Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

[DanielLuis]

Mess :-)

That was aired immediately after we won. I think people controling what was being broadcast on RTP were still partying hard at that point and weren't paying attention to what they were doing

 

[GRE]

 

[ScarlettGirl]

Mess :-)

I think someone had too much to drink that evening

 

[nikkisback]

I'm so happy that Portugal won after 50 years with an unique and unforgettable song, but his speech about "fast food music" and real art was really pretentious. At the end he would't even dream of getting this much success if he didn't participate in Eurovision.

 

[Laepo1]

I'm so happy that Portugal won after 50 years with an unique and unforgettable song, but his speech about "fast food music" and real art was really pretentious. At the end he would't even dream of getting this much success if he didn't participate in Eurovision.

 

[0scar]

Really good counter argument, I'm really impressed. Nice one.

 

[Laepo1]

Really good counter argument, I'm really impressed. Nice one.

this has been, exhaustively, discussed in this thread and in almost every other thread in this forum and in a couple of other ones. it gets boring.

 

[RainyWoods]

I'm so happy that Portugal won after 50 years with an unique and unforgettable song, but his speech about "fast food music" and real art was really pretentious. At the end he would't even dream of getting this much success if he didn't participate in Eurovision.

Yeah, and where does Salvador shade the Eurovision Song Contest itself? "We live in a world of disposable music, fast food music". He speaks about music as a whole. He wouldn't achieve this success without Eurovision, yes, and that's because commercial radio wouldn't consider giving genuine jazz artists a platform in a gazillion years, and now an understated Portuguese jazz song is charting top 10 in countries across Europe, all because it was finally given a big platform. I imagine he's very grateful to Eurovision. I think he's speaking out against the machine that is the music industry.

 

[A-lister]

Yeah, and where does Salvador shade the Eurovision Song Contest itself? "We live in a world of disposable music, fast food music". He speaks about music as a whole. He wouldn't achieve this success without Eurovision, yes, and that's because commercial radio wouldn't consider giving genuine jazz artists a platform in a gazillion years, and now an understated Portuguese jazz song is charting top 10 in countries across Europe, all because it was finally given a big platform. I imagine he's very grateful to Eurovision. I think he's speaking out against the machine that is the music industry.

We had a discussion about this in the other thread, and I guess it depends on what you read into it, but to many it was pretty much a shade against Eurovision itself aswell because he made it sound like FINALLY real music got some success, and the comment about fireworks etc. is a clear gibe at Eurovision, if you think else-wise I think you are slightly fooling yourself.

 

[RainyWoods]

We had a discussion about this in the other thread, and I guess it depends on what you read into it, but to many it was pretty much a shade against Eurovision itself aswell because he made it sound like FINALLY real music got some success, and the comment about fireworks etc. is a clear gibe at Eurovision, if you think else-wise I think you are slightly fooling yourself.

But as I said before in the other topic, Salvador hadn't even watched Eurovision one time in his life before competing at it. He had no idea what the music was like. He knows what the business is like though.

I think if you take his comments as a dig at Eurovision then you're probably fooling yourself actually, as he has no former knowledge of the contest, or preconceptions. He knows what it's like to live as a jazz musician though, and he knows what music we're fed daily in our lives. People can feel offended at the fact he attacked the way in which music is consumed today, and his dig at music being more than just fireworks, but I think those thinking he's being disrespectful to Eurovision are just looking for more to be offended over. He hasn't said "This is a truly atrocious contest, with awful songs. I'm the best and you all suck". He spoke out against the nature in which music is now consumed (we listen, we throw away) and that he thinks music is about the feels, and wants that back again.

 

[Chorizo]

But as I said before in the other topic, Salvador hadn't even watched Eurovision one time in his life before competing at it. He had no idea what the music was like. He knows what the business is like though.

I think if you take his comments as a dig at Eurovision then you're probably fooling yourself actually, as he has no former knowledge of the contest, or preconceptions. He knows what it's like to live as a jazz musician though, and he knows what music we're fed daily in our lives. People can feel offended at the fact he attacked the way in which music is consumed today, and his dig at music being more than just fireworks, but I think those thinking he's being disrespectful to Eurovision are just looking for more to be offended over. He hasn't said "This is a truly atrocious contest, with awful songs. I'm the best and you all suck". He spoke out against the nature in which music is now consumed (we listen, we throw away) and that he thinks music is about the feels, and wants that back again.

Why do you point out that he hadn't known Eurovision before taking part this year? He was present this year and aware of the performances of his competitors. Maybe he didn't pay attention...

 

[RainyWoods]

Why do you point out that he hadn't known Eurovision before taking part this year? He was present this year and aware of the performances of his competitors. Maybe he didn't pay attention...

Because.... he didn't know anything about Eurovision before taking part? People are saying he came to Eurovision with no respect for it, when actually he came to Eurovision just to present his song, with no knowledge of what the contest was like. Salvador and Luisa complimented songs that took part this year, even acoustically covering a couple of them. His speech wasn't disrespecting the contest. I think it was very clear he was speaking in general. Disrespecting the music industry and how it works? Sure, and good.

 

[Chorizo]

Because.... he didn't know anything about Eurovision before taking part? People are saying he came to Eurovision with no respect for it, when actually he came to Eurovision just to present his song, with no knowledge of what the contest was like. Salvador and Luisa complimented songs that took part this year, even acoustically covering a couple of them. His speech wasn't disrespecting the contest. I think it was very clear he was speaking in general. Disrespecting the music industry and how it works? Sure, and good.

He held his speech only after winning and having found out what Eurovision is all about. He couldn't possibly have missed all those fireworks on stage. Then he went on to make a statement about fireworks and "real music".

 

[A-lister]

But as I said before in the other topic, Salvador hadn't even watched Eurovision one time in his life before competing at it. He had no idea what the music was like. He knows what the business is like though.

I think if you take his comments as a dig at Eurovision then you're probably fooling yourself actually, as he has no former knowledge of the contest, or preconceptions. He knows what it's like to live as a jazz musician though, and he knows what music we're fed daily in our lives. People can feel offended at the fact he attacked the way in which music is consumed today, and his dig at music being more than just fireworks, but I think those thinking he's being disrespectful to Eurovision are just looking for more to be offended over. He hasn't said "This is a truly atrocious contest, with awful songs. I'm the best and you all suck". He spoke out against the nature in which music is now consumed (we listen, we throw away) and that he thinks music is about the feels, and wants that back again.

I'm pretty sure he also took a dig at the general aspect of how the music (commercial) scene looks, but it's not like the guy is living in a bubble, even if he didn't care for Eurovision in the past, he surely must have known something about it (since even the biggest haters of the show have some perception of it), and certainly he heard his competitors. I'm not sure the need to defend him as he was acting pretty nonchalant throughout the Eurovision week, and we can go around in circles but his speech was also in reference to his song winning so yes, it was also a dig at some of his competitors for sure, as far as how intended it was that's something else, but I think you give this guy too much a free ticket here.

 

[A-lister]

He held his speech only after winning and having found out what Eurovision is all about. He couldn't possibly have missed all those fireworks on stage. Then he went on to make a statement about fireworks and "real music".

This, the fireworks comment certainly was a dig at the very contest he won, to me it's pretty obvious since he held the speech right after his win and after experience the whole show. Either he didn't mean it in reference to the show, but then he is extremely clumsy to say the least because saying that in that context surely makes it look like it was a direct dig at some of the contest.

 

[RainyWoods]

He held his speech only after winning and having found out what Eurovision is all about. He couldn't possibly have missed all those fireworks on stage. Then he went on to make a statement about fireworks and "real music".

And fireworks is what we're made to look at today as well, and is the most important ingredient with all pop songs. A style, an image, what you're looking at. What's sparkly and shiny is as much the selling factor as the music we're listening to.

I actually love the show, and whole glitter and glamour of Eurovision, so I don't agree fully with all Salvador said, as we can mix good/fun music with visuals, but we have lost music in it's purest form. It's now today delivered in incredibly cold and plastic packages, made to order. It doesn't come from the heart anymore, unless you go out of your way to look. We're only being served what the three major record labels are manufacturing for us.

This, the fireworks comment certainly was a dig at the very contest he won, to me it's pretty obvious since he held the speech right after his win and after experience the whole show. Either he didn't mean it in reference to the show, but then he is extremely clumsy to say the least because saying that in that context surely makes it look like it was a direct dig at some of the contest.

It was clumsy for sure, but all we can do is make assumptions and guesses, until someone asks him what exactly he meant by it.

 

[Laepo1]

Look,

Salvador doesn't care if you don't like his personality,
Salvador doesn't care if you think he didn't deserve to win,
Salvador doesn't care if you think he was rude to the other contestants,
Salvador doesn't care if you think he was disrespectful with Eurovision,
Salvador doesn't care if you didn't like his speech or his "cheap theatrics"
Salvador doesn't care if you think he is one of the worst winners ever,
Salvador doesn't care if you hate everything about him.

His heart loves for the both of you

(and he got away as a winner, loved by his entire country, breaking the points record and the winner of the jury and televote. maybe he had a lackluster speech but who cares. this reminds me of the American elections, since republicans couldn't get anything else from Hilary Clinton, every conversation had by her haters would be about her emails xD difference is: he already won!)

 

[Chorizo]

Just dropping by to say that I like this song:

 

[Alaska49]

Re: PORTUGAL 2017

i was looking for something else and then

+11111111, Portugal is quite a sure non-qualifier at the moment

Keeping this for the records

the universe literally bended itself backwards to make portugal win just so a shade thrown at gianlucatomoe would be warranted and justified.

you have your instructions for 2018, europe.

 

[ScarlettGirl]

My obsession has taken a new level...
I am trying to learn portugese...