North Macedonia NORTH MACEDONIA 2019 - Tamara Todevska - Proud

[shameless]

The surprise of the evening! I am so happy for her, the curse is broken! And the trend with unsuccessful-returning artists redeeming themselves with better placements continues after Poli and Sunstroke Projekt.

 

[Carian]

Macedonia also won the Slovenian televote, beating Serbia, which actually quite surprised me.

 

[blue00eyes]

Wow anything [MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION] wrote about this entry I could copy and paste to the thread of Serbia.

 

[Swedenvision]

I really liked this! Happy that the juries awarded her with high points!

 

[Ezio]

Apparently, for the dismissed jury votes of Belarus the average jury votes of its allcocation drawing pot was used (average of Georgia, Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan). But not the Top 10, but the Bottom 10. WTF, right?

This means, North Macedonia lost 10 jury points and Sweden lost 2, due to this irresponsible, random allocation of scores.

This means, North Macedonia is the actual winner of a fair jury voting.

 

[aletem]

Tamara topped the highest televoting result in a two semi system. She got 84 points, which is highest ever.
1. Tamara 2019 - 84
2. Tamara 2008 - 64
3. Kaliopi 2012 - 63

Speaking of more stats, this is by far the best jury result in both semi-final and final.

In terms of televoting in the final, Tamara didn't top that, but it is in the top3 results so far
1. Kaliopi 2012 - 79
2. Karolina 2007 - 74
3. Tamara 2019 - 58

Shame that Macedonia didn't award Serbia with any jury points and those jury idiots should feel ashamed, especially coz Darko Dimitrov composed/arranged "Kruna".

Macedonia also won the Slovenian televote, beating Serbia, which actually quite surprised me.

Lot of people moved out of the country (to Germany, but also Slovenia) and on top of that there are students who go to study in Ljubljana. Add to the fact that Nevena isn't a Serbian super star, the outcome is not surprising.

 

[Carian]

Tamara topped the highest televoting result in a two semi system. She got 84 points, which is highest ever.
1. Tamara 2019 - 84
2. Tamara 2008 - 64
3. Kaliopi 2012 - 63

Speaking of more stats, this is by far the best jury result in both semi-final and final.

In terms of televoting in the final, Tamara didn't top that, but it is in the top3 results so far
1. Kaliopi 2012 - 79
2. Karolina 2007 - 74
3. Tamara 2019 - 58

Shame that Macedonia didn't award Serbia with any jury points and those jury idiots should feel ashamed, especially coz Darko Dimitrov composed/arranged "Kruna".


Lot of people moved out of the country (to Germany, but also Slovenia) and on top of that there are students who go to study in Ljubljana. Add to the fact that Nevena isn't a Serbian super star, the outcome is not surprising.

Alatem, you are wrong in this case. Serbia is always on our Slovenian "radar", whereas we kinda like to "forget" of Macedonians as well as of Montenegrins. And despite the big Macedonian diaspora here, Serbians outnumber Macedonians by far. So, the diaspora cannot be the only reason why Slovenian televote awarded 12 points to Tamara. In any case, I am glad. We also gave 7 points to Montenegro in semis. Although Montenegro always ignores us... Like this year.

 

[Ewigkeit]

She was so sweet after hearing her televoting score

Her reaction was... priceless

 

[Citelis]

So its official now that North Macedonia won the jury vote and came 7th overall.

 

[njdevils94]

This needs to go viral!

 

[Mainshow]

Congrats, Tamara!!!
Loveley to see North Macedonia winning the jury vote!

 

[A-lister]

I can see this winning a jury vote in ESC 1992 during the heights of the ballad trend back then... but 2019? For real? I mean if people like it it's fine, but if so called "professionals" award a bland dated clichéd ballad that doesn't bring anything musically interesting to the contest and is completely chanceless in the "real world", then we do have a huge credibility issue in ESC (well we had a long time since the juries were brought back, and we had back in those days when juries were ruling the contest alone as well when only dated ballads won almost each year too). So she can sing? Well ok, but this isn't American Idol or The Voice... Duncan can also sing, in fact his vocals are more interesting, add to that that his song is more memorable, more contemporary, has a better composition and actually could bring an ESC winner to the masses for a change... no but then let some "professionals" decide that a more dated forgettable piece is the way to go!

 

[Yoozek]

A bland dated clichéd ballad that doesn't bring anything musically interesting to the contest

In your opinion, not theirs

in fact his vocals are more interesting

In your opinion, not theirs

his song is more memorable, more contemporary, has a better composition

In your opinion, not theirs

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ffs, That's the point of Eurovision. They vote for what they like. Just like you can. What you've said is basically "People can vote for San Marino or Macedonia cause their songs are shit, while the juries should vote for best, most professional entry there is".
Which - in case you didn't get it - differs for each person. Crying over and over because someone gave more points to the song you like less than to the song you like more (and accusing these people of lack of professionalism while openly raging at their opinions that are different than yours) - I though this forum had some kind of age verification system. I guess not.


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On the other hand, this is exactly what I'd call professional performance.
Just a piano, some strings and the voice (and that horrible dress) - audience is slayed, I am slayed, my friends are slayed, juries are slayed.

 

[Ezio]

I don't think neither that the song nor the staging were particularly impressive.
But it really felt good to see North Macedonia soar in the scores.

Maybe that is what jurors felt as well: Let's vote for North Macedonia because it feels good (politically correct).

Underdog country, female empowerment message, flawless vocals, and a singer who felt her own song.

The result is also an empowerment for all the underdog countries. Eurovision is for everyone.

 

[Stiven]

I can see this winning a jury vote in ESC 1992 during the heights of the ballad trend back then... but 2019? For real? I mean if people like it it's fine, but if so called "professionals" award a bland dated clichéd ballad that doesn't bring anything musically interesting to the contest and is completely chanceless in the "real world", then we do have a huge credibility issue in ESC (well we had a long time since the juries were brought back, and we had back in those days when juries were ruling the contest alone as well when only dated ballads won almost each year too). So she can sing? Well ok, but this isn't American Idol or The Voice... Duncan can also sing, in fact his vocals are more interesting, add to that that his song is more memorable, more contemporary, has a better composition and actually could bring an ESC winner to the masses for a change... no but then let some "professionals" decide that a more dated forgettable piece is the way to go!

While I do agree that jury reform is needed and that should have won the jury vote (which actually quite close to winning) you're using your opinion way too much as a fact here, first off almost everything you said here could also apply to (the tele-voting winner ) dated cliche banal but I don't see you calling them out for that . And also by the way I don't know about the music industry outside of but songs like proud are actually quite popular right now and if it wasn't for the English language I wouldn't be surprised to see proud on Tamara (who is currently our best selling female artist) latest album even without Eurovision so calling it dated is a bit of a question.

 

[lavieenrose]

I can see this winning a jury vote in ESC 1992 during the heights of the ballad trend back then... but 2019? For real? I mean if people like it it's fine, but if so called "professionals" award a bland dated clichéd ballad that doesn't bring anything musically interesting to the contest and is completely chanceless in the "real world", then we do have a huge credibility issue in ESC (well we had a long time since the juries were brought back, and we had back in those days when juries were ruling the contest alone as well when only dated ballads won almost each year too). So she can sing? Well ok, but this isn't American Idol or The Voice... Duncan can also sing, in fact his vocals are more interesting, add to that that his song is more memorable, more contemporary, has a better composition and actually could bring an ESC winner to the masses for a change... no but then let some "professionals" decide that a more dated forgettable piece is the way to go!

Oh inject this straight into my veins

(Also Duncan *did* win Eurovision? I know you complaining but maybe a little hard to argue that he was hard done by by the people who made the Eurovision results happen)

 

[BorisBubbles]

in all fairness, I do NOT agree that Tamara should WIN the jury vote (the song is way too stripped down to ever get my personal seal of approval), but you can't argue that Tamara didn't do her utmost to outsell herself; Let her have her cake and eat it. I prefer John by a mile but I'll gladly support a case of Underdog Eats Overdog any day. Same reason why I'm chuffed KEiiNO beat Duncan in the televote.

 

[BorisBubbles]

Also Duncan Jamala'ing it harder than Jamala did is a good thing! His win wasn't handed to him on a silver platter, he literally won due to concensus and if that isn't European, then what is?

 

[Clinty]

My conspiracy theory is to believe the belarusian votes were fucked on purpose solely to make it a Sweden vs Netherlands race just so john's reaction could be made into a gif

 

[Alaska49]

are we going to go there? then we are going to go there: tamara IMO is a much better jury winner than césar in every aspect. stronger performer, more unique composition (since neither is particularly modern or ground breaking), stronger and current (but at the same time timeless) message, and most importantly she did all of that with no big musical connections which we all know are jury advantages. for all the limitations jury have, this was one of the better outcomes we could get.

also, not the first time i point this out, and probably not the last: a-lister, at some point you will have to choose between complaining about juries rewarding dated and not modern songs or complaining about juries rewarding "anglovision". you can't play both teams. you just cannot. wanting too much modernisation necessarily means opening the door to american trends, and there is no way around it. the way i see it, the door is already way too open for them, and it's not even open. give me proud any day.