New Online Contest - Discuss

[Sean]

Well, they will in the end, won't they?

Not if you set up a contest with the aim of promoting lesser known languages

 

[SpZ]

1. Some people claim they are speaking sindarin, but that wouldn't change the fact that sindarin does not exist as a real language.
2. Constitution of Moldova as I posted before, recognizes romanian as the official language now
3. Transnistria is a special case, mostly because it's an 'extra' territory that has been annexed by Moldova after USSR break-up. They are 0% romanian.

Why are you even having this debate with me? I am claiming (like you could see from my post before). That they should not be taken separately. I am just pointing out that there are many people who claim that they are separate and if you do not recognize that, you are kinda delusional.

(And at least the English wiki still states that the Consitution recognizes Moldovan in the consitution, although it has no practical effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language )

 

[EurovisionSmile]

Not if you set up a contest with the aim of promoting lesser known languages

That might bring another problem, finding songs voters like for the sake for searching songs with lesser known languages.

 

[Gera11]

Why are you even having this debate with me? I am claiming (like you could see from my post before). That they should not be taken separately. I am just pointing out that there are many people who claim that they are separate and if you do not recognize that, you are kinda delusional.

(And at least the English wiki still states that the Consitution recognizes Moldovan in the consitution, although it has no practical effect Moldovan language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

I'm just pointing out that moldovan language was used only as a political thing, but in real life it does not really exist.

 

[Avalon]

Can't we just have a poll to let the forum decide instead of having a discussion even before one has been chosen?

- RSC
- LSC
- SSC
- None

(As example)

 

[EurovisionSmile]

Not if you set up a contest with the aim of promoting lesser known languages

In any case, I'm not completely against your idea and I know and understand what you mean.

 

[Salmon]

Once again, I'd suggest going for countries, not languages. Cannot really explain why, it just has a different feel.

Also, I fully support the idea of Anything Contest.

 

[Morty]

Spin-offs are not full contests though. Spin-offs are fun little side games but if there is one particular one that turns out to be popular, it only makes sense to make it a full contest if the interest is there.

All Around The World (AATW) from NSC comes to mind here...

 

[Gera11]

We should have an official ESC contest too With all NFs and stuff

 

[pyryniemi]

yesss anything contest pls

 

[SpZ]

Anything contest would be quite distinctive from the other contest on this forum and would therefor be a good idea imo.

 

[Gera11]

Anything..like sending photos too?

 

[SpZ]

Anything..like sending photos too?

I advise you to check these 2 topics for further info about the general idea of anything contest.
http://www.escunited.com/t8865/
http://www.escunited.com/t8918/

 

[ParadiseES]

Tell that to people who themself claim they are speaking Moldovan, the people who made the constitution of Moldova or Transnistrian officials and you can see a different opinion. 60% of Moldovans claim to speak Moldovan while only 15% claim to speak Romanian.

I am not an expert about Romanian language, but what people claim they're speaking is worthless. You speak a language, regardless of what you think you're speaking.

For example, people in Valencia claim they are speaking their own language, an ancient one, when it's obvious it's Catalan dialect. Languages versus Nationalism. Nationalism has nothing to do here (like almost everywhere....)

 

[ParadiseES]

And some people would...

How dare you to insinuate that some people on this forum make friendly voting in online contests?????

 

[SpZ]

I am not an expert about Romanian language, but what people claim they're speaking is worthless. You speak a language, regardless of what you think you're speaking.

For example, people in Valencia claim they are speaking their own language, an ancient one, when it's obvious it's Catalan dialect. Languages versus Nationalism. Nationalism has nothing to do here (like almost everywhere....)

Erm, no.

1) You should read a little about constuctivist theories.
2) There is no rule how to make difference between a separate language and a dialect. It is matter of tradition and politics mostly. Making distinction between languages and dialects is not really an exact objective science.

 

[EurovisionSmile]

How dare you to insinuate that some people on this forum make friendly voting in online contests?????

I don't know what came into my mind...

 

[ParadiseES]

Erm, no.

1) You should read a little about constuctivist theories.
2) There is no rule how to make difference between a separate language and a dialect. It is matter of tradition and politics mostly. Making distinction between languages and dialects is not really an exact objective science.

There are rules. Other thing is some people would dare to say they are speaking whatever just because of sick nationalism. Valencian is a Catalan dialect and Moldova is, most probably, an invention and it's just Romanian language spoken in Moldova just like Spanish is spoken in Uruguay.

Anyway, the point is people have no say about what they are speaking. Let this to philologists, they are the ones who know about this. Ordinary people can say whatever.

 

[JamieBrown]

Maybe it's an option to combine #1 and #3 to an Secret Own Eurovision. The participants are getting an Eurovision country and have to choose an entry for them each edition. Could also be extended to more continents if Eurovision is too small for other participants.

 

[Canuck]

From looking at the discussion, maybe a language-based contest may not be the best idea due to blurred lines between what is the difference between dialects or distinct languages in some places around the world :s Where would multi-lingual songs be accepted or would they at all?

For example, the Canadian band Radio Radio throws in so much English to their songs that would people put up a big fuss if it was ever entered in a 'French' language selection?

All it will end up with is people who are butthurt because the host doesn't have a trained ear to all languages and therefore would not be able to make some distinction...

Another example of what can go wrong:
Let's say you have to find a song in Ukrainian. You find a Ukrainian band that you like enough and confirm them to the contest. Unknowningly, because you don't know the language, you accidentally have found a Ukrainian band whose song is actually being sung in Russian and you didn't know (my ears are unfortunately not trained in those languages). How are you supposed to know, and how is the host supposed to be completely sure if they don't speak the language either and have to confirm 60 other entries? If you don't speak Ukrainian nor do you know the Cyrillic alphabet, would you be automatically disqualified because you accidentally broke the rules and the host missed it?