New/returning countries

[MyHeartIsYours]

Bravery for what exactly? Clans fighting a dictator with the intention of installing a new dictatorship? (Sharia-law is already written in the new provisional constitution).

Thank you but no thanks. I can't picture any of the North-African countries currently in Eurovision (with a slight exception for maybe Morocco or Tunisia).

Anyway I stick to my firm believe that Eurovision is already big as it is and all the geographical European countries (and the few extra we got) is just about enough before making it way too big for its own good.

I also stick to my opinion about it's being a European contest (hello the name speaks for itself!?) (meaning the countries and not necessarily nationalities of performers just to make things clear) and I don't think it should be used as some political tool (it's already too much of that already).

I wasnt being totally serious . As I've said before I agree with your view that Eurovision should be European . I cant support Morocco re-joining ever again not because I have anything against them but because they are not geographically or culturally European. If they were allowed to join, then any other North African/Middle Eastern country would have to be allowed also, and in a way, the thought of the Pyramids and Petra in Eurovision sounds romantic, I think it would mean Eurovision would loose it's purpose and charm.
I'll throw another country into the hat though, they are quite far from Europe but culturally they are associated with Portugal and politically they are hoping to one day join the EU, moving closer to Europe all the time. Cape Verde .

 

[Loukas]

I think Liechtenstein will debut in the near future.
Luxembourg? I'm not sure yet. Maybe they'll come back when the ESC will be held in the Netherlands or Belgium.

 

[Nikoreindeer1973]

I hope for Vaduz or San Marino 2013.

 

[RomanFromRussia]

I hope for Vaduz or San Marino 2013.

I Hope for this too

 

[CPV4931]

Yes, Pro Vaduz 2013 :-)

I could travel by car ^^

 

[A-lister]

I wasnt being totally serious . As I've said before I agree with your view that Eurovision should be European . I cant support Morocco re-joining ever again not because I have anything against them but because they are not geographically or culturally European. If they were allowed to join, then any other North African/Middle Eastern country would have to be allowed also, and in a way, the thought of the Pyramids and Petra in Eurovision sounds romantic, I think it would mean Eurovision would loose it's purpose and charm.
I'll throw another country into the hat though, they are quite far from Europe but culturally they are associated with Portugal and politically they are hoping to one day join the EU, moving closer to Europe all the time. Cape Verde .

I see

Well that's why I reacted because I remembered our previous discussions on the subject and that we have a similar opinion on this.

Cap Verde? lol.

Well, I think it should be kept as it is and I can only see the other geographical European countries that has yet to enter once debuting. It has to do with the whole concept of Eurovision, but also not to make it ridiculously too big for its own good.

 

[CC92]

^ I do not see the problem. Eurovision is defined and limited already. It is similar to but not identical to the geographical Europe and it never was. I mean, why not to have for example arabic countries in? They could contribute to more diversity and excitement. Probably bring fresh spirit and encouragement as the Easteners did in the 00's. I would not advise them to enter exactly now because of the current situation that would not do them a favour but that is a different story. In general I welcome every EBU member taking part.

 

[A-lister]

^ I do not see the problem. Eurovision is defined and limited already. It is similar to but not identical to the geographical Europe and it never was. I mean, why not to have for example arabic countries in? They could contribute to more diversity and excitement. Probably bring fresh spirit and encouragement as the Easteners did in the 00's. I would not advise them to enter exactly now because of the current situation that would not do them a favour but that is a different story. In general I welcome every EBU member taking part.

Because it's EUROvision and not EUROABIA/WORLDvision simply. Atleast that's my personal opinion.

Also, I think it would get too big for its own good.

 

[Yamarus]

Eurovision is the brand that the EBU uses. It's not related to geographical Europe but to the European Broadcasting Area. The Eurovision Song Contest is an EBU event and as such, any EBU member should be entitled to participate if it wishes so.

 

[A-lister]

Eurovision is the brand that the EBU uses. It's not related to geographical Europe but to the European Broadcasting Area. The Eurovision Song Contest is an EBU event and as such, any EBU member should be entitled to participate if it wishes so.

I know this very well, but it doesn't change my opinion though.

And Eurovision was created back in the day as an entertainment project of brining the European broadcasters together (with the help of EBU: one out of many projects created after WW2 to bring this continent together).

Although now EBU has grown, I still think there's a history to this concept not to be forgotten.

But it seems there will always be two sides on this issue: one believing there's no limit for the growth of Eurovision, and one that basically wants to keep it more close to its roots. I can't help but belonging to the second one.

 

[PeterLPZ]

Eurovision is the brand that the EBU uses. It's not related to geographical Europe but to the European Broadcasting Area. The Eurovision Song Contest is an EBU event and as such, any EBU member should be entitled to participate if it wishes so.

I agree with you.

 

[Sabiondo]

The rules at Eurovision Song contest had been changed. If a channel is in the process of becoming an EBU member, they can already apply for Eurovision even if they’re not a full member yet. The deadline to send in the needed application papers was the beginning of december. Due to this new rule, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Liechtenstein, Palestine, the Morroco 2TV, even Scottland may have apply for Eurovision and in case their application to become an EBU member is accepted already, could participate in the Eurovision Song Contest as well.

http://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/morocco-return-to-eurovision-still-possible/

 

[bubblingtrue]

Would love to see Luxembourg back...

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

The United Kingdom and Scandinavian countries are demanding that all Eurovision participants must be democratic, and that no dictatorships must ever participate (that would rule out the participation of all Arabic and North African nations apart from Iraq and possibly Libya/Egypt, as well as current participants Azerbaijan and Belarus).
The details of the new rules have been presented at a meeting attended by representatives of the national broadcasters of Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland.
In addition, the United Kingdom and Austria are in favour of further tightening the rules with new ethical standards by giving the EBU the right to exclude existing members or prevent them from participating in the Eurovision Song Contest if they are in breach of human rights and democracy.

The proposals will be discussed and voted at the EBU conference in Strasbourg in late June.

Source - Belgovision


If this happens it will be brilliant! It's a way overdue addition to the rules imo!

 

[Sean]

^ But that goes against the EBU's ethos of Eurovision being apolitical

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Human rights aren't political!

 

[AlekS]

In addition, the United Kingdom and Austria are in favour of further tightening the rules with new ethical standards by giving the EBU the right to exclude existing members or prevent them from participating in the Eurovision Song Contest if they are in breach of human rights and democracy.

Human rights aren't political!

Nope they are.
Please avoid posting discriminative political subjects in ESC sub-forums in the future.

^ But that goes against the EBU's ethos of Eurovision being apolitical

Exactly

 

[rajo]

Where did my post go about the ARD vs. EBU?