Re: SLOVENIA 2012
Okay, I beg to differ. I say no one could have saved
Aven Romale for instance. A song I personally find no way that bad as
'people' (spoken generally
) said but reactions and the final result were non-ambiguous. Or Nikki (the great singer
) could not have saved
Stand by but
Running scared (no guess why many liked that so much:?) would still have done very well under female vocals by Senit. Unless probably you are a world star and a certain amount of fans will support any crap you in that your name is involved. Then you do not need that prcedure. It is merely a matter of belief though, no way to prove what would have happened under other circumstances. We disagree here but that is no problem.
Nobody will never find out what people (in general) thought about that song. Imo, it could be saved by real gypsies with normal humour.
Verka's Danzing is not for everybody as well, however it became the best gimmick entry of the decade with
all countries giving us points (minus Albania, lol).
Lena wasn't a great singer too and she had a simple mediocre song with awful lyrics.
I'm afarid "Running Scared" is not for Senit, at all. It's like forcing Britney go opera. Bad idea, though hilarious
Nobody can prove what would have happened just like nobody can talk about people in general without asking them. It's just talking about possible stuff, no more no less.
Hm... that I want to see. Ukraine, go Idol please.
No, thanks. All Ukraine "lovers" can relax, I won't give them such happiness, lol )))
Jury favoured Austria over Sweden whereas in televoting Austria was bottom-2 and Sweden top-2. So I chose this example. However, yes, his gimmick performance must have played a very large role. I think the dancing/staging thing is way more attractive for most viewers than a voice actually. If idol formats want to be successful they definitely should take those abilities under consideration. Usually the candates are just standing and singing something.
Which didn't really save her. Btw, I voted for Austria and for Georgia. One was praised by the juries, another one was pawned. In the end Austria didn't overpass Sweden though and Azerbaijan would be 1st still.
The jury saved Slovenia btw, and I voted for Slovenia in the semi. I wouldn't called Slovenian entry as something that could be preefred by the juries :shock:
As well as Estonia. Also the juries pawned our ballad. The voting was unpredictable. So the "format" doesn't really decide anything.
I think it's more about being commercial and what can be played/promoted all over Europe. Not neccessary "Idol" stuff.
Nevertheless you are right when you say broadcasters feel they would need to copy certain formats that just worked well recently. Although there never is a guarantee and sometimes trying something new or even sticking to a 'loser format' might be more clever. Trends come and go.
I am right because they don't even hide it.
And yes, there's never a guarantee though the best commercial tune can be chosen in any way (the NF - Rybak, "Idol" - El & Nikki/Lena or internally - Bilan, we all know that he was chosen by the channel bosses, lol)... look at all winners since 2008. Only commercial radio hits. All of them were overplayed to bits here. Imo, pre-2008 time was more diverse. From cheesyness or ethno to rock and a ballad.
That's why I like Slovenia - they manage to prepare something different. Maybe not the best sometimes but they don't try to follow some "format" and be like everyone.
So there is more than just one influences, indeed. One also could question why Azerbaijan even stuck so penetrataively to idol and Swedish songwriters? Not coincidentally because they saw what the jury is doing with local flavoured entries? For sure is that they wanted to win badly. Keeping causes and effects strictly apart is impossible.
I don't understand you here because MF is not an Idol format. They take world-wide famous Swedish producers who produce commercial hits, it's not really about Idols. They also prepare their performers in Ukraine all the time - that's because they have long-time connections with our broadcasters and specialists. Our companies help them with the NF and then preparing for ESC here.
You saw yourself that the juries didn't prefer Sweden
so it's not really a positive factor
I admit that I might be a little biassed when it comes to Idol shows. Because I see only how it 'works' here in Germany and it is a complete mess. Musicwise and careerwise. It might be different elsewhere but I prefer experienced musicians who know about their job. And at best those who are popular or accepted so they can represent their country's music scene or culture.
I will do that but I just miss EMA and want as many song-based national finals a possible. They offer much more diversity and the actual masterpieces are very rarely sent.
You know, it's always a mess in big countries like ours because of big competition on our music markets. It's hard for newcomers to avoid "1-hit-wonder" label because usually their producers leave them after the 1st album and start producing people from the next edition
In Ukraine it's different though because we have different producers for each Star Factory. All performers from the 2nd edition became mega famous here, they founded their own agency among with producer and they exist for years and they still release veeery popular singles. For instance one of them recorded a duo with Alyosha and it broke the national record with 20 consecutive weeks at #1. Like 4-5 years after that idol show?
X-Factor... all finalists have been signed by big labels. Some of them were taken by their "coaches" to their agencies, some of them were spotted by big producers, some of them were endorsed by the channel and they host the most rating shows
They have a life after the show and it's more about talents. Btw, music diversity was huge - from ethno, opera and rock to rap, pop and ancient ballads, lol. From African folk to Eskimo :shock:
We had all ESC winners since Maria Serifovic, we had Lara Fabian and numerous ESC-related performers.
All our talent shows are sponsored by art-funds (one of the biggest in Europe), if you talk about music - it's reeeeeally different from American and even British equivalent. It's like having someone's format with our music and our traditions, mixing it with huuuge multi-cultural diversity. From Brazil to Japan. From Ukraine to Australia.
I like this year's EMA. There's something European but in the same time it's adapted to Slovenian music. You can sing Amy Winehouse but still it sounds Slovenian.
