happen. Just thinking of the most surreal scenario now :p
 

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ESCInsight seem to think that Portugal will deliver a "Portuguese" show rather than an "SVT" show which I personally am very excited about. I just hope Portugal don't end up having to take on a load of SVT staff again. We already have one Melodifestivalen, we don't need another.

Also I hope they don't get Florian Wieder to design the stage again. Maybe there's some good stage designers in Portugal or Iberia, but I would prefer anything other than a Wieder stage. Those are horrendous.
 

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Yes! Bring back the orchestra and the random draw, too, please!
I also hope that the victory of a song in portuguese will persuade Brazil to join in, if not next year, sometime soon.
 

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The orchestra will never be back I believe
 

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Yes! Bring back the orchestra and the random draw, too, please!

I'm confused as to why ORF were able to bring back the orchestra just for the opening act of the final but didn't use it for anything else. Maybe it was like the rising stage in 2013, no one knew it was on option
 

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In case you guys didnt know, a Portuguese company (Brandia Central) developed the visual identity of the UEFA Euro 2012 and 2016, and I believe the 2018 World Cup as well! Hopefully they can make the visual identity for Eurovision 2018, I'm sure they'd do a great job at it.
 

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Or, they could try and go for an entirely different approach. Much less video and lighting effects, maybe they could try and make the arena look more like the concert halls used in the old days, with everyone performing on the same type of stage instead of making it look different for each entry. At least one step in this direction, like Norway tried in 2010 with the lack of a background video wall, would be the perfect time and place to try it.
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Why an orchestra? Literally no country would use it and even if they did, we don't need 42 salvador's next year.
Exactly the same with effects. There are songs that look beautiful with a ton of effects and they should get them.

I know stripped back performances can be beautiful, but led screens, spotlights and props are not evil things sent from satan.
 

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I'm confused as to why ORF were able to bring back the orchestra just for the opening act of the final but didn't use it for anything else. Maybe it was like the rising stage in 2013, no one knew it was on option

Are not live instruments specifically forbidden in the modern rules? Interval/opening acts may use them, but the competition is instrument-free for practical reasons.
 

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Would be nice to have an orchestra, some acts could use it and make them look and sound more epic, but I'm afraid that's not possible
 

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Also I hope they don't get Florian Wieder to design the stage again. Maybe there's some good stage designers in Portugal or Iberia, but I would prefer anything other than a Wieder stage. Those are horrendous.

I love what he does with the stage actually. The last two ones might have been a downside compared to first two, but 2011 & 2012 are my favourite stages with no doubt. I wouldn't mind seeing him once again.
 

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Are not live instruments specifically forbidden in the modern rules? Interval/opening acts may use them, but the competition is instrument-free for practical reasons.

Technology has evolved though, there are clip-on microphones that you can stick onto instruments and have them ready before going on stage. Live music should definitely be brought back.
 

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I hope we won't get a crappy small Salvador-inspired stage without any modern tech. That would be the worst. It took Portugal so long to win and it might take decades for them to win again, so they should go big and modern.
 

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I hope we won't get a crappy small Salvador-inspired stage without any modern tech. That would be the worst. It took Portugal so long to win and it might take decades for them to win again, so they should go big and modern.

Big doesn't mean quality
 

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Big doesn't mean quality

If Salvador could design the stage, it would be the size of this year's B stage without an LED screen and any modern tech. I hope the Portuguese broadcaster will not seek inspiration in this year's winner when deciding on matters like the stage.
 

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I can't believe people want orchestra back, how dated should this show be really? SanRemo or Kenges level? We all know Salvador only thinks one kind of music is "real", but I doubt Eurovision will benefit from having nothing entertainment or up to date or ethnical at all xshrug , I'm not against live music, but I want musical diversity and some styles will be hard to achieve with live instruments.

I do agree however that there should be a different staging, but still I want something modern and technically cool, but with a different touch and approach than the previous years because it all starts to look very "same-y".
 

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If Salvador could design the stage, it would be the size of this year's B stage without an LED screen and any modern tech. I hope the Portuguese broadcaster will not seek inspiration in this year's winner when deciding on matters like the stage.

I think your fears of Salvador designing or inspiring the stage are unfounded. There hasn't been a stage at all that has been designed/inspired by the winner. I mean if that was the case then the 2013 stage should have just been a box because that's all Loreen used, or every performance in 2015 should have had a calibrated dance with the background screen. RTP are aware, just like everyone, that the contest attracts incredibly varying styles of music from heavy metal to ballads to fast food pop to reggae. My only hope for the stage is that we don't have the moving stage from FdC 2004, that just looked ugly and awkward.
 

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So many pointless points made here already. Sad.
 
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