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Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

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    201 52.1%
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    26 6.7%
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    59 15.3%

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theditz83

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Still don't get it. Not sure if it's the Portuguese language (I've always thought it's a bit hit and miss in songs, doesn't sound as pretty as Spanish to my ears), or maybe it's Salvador's odd gestures as he sings...

I dunno, this song just kind of does nothing for me at all. I'm clearly not its main market though, so my opinion here probably doesn't count for much, but rest assured there will be plenty of people switching off after less than a minute of this and heading for the kettle/toilet/biscuit tin/pizza box.
 
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Note that the jury votes haven't been revealed yet - people are just assuming, rightly or wrongly, based on how the performance came across. A good performance in the jury rehearsal is a positive indicator, of course, but I remember seeing a lot of people in 2015 saying 'Italy must have won the jury vote for the final, they were spectacular in that rehearsal!' And we know how that ended: 6th with the jury, giving them 3rd place overall despite a televote win.

^^^
This!
Anything can happend and twists can occur suddenly when nobody expect it. Il Volo's case is a perfect exemple. I thought Italy was the obvious jury winner and Sweden the televote winner, but that was the other way around. I think the same could happen Portugal and this may slay the televote instead which I predict. Or the worst case scenario that Portugal being just borderline. xcry1

Even if we are 100% sure about which country that will be the obvious top 3, but then we got the pleasant surprise which was Lordi's victory.
 

ZoboCamel

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Still don't get it. Not sure if it's the Portuguese language (I've always thought it's a bit hit and miss in songs, doesn't sound as pretty as Spanish to my ears), or maybe it's Salvador's odd gestures as he sings...

I dunno, this song just kind of does nothing for me at all. I'm clearly not its main market though, so my opinion here probably doesn't count for much, but rest assured there will be plenty of people switching off after less than a minute of this and heading for the kettle/toilet/biscuit tin/pizza box.

Not liking the song is perfectly fine - even as a fan of it, I can see how it'd be rather divisive, and I was on the fence for a while myself. But if anything, I'd say polarising opinion tends to be more of a positive than a negative, especially within the Eurovision voting system.

Now, if we assume that someone's rankings in the 12-1 system roughly correspond with their likelihood of voting for a song, we can imagine a scenario of 10 voters where: Portugal is #1 (12P) with 50% of people, and dead last (0P) with the other 50%. Meanwhile, some middle-of-the-road song - let's say Australia - comes 10th (1P) for 100% of people. The end result here is that Portugal sits on 60 points, while Australia is on 10 points, because Portugal instils a more extreme emotional reaction one way or another despite sitting lower on a mean average of people's preferences.

If you think about it, it seems likely that this kind of scenario has been the case with some previous winners. Most notably, Finland 2006, Austria 2014, and Ukraine 2016 were in no way songs that everyone liked; compared to some of the other big favourites, they had smaller fanbases, and a lot of people that hated them. But those who liked their performances really liked them, which meant that a lot of their fans were impressed enough to pick up the phone and vote, as opposed to fans of some other stuff who went 'yeah, this is good, but not enough for me to spam votes for it'.

I'm not saying that's guaranteed to happen this year - I still think Italy has the best shot at winning by far - but Portugal is a real threat, and along similar lines, perhaps Armenia as well.
 

Kashone

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I think the predictions for this actually winning are too exaggerated at this point. To achieve this, it has to do well all around the continent, but i still can't see it getting much points from the East. Especially in the Balkans i don't think it will get more than one digit amount of points in the televote.
 

nudiecrudi

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I m pretty sure he got the juries votes, and I think those votes are all well deserved.
100% that our ( italian) jury gave to Portugal the maximum and hope it will get the same tonight ( i fear Albania because of diaspora )
If it will not be Italy winning this, I would shout P O R T U G A LLLLLL all the way, and i would not be sorry at all because i love this song. I ll vote for him tonight.
Just some rational analyses: It will have a huge impact on western juries, but not that much on eastern ones ( we all know why ). Regarding televote, sadly, being
not an one-shot song will not get as much as it deserves ( mostly by eastern televoters ). I predict something like Italy 2011, winning with juries ( scandinavian juries voted for Eric Saade, ex sovietic juries voted for Azerbajan ) and being 11th with televote. Final result 2°.
 

ag89

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I think the predictions for this actually winning are too exaggerated at this point. To achieve this, it has to do well all around the continent, but i still can't see it getting much points from the East. Especially in the Balkans i don't think it will get more than one digit amount of points in the televote.

I can actually see this doing totally ok in the Balkans and in the east and not doing so good in Scandinavia for example.
 

QwaarJet

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I can actually see this doing totally ok in the Balkans and in the east and not doing so good in Scandinavia for example.

I agree. I think Scandanavian countries will be the biggest hurdle.
 

JonnyWest

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Well, Mans Zelmerlow told yesterday that this is one of his favorite songs of the year, so maybe the nordic juries will appreciate it as well
 

SirPeterGriffin

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So, the moment has finally arrived. And what a journey it has been. I am proud to have these people as representatives of our country, i am proud to keep our culture and be the only country to sing in its language in this semi (unfortunately...) and I am proud to see all the responses of passion and respect from almost everywhere in Europe including former winners. And for that it was necessary to battle really hard but now I believe that this year may be our year. Let me dream! xdroolxdrool
 

lavieenrose

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Oh god, Portugal and Italy top two. That would be the best top two since...2012? 1974? Ever?
 
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