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Poland POLAND 2016 - Michał Szpak - Colour of Your Life

How do you rate the entry?

  • 12

    49 19.3%
  • 10

    15 5.9%
  • 8

    23 9.1%
  • 7

    25 9.8%
  • 6

    19 7.5%
  • 5

    19 7.5%
  • 4

    13 5.1%
  • 3

    13 5.1%
  • 2

    10 3.9%
  • 1

    13 5.1%
  • 0

    55 21.7%

  • Total voters
    254

Mii11

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I know Matt says the polls are meaningless and just a bit of fun, but I disagree. I think this kind of troll voting needs to be stopped, because it would be nice if the polls were a little bit more representative of the actual song.

Why do you assume it is 'troll voting'?
 

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Oh good, people already discussing about how immature and childish the 0's votings are so I don't have to start this topic. Keep going guys :rolleyes:

And I once thought the polls give me a good overview about the crowds opinion of the songs and maybe even a little reference of how songs will do in the ESC (mostly not though) but I guess now the poll became a useless troll tool.

Margaret's song might be good for some of you and this is fine but maybe she should learn how to sing properly before she tries to enter the biggest European stage. We had enough bad singers on Eurovision stage the last few years

one of immature and childish people says hi xwave xwave

but aside from that (yeah, I'm still butthurt from Margaret's loss) I never liked this song and his style from the beginning (I listened to his 2 songs that he want to send as ESC entry, but I am not fond of it. His style is not my glass of orange juice) xshrug

so yeah
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Why do you assume it is 'troll voting'?

Because it obviously is. I'm not saying every single zero is a troll vote, but many of them are. Margaret fans got angry and gave whatever song won instead a zero out of pure rage. Hell, I've done it before, except I changed it to something more correct the next day after I cooled down. Not sure they will. I'm not even defending the song, I think it's completely mediocre, but the troll is strong in this poll.
 

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If you give the 0 points because you really despise the song then please don't feel offended by my post.
I was refering to the people who vented their anger about Margaret's failure by giving 0 to Michal Szpak even though they possibly don't hate the song that much. I think that most people don't simply give away :0:'s easily but only decide for 0 when they really hate the song. At least that's how it's supposed to be
 

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There are still people who are hyping Flophal? o_O Gurls, get some taste!
 

Mii11

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Because it obviously is. I'm not saying every single zero is a troll vote, but many of them are. Margaret fans got angry and gave whatever song won instead a zero out of pure rage. Hell, I've done it before, except I changed it to something more correct the next day after I cooled down. Not sure they will. I'm not even defending the song, I think it's completely mediocre, but the troll is strong in this poll.

The thing is there is no way to prove it. We can say that :fi: 2015 pool was also a troll pool because two favorites lost and a band with very different song won. However we don't know for sure. I don't know if you remember, but Michal's two songs had been considered weak by many even before Margaret's participation was confirmed.
 

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It's not even troll voting, I think it's "waaaaaaah i'm so upset" voting. Makes absolutely no sense how a song like this would have over twice as many zeroes as the next most panned song. Other songs have also been heavily criticized vocally, but haven't achieved anywhere near the amount of zeroes. Oh well, over 50% of people gave at least a 5 mark so it's actually not looking too bad for Michal.
 

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It's not even troll voting, I think it's "waaaaaaah i'm so upset" voting. Makes absolutely no sense how a song like this would have over twice as many zeroes as the next most panned song. Other songs have also been heavily criticized vocally, but haven't achieved anywhere near the amount of zeroes. Oh well, over 50% of people gave at least a 5 mark so it's actually not looking too bad for Michal.

If people are upset, isn't that because the song is bad in their opinion?

Anyway, I don't think this kind of pool is meaningful (Look at what happened to :sl: 2015). It is better to wait and see how well this song will be doing, in e.g. OGAE voting.
 

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I was team Margaret from the very beginning, I think she did well in terms of singing ( I don't understand people saying she cannot sing, that's a way too exaggerated statement). It wasn't perfect, but for a song like this it was just alright. Enough to please the European audience. What can I agree with tho is the fact, that staging wasn't the greatest, but come on... Use your imagination, this could potentially look AMAZING in Sweden!
As of Michal's song. I like it. I liked it from the very beginning. Not as much as Margaret's one, but it is not bad. Yes, it does sound dated, but I don't think it's bad at all. With good staging (I see him in the spotlight at the beginning, some fire in the refrain with good camera angles... Could turn well! :D), this has a chance to do well.

I understand that many of us who were and are #TeamMargaret are pissed now, but it is not fair to be so hateful towards Michal just because he has won. Furthermore, I cannot understand how some of you WISH LAST PLACE IN SEMI just because of that. Are your hearts rotten?
You don't like the song? That is alright, but instead of wasting your time on the hates, support your favorites or do something productive.
 

RainyWoods

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If people are upset, isn't that because the song is bad in their opinion?

Anyway, I don't think this kind of pool is meaningful (Look at what happened to :sl: 2015). It is better to wait and see how well this song will be doing, in e.g. OGAE voting.

Yes, but anger blinds fair judgement. I doubt for instance if this song and performance had won for say Belarus or Moldova that we'd be looking at the same poll right now.
 

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There are still people who are hyping Flophal? o_O Gurls, get some taste!

Yes, in the 12 hours since you departed, the people who liked the song *GASP* still like the song.
 

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I don't hate Michal. If he changes his entry (in the same way that Albania did last year) then I will happily support him. I think he has a big talent and no one can deny that. However I can't stand his repertoire. I wish Poland would end up in last place because I think this song is bad and I would like to get rid of stupid stereotypes that ballad+powerful voice=victory at Eurovision. Also if this fails, then TVP will be more likely to return to Internal Selection, which is better way (and much safer) of choosing artists IMO.
 

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I wish Poland would end up in last place because I think this song is bad and I would like to get rid of stupid stereotypes that ballad+powerful voice=victory at Eurovision.

This statement itself just proves, how much negativity you have within yourself. Even for the most disliked entry by me I would NEVER EVER wish for it last place in semi. I would be pissed, if for example that disliked entry went thru instead of a song I believed, deserved to qualify more, but wishing last place in semi? For what? :|

And as of your second point, just look at last year; Sweden vs Italy; in normal case, almost EVERYONE would probably say, that Italy will score with Juries. And look what happened ;)
 

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Sad to see Margaret go, but I don't really feel as strongly on this one way or another as some other people do. Yeah, she was my favourite of the NF, and I'd have liked to see her at Eurovision, but more in a 'this is pretty good I guess, 8/12' way than an 'OMG, Eurovision winner 2016' way. So I was a little bummed to see her lose out, yeah, but there have been plenty of other NFs this season leaving me with more of a bitter taste in my mouth than this one did. Michal's song is... alright, I guess. It doesn't amaze me, though I can see why people would love it given the theatrics, and I will always have some level of admiration for any song that goes for the double pitch change. Plus, his vocals were far and away the best of the NF. Overall I'd say it's a 5 for me at the moment, but maybe verging on a 6.

The huge mound of 0s definitely seems like a bit of an overreaction. Sure, I can get not liking the song, but doesn't a zero imply that the song is essentially the worst possible kind of dreck, an unsalvageable mess without a single redeeming factor? That... really doesn't seem applicable here (or, at the very least, it feels unlikely that that would be the honest reaction of one in three people). I'm all for seeing a range of opinions and scores, but somehow that huge focus on the 0/12 scores here seems less like a reaction to the song itself and more like people are trying to get some kind of petty vengeance on the song that beat their favourite.
 

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I think at the end Poland made the best possible choice.
I am superfan of "Cool me down", the radio edit is a nasty naughy bomb to let your speakers blood... the problem that live is very very very weak. Not because Margaret is a bad singer but she cannot stand like singing "Candle in The wind"... she's not trasmitting at all that she can't be"Cool me down"... We had many many examples of great performances with average songs (the first one that comes to me is last year Serbia's Bojana Stamenov where the song is average but the live was amazing and powerful).
About Edyta Górniak, her was the best performance and her voice is amazing... but he song is incredibily forgetful...
I listen to it.... 25-30 times, maybe... 35... I still cannot remember it... even just one small part of it.... how can she impress european audience with just 1 listening???
For sure Michał Szpak song is good, not oustanding, but I can easily list at least 10 worster songs from this year. He is able not to pass unnoticed. Not fancy, but all red dressed people, long hair, at least people will remember him for sure and at all he's also a good singer.
Last to quote is Lustra by Natalie Szroeder: I'm fan of songs to be sung on eachone language and she was very very good, my third coice after Margareth and Michał Szpak
 

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Just because we don't like the song, doesn't make us immature.

Yes, i would have awarded him the same sweet zero even if he was an internal choice with no sign of Margaret.
 

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Wow, last time I have checked odds, Poland was 11th, right after mighty Jamala from Ukraine, but now we are 6th! :eek: xfaint :mrgreen:

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Wow, last time I have checked odds, Poland was 11th, right after mighty Jamala from Ukraine, but now we are 6th! :eek: xfaint :mrgreen:

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I wonder how many people will suddenly find the bookies' opinions irrelevant :rolleyes:
 
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