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I honestly dont understand this thread at all. The Azerbaijani media is upset that the BBC is reporting negative stuff about their country and so they've complained the EBU about it? Is that it? Really? This is the most childish thing I've heard in a while.
 

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How can it damage the contest in the first place. The actual venue hasn't been signed off so it's about the BBC detailing news of a construction site in Azerbaijan. If you host an international event the world media's gaze will surely follow.
 

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If Azerbaijan don't want bad international press then don't do things that are immoral!
 

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If Azerbaijan don't want bad international press then don't do things that are immoral!

Pretty much this.

The BBC were well within their rights to do those articles and highlight severe human rights issues in the country hosting ESC. The Azeri media need to back the hell off.
 

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I think it is annoying because BBC never ever reports any neutral or positive news, they only report negative news about Azerbaijan. Certainly BBC doesn't balance it and even if you read the Azerbaijan's profile that's published on the their website is also negative.
When Azerbaijan won the ECS in may last year, BBS reported: "surprisingly former Soviet county Azerbaijan won the contest".
 

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If Azerbaijan don't want bad international press then don't do things that are immoral!
The BBC. The only source of teh global truth in the universe :cool:


I honestly dont understand this thread at all. The Azerbaijani media is upset that the BBC is reporting negative stuff about their country and so they've complained the EBU about it? Is that it? Really? This is the most childish thing I've heard in a while.

Negative? Rather insinuated "sensation".
Before writing such stuff they could at least check the facts. And yes, that construction has absolutely nothing to do with Eurovision. In fact those people have been already informed 1 year ago. Since Eurovision 2012 has been mentioned the BBC has to answer xshrug


former Soviet county
The attitude speaks for itself. Even after 21 years.
Though it's not the biggest wtf. 1 radio host @ BBC Radio 2 called Maria Serifovic "that Sheshbian leshbian" :lol: Not saying about Terry Wogan etc. There are many good people who care about ESC though :D
 
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I think it is annoying because BBC never ever reports any neutral or positive news, they only report negative news about Azerbaijan. Certainly BBC doesn't balance it and even if you read the Azerbaijan's profile that's published on the their website is also negative.
When Azerbaijan won the ECS in may last year, BBS reported: "surprisingly former Soviet county Azerbaijan won the contest".
As people have very well said before, QwaarJet, Cole... if you dont want negative press attention, dont do things that warrant it :).
And you read too much into things, 'former Soviet country...' was used to describe Azerbaijan in order to explain to people who may not be geographical experts as to the whereabouts of Azerbaijan. Everyone here knows where the USSR was and Russia is, so it's just an easy way to describe it. As for surprising, I doubt that was used, especially seeing as the evil British media thinks that Soviet countries always win Eurovision!
 

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As people have very well said before, QwaarJet, Cole... if you dont want negative press attention, dont do things that warrant it :).
And you read too much into things, 'former Soviet country...' was used to describe Azerbaijan in order to explain to people who may not be geographical experts as to the whereabouts of Azerbaijan. Everyone here knows where the USSR was and Russia is, so it's just an easy way to describe it. As for surprising, I doubt that was used, especially seeing as the evil British media thinks that Soviet countries always win Eurovision!
And what did they do? Informed people like more than 1 year ago? Then any civilized country is "guilty". So far there's not any single reliable source so taking just 1 side is a lil' bit.... weird ;)


as for geographical lame excuse ... This is the age of the I-net. If you don't know where Azerbaijan is, go and check it ;)
I will send them a calendar and modern world map :geek:
 
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And what did they do? Informed people ike more than 1 year ago? Then any civilized country is "guilty". So far there's not any single reliable source so taking just 1 side is a lil' bit.... weird ;)
The BBC would not deliberately misprint an article, they would print it based on the belief that it was correct. In any case, I am yet to know how it is a year old, because of what the interviewed said, but there was also an article with no doubts about its date, on gay rights. As for criticising media's, why are you not bothered about the lies which were printed last week about the United Kingdom and the matter that the EBU had sent a warning letter to us?? That was a cheap attempt at starting a media war, and was a complete and utter lie, I personally feel that we are not wanted there which is completely against the ideals of Eurovision. In Moscow for instance, the British media published concerns that it had about gay rights and the gay pride, but it did not cause a problem between Russia and the UK and in fact the Russians welcomed us more warmly than they did perhaps to any other delegation competing.

as for geographical lame excuse - This is the age of the I-net. If you don't know where Azerbaijan is, go and check it ;)
I will send them a calendar and modern world map :geek:
You talk about it as if people should or shouldnt know this and that. What people should know is irrelevant. It is what people do know. When you're writing an article then you are doing it to inform people and if that involved calling it a former Soviet country then so be it. I dont suppose for instance many Azeri's know the whereabouts of the Falkland Islands, does it mean they're offensive to Britain? Of course not, that'd be stupid to even think! And I dont see the problem in any case, because it is a former Soviet country.
 

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The BBC would not deliberately misprint an article, they would print it based on the belief that it was correct.
uhuh, in other words the BBC can't even make a mistake. It's always right, it never fails.


As for criticising media's, why are you not bothered about the lies which were printed last week about the United Kingdom and the matter that the EBU had sent a warning letter to us??
Show me the source @ EBU's site that denies it.


You talk about it as if people should or shouldnt know this and that. What people should know is irrelevant. It is what people do know. When you're writing an article then you are doing it to inform people and if that involved calling it a former Soviet country then so be it. I dont suppose for instance many Azeri's know the whereabouts of the Falkland Islands, does it mean they're offensive to Britain? Of course not, that'd be stupid to even think! And I dont see the problem in any case, because it is a former Soviet country.
Actually I was talking about the BBC and your personal insinuation is offensive till the limit for me.
I don't believe that it was done for informative purpose. Then why not saying East Europe or Caucasian area? A lot of readers do not know about USSR )))
 
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uhuh, in other words the BBC can't even make a mistake. It's always right, it never fails.
No I didnt say that, Im saying they wouldnt deliberately misprint an article. A mistake (which if it was wrong, is what it was) is very different to deliberate slander (as was accused last week).

Actually I was talking about the BBC and your personal insinuation is offensive till the limit for me.
I don't believe that it was done for informative purpose. Then why not saying East Europe or Caucasian area? A lot of readers do not know about USSR )))
Well why else would it be done? Just add in 'former Soviet' for the good of their health? I understand it is important to you, but the fact is that in the United Kingdom, which the articles of the BBC are printed for, the Soviet Union and Communism, etc, are really a non-issue nowadays. Nobody cares about what happened over 2 decades ago, nobody cares about that there used to be mis-trust. But people do care about the situation today, which is why if it is believed that human rights or gay rights are not properly upheld, there will be articles printed about it here. Such issues are important to people in the United Kingdom today.
As for other names, Azerbaijan isnt really in Eastern Europe and I doubt many know where the Caucasian area is. If I wasnt such a geography geek at school I probably wouldnt know :lol:.

As for the warning letter, it was referred to earlier in this thread. It is fairly clear that the Azeri media do not want us to take part in 'their contest'.
 
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^ I don't divide mistakes. Mistakes are mistakes. So far it's based on people's opinions, quotes... I'd love to see copies of documents. Because to me it sounds like 3 families want to get a bigger compensation because of this scandal (pretty wide spread thing btw). Imo it would cleared the situation very much.

Why should it be done? What's the point in associating it with USSR instead of refering to it as as a sovereign state? "Former Soviet republic" is everything but "the situation today" :lol: If nobody cares about what happened 2 decades ago then what's the point in using "Soviet"? :lol:

As for gays - quoting just 1 man doesn't show the situation in Azerbaijan. Rather hinting that everything is like that in Azerbaijan. Show the real situation! Show their LGBT! What's the point in using just negativity? Show all sides ;)

As for other names, Azerbaijan isnt really in Eastern Europe and I doubt many know where the Caucasian area is. If I wasnt such a geography geek at school I probably wouldnt know :lol:.
I lol'd. Almost all maps show Azerbaiajn as a part of E.Europe. Maybe someone doesn't want to recognize it - just another indication of the attitude.
As for Caucasian area.. maybe it's time to start learning, finally? ;)
 

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Azerbaijan isnt really in Eastern Europe

I think it is in Eastern Europe

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Anyway, closer to the subject.
http://wagonlog.com/new-baku-suburbian-roads.php

The tender for this road was announced in March 2011. Why does the BBC say that this construction is connected to ESC is a mystery to me (when it's not even close to the venue lol).

They don't, and on the news article in reference to Azerbaijan's win they don't use the phrase 'former Soviet' once. As I said above allow the media to gaze upon you comments will be made good and bad.
 

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They don't, and on the news article in reference to Azerbaijan's win they don't use the phrase 'former Soviet' once. As I said above allow the media to gaze upon you comments will be made good and bad.
Yeh, I also find it funny how the United Kingdom is being criticised for news articles, perhaps it would be better for people to criticised human rights and gay rights abuses! :geek:
 

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I think it is in Eastern Europe
Okay sure, but I what I meant is that it's not in the part of Europe that people traditionally think of Eastern Europe ie from the German border to Moscow.

but anyway as penguinperson points out, the term 'former Soviet' was never used in any case, so I guess that's a non-issue + also another lie against us!
 
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