New/returning countries

[CC92]

Probably one year Kosovo entering, the year after Serbia, and so on?

 

[Milos-BC]

It is. Unrecognized status of the country doesn't change this fact. You don't get what I mean.

The only fact is that we don't watch Kosovo in any international competitions (if we discount one participation of Miss Kosovo on the Miss Universe competition, but I better not say how it happened that Kosovo took part there.), we don't watch it on ESC, and that is the only fact. I can say tomorrow that Izmir is a country, and that we will only wait for it to get recognized as a country, the fact is that it is a country because I and my fellow school classmates said so

Only "Kosovo" or Serbia as a whole will participate in ESC, no other way. For me personally, second option is better, as Kosovo is already in ESC in that case.

 

[elvisontheisland]

The only fact is that we don't watch Kosovo in any international competitions (if we discount one participation of Miss Kosovo on the Miss Universe competition, but I better not say how it happened that Kosovo took part there.), we don't watch it on ESC, and that is the only fact. I can say tomorrow that Izmir is a country, and that we will only wait for it to get recognized as a country, the fact is that it is a country because I and my fellow school classmates said so

Only "Kosovo" or Serbia as a whole will participate in ESC, no other way. For me personally, second option is better, as Kosovo is already in ESC in that case.

You're right, sure, Kosovo hasn't participated in a lot of international competitions yet, but they don't have to just to be recognized as a sovereign state.

I don't think a Serb would ever say something like

Well, y'know, they take part in Eurovision by themselves, now we recognize them as independent.

The unfortunate thing is, that, at least from my minimal political knowledge about the Kosovan conflict, the people actually want independence of Serbia. It is the Serbian government that makes that undertaking so much more difficult, which actually surprises me, because of how many splits-off Serbia (or dare I say the remainders of Yugoslavia) have already had to experience over the past 15-20 years.

I don't want to offend Serbia or Serbs in any way, but what was once Yugoslavia is no more. State seperations happen anytime all over the world (South Sudan being a commendable instance), why not just let it be? Is it any resources? Strategically important borders? Or simply envy of land?

I didn't intend to make this into a political discussion, but since we've already started...

I wouldn't mind Kosovo taking part in the ESC, so long as it doesn't influence Serbia's participation and if so, both should be excluded, to be perfectly honest. Eurovision is not about political mini-dose aftershocks, it's about music. Period.

 

[goktengri]

The only fact is that we don't watch Kosovo in any international competitions (if we discount one participation of Miss Kosovo on the Miss Universe competition, but I better not say how it happened that Kosovo took part there.), we don't watch it on ESC, and that is the only fact. I can say tomorrow that Izmir is a country, and that we will only wait for it to get recognized as a country, the fact is that it is a country because I and my fellow school classmates said so

Only "Kosovo" or Serbia as a whole will participate in ESC, no other way. For me personally, second option is better, as Kosovo is already in ESC in that case.

Comparing it with a city ? Kosovo has a government which was chosen by elections, it has a parliament, it has a constitution, it has judiciary etc. they all are necessary for working functions of a state. Kosovo fullfils the requirements of being a state. Recognize it or not, it is a independent state at all. That's what you ignore.

 

[Milos-BC]

^^ You ignore the fact that it is not chosen by elections. Kosovo didn't become what is now because people wanted so, but because of a political interest of the world leaders. And even with that, a majority of countries still doesn't recognize them, and as such, we won't see them in ESC or in any other international competition under regular conditions.

 

[escYOUnited]

Please remember that this is not the place to discuss politics. Your opinion on the Kosovo vs Serbia conflict should be discussed HERE

 

[eerik]

I would not mind seeing European countries returning/debuting to the contest, but I do not want to see any African or Asian country returning/debuting. No offence, but we already have enough transcontinental/non-European countries. I also don't want to see any political issues, so no Kosovo.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Kosovo should join, whether or not they are recognised by other countries doesnt matter. Israel isnt recognised by many for example. And also, there are many countries with territorial disputes who manage to be part of Eurovision together (UK and Spain, Russia and Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia) so I dont see why Serbia and Kosovo should not be able to do the same.

 

[goktengri]

Kosovo should join, whether or not they are recognised by other countries doesnt matter. Israel isnt recognised by many for example. And also, there are many countries with territorial disputes who manage to be part of Eurovision together (UK and Spain, Russia and Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia) so I dont see why Serbia and Kosovo should not be able to do the same.

The best example is Turkey and Cyprus. We don't recognize them but I could be able to vote for Republic of Cyprus in 2010 PM said '' There is no a state Republic of Cyprus, we don't recognize it '' but we can see the name and the flag in state's television

Well, when somebody sees eurovision as just fun and music, others like to pollute it with their political interests. Personally I don't accept Cyprus too but I have no problem with them in eurovision. But some people are not so grown...

 

[Matt]

RTK has shown interest into obtaining active EBU membership. However, they have yet to fulfil all the criteria set by the EBU for admission.

We shouldn't discussing if Kosovo should or should not join, that's not for us to decide or judge. Fact is that Kosovo cannot join EBU at this point so there is no need to argue about it. Once they will they are going to be able to join the contest. Until then I don't really see the purpose of discussing this.

Once membership has been approved Kosovo will be eligible to enter the contest. And again, it's not our place to decide if it's right or wrong.

 

[Sabiondo]

Ohh if Kosovo take part.. Why not South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Transnistria ..?? If Kosovo came to be accepted in the EBU, they would also automatically eligible to compete ... and you know that meant if that happen :twisted:

 

[Interrail]

Oh, this was debated so many times here (Kosovo), I can't understand ppl think Kosovo can join ESC, in situation when RTK itself doesn't meet criteria for EBU. One thing is what u want, and another thing is what u can.
@GokTengri - many regions and cities (actually all that I know in Europe) have its government and parliament but it doesn't make them a state.
@elvisontheisland - Kosovo had always been part of Serbia, not a separate republic in Yugoslavia. That's a big difference that ppl like to ignore.
As for Kosovo - I try to be realist, I know Serbia isn't influential or anything, and EBU will not ask Serbia for opinion, but there r many other countries who don't recognize Kosovo either, and they take part in ESC...(Greece, Cyprus, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Spain, Romania, Slovakia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Armenia, Israel, Russia), why and how would they vote for a 'county' that they don't recognize?? That's crazy.
@Sabiondo - u right. If Kosovo can join ESC, than automatically other break away provinces should be able to (Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia), they also have governments and parliaments, limited recognition and don't meet EBU criteria.
I think Kosovo can join one day in future, but they should be fully recognized country, like others...part of UN, and every agreement is possible with Serbia as long it's a FAIR agreement (not what it is now). And in this Serbia is extremely flexible, but every agreement needs 2 sides.

And moreover, even if Kosovo is 100% fully totally independent and 100% recognized...I would prefer Albania+Kosovo to compete in ESC as 1 country. Because it is 1 Albanian nation, same language and everything.....and no need for 1 nation to participate twice. With this system...for example...Germany could participate 5 times and more if they count every federal state and Russia 10 times per year.
1 nation = 1 song.
1 nation shouldn't be represented by 2 songs in ESC.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I agree with what Altug has written. He's said that his country participates with Cyprus, a country they do not recognise, so why cant some of the EBU members particpate with a member they dont recognise either? That's right. As I said before, there are many countries with territorial disputes which participate together in Eurovision but it shouldnt make a difference because Eurovision isnt a political event. And what about the countries that do recognise Kosovo, do their opinions not count as much as those that dont?
Im not mentioning my political view on Kosovo, I've already said it in the politics forum, but I cant say it's okay for a European country which is well within the boundaries of political, geographical and cultural Europe to be not allowed to join. As for the other countries/regions/etc, I think they should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. You cant say that all the situations are the same.

Also, Kosovo is an observer member of the EBU and has participated fully in another Eurovision network competition, Eurovision Young Dancers, so how Eurovision Song Contest is any different I dont know.

 

[goktengri]

Eurovision is just music and fun. I don't think states participate. It's for nations. Even autonomus nations should be able to join as well. Their political situations should not be cared.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Well I dont think autonomous regions should be allowed to join, I think they should have to be fully independent. It's just with Kosovo that it very much depends on whether or not you recognise Kosovo as independent.
And I understand that it's very difficult for Serbian people because if I put myself in their shoes than I would most likely have the same opinion. That's why I think that Kosovo's participation should be at least acceptable to both sides; we shouldnt just say right they're joining in next year when some countries have reservations about that, and they shouldnt say either that Kosovo can never join, because other people have reservations about that.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

LIBYA! It can be their reward for bravery!

 

[A-lister]

LIBYA! It can be their reward for bravery!

Bravery for what exactly? Clans fighting a dictator with the intention of installing a new dictatorship? (Sharia-law is already written in the new provisional constitution).

Thank you but no thanks. I can't picture any of the North-African countries currently in Eurovision (with a slight exception for maybe Morocco or Tunisia).

Anyway I stick to my firm believe that Eurovision is already big as it is and all the geographical European countries (and the few extra we got) is just about enough before making it way too big for its own good.

I also stick to my opinion about it's being a European contest (hello the name speaks for itself!?) (meaning the countries and not necessarily nationalities of performers just to make things clear) and I don't think it should be used as some political tool (it's already too much of that already).

 

[Nikoreindeer1973]

Kazakhstan for ESC

 

[A-lister]

Kazakhstan for ESC

This I agree with. If Turkey can take part (which has a smaller geographical part in Europe) then obviously Kazakhstan should be able to take part aswell.

 

[AlekS]

^ xyeah