Israel ISRAEL 2019 - Kobi Marimi - Home

[EvNickGR]

It's bland and a oldfashioned ballad, 2 points.

 

[darkap]

It's fun to point out that in an edition with 41 countries performing, Israel picks the reversed number 14.

 

[JohnyKaz]

There is almost nothing good to say hear. It's bland, boring, depressing but I'll give it 1 point due to his voice.

P.S. It would be really funny if Israel won two times in a row for the second time (they won in 1978 and again in 1979)

 

[RainyWoods]

I've decided that Home is the best Bette Midler song Bette Midler never Bette Midlered ever.

And considering I grew up in a home with a church singing mother who practiced Wind Beneath My Wings and From A Distance by Bette essentially non stop for all her god worshiping years, It's all become clear now why Kobi's reaching me here with his ham. It's the kind of ham I was fed for years without choice, but still enjoy now from time to time. The song has an almost holy quality to it.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Another of several great entries from Israel this decade! 10 points, and 12 points for the bowtie!

 

[HayashiM]

Everyone is going to hate me for pointing this out but Kobi Marimi looks like a potato. He's one of the least good-looking humans to set a foot on a Eurovision stage in recent memory and that's in itself is a massive hurdle to overcome. Ugly doesn't sell unless you can turn it into a quirk. You know what also doesn't sell? Boring and whinging and lifeless, all of which are traits applicable to his song.

In short: this is a fucking throw. I can spare a pity point, I guess.

I think you can keep your spare pity points for yourself. And negative beauty judgements as well. Remember Toy's message?

Not that Toy wasn't my n°43 last year, but that's not exactly the point here.

 

[Kairit]

I absolutely love this. The melody (the chorus is crazy good) and instrumentation is just stunning and the song is so beautifully and thoughtfully constructed, I love the opening and the drums coming in at the second part, his vocals also add to how dynamic it is. And as some have said, it definitely feels super earnest. What a brilliant end to the nf/song reveal season.

 

[BorisBubbles]

And negative beauty judgements as well. Remember Toy's message?


Not that Toy wasn't my n°43 last year, but that's not exactly the point here.

Not a single casual I spoke to /overheard speaking about Eurovision cared about Toy's message. They thought it was hilariously shite because lolol chicken noises. "lmao look at all the clucking from this chick hahaha she's so FAT" *passes iPhone around as everyone giggles* -- Casuals anno 2018. I'm not being hyperbolic, btw: That's a word-by-word conversation I've overheard on the day after the finale. It's tragic but it shows you how casuals think: they are quick to judge and utterly without mercy.

Keep clutching those pearls and close your eyes to the truth if you find that shocking, but it will not change the reality: appearance-shaming is very much real. I'm not scared of pointing that out, even if it upsets people, because it fucking matters. It affects how people vote. You MUST confront it head on before you can make any serious assessment.

Like I said, you can be less-than-good-looking in Eurovision, but if you are you must turn it into a positive quirk or you will fail. Mocking it before others can is of great help: Netta and Bojana Stamenov successfully used humour to make casuals look past their plus-sizes. (Humour works because most people find body humour funny. Don't you?) Meanwhile "Home" is positively humourless. It will fail unless Israel pull some impressive, non-embarrassing gimmick out of their asses that makes people look past what they see on the surface and empathize with Kobi. Experience shows though, that empathy doesn't come by itself. You have to earn it and some have to work harder for it than others.

btw: I had Toy ranked at #26 myself. It's not bad, but also not nearly as good as its fans make it out to be. I just think it's really annoying lol.

 

[HayashiM]

Not a single casual I spoke to /overheard speaking about Eurovision cared about Toy's message. They thought it was hilariously shite because lolol chicken noises. "lmao look at all the clucking from this chick hahaha she's so FAT" *passes iPhone around as everyone giggles* -- Casuals anno 2018. I'm not being hyperbolic, btw: That's a word-by-word conversation I've overheard on the day after the finale. It's tragic but it shows you how casuals think: they are quick to judge and utterly without mercy.

Keep clutching those pearls and close your eyes to the truth if you find that shocking, but it will not change the reality: appearance-shaming is very much real. I'm not scared of pointing that out, even if it upsets people, because it fucking matters. It affects how people vote. You MUST confront it head on before you can make any serious assessment.

Like I said, you can be less-than-good-looking in Eurovision, but if you are you must turn it into a positive quirk or you will fail. Mocking it before other can is of great help: Netta and Bojana Stamenov successfully used humour to make casuals look past their plus-sizes. Meanwhile "Home" is positively humourless. It will fail unless Israel pull some impressive, non-embarrassing gimmick out of their asses that makes people look past what they see on the surface and empathize with Kobi. Experience shows though, that this doesn't come by itself. You have to earn it and some have to work harder for it than others.

btw: I had Toy ranked at #26 myself. It's not bad, but also not nearly as good as its fans make it out to be. I just think it's really annoying lol.

I don't deny that people are quick to judge, with no mercy.

1. But if I really should go on that thin ice, I don't think Kobi is ugly (in the sense of appearance-shaming-worthy). He might not be the slicky wet dream of many like Benjamin or Mikolas, but no, he is not bad looking. Of course, I am a straight male, so maybe I don't have enough expertise on the matter.

2. Speaking of empathizing and emotional pieces sung by not exactly pop idol artists -> Salvador Sobral has already shown how well that can work anyway. You don't have to have a gimmick*, sometimes simplicity is the gimmick. I don't think Kobi will reach that high, but he definitely can play on very similar notes. As the song already stands, some sort of success is not impossible, even without super elaborate staging.

* is that a favourite word of yours? I think we have already had this type of discussion, if I remember correctly

 

[Mrm]

This entry is magical..

Pity I can't put it higher on my list, cause the year is AWESOME!

 

[BorisBubbles]

Oh i looooooooove gimmicks in eurovision But i think i've only used that word in about five posts since i started posting here lol. Perhaps I should look for a synonym;

But I'm happy you've mentioned Salvabrat because he's the best example of what I just wrote about.

I've said it elsewhere, but Salvador's gimmick, if you will, was his perceived lack of staging tricks. The look (ponytail manbun, jacket too big for him, chinpubes), the staging (which was minimalistic and intimate) and the song (pleasant-sounding bossa nova ballad) all played a part in establishing him as an unassuming, lovestruck schlemiel in the eyes of the casuals distant from the rest of the freak show, although his post-performance brattitude quickly showed the truth was quite the opposite.

Salvabrat turned his looks into his biggest strengths. That is how you win Eurovision (um in addition to believing in it and rolling with it. Rybak wouldn't lie to me.)

 

[HayashiM]

Oh i looooooooove gimmicks in eurovision But i think i've only used that in about five posts since i started posting here lol. Perhaps I should look for a synonym;

But I'm happy you've mentioned Salvabrat because he's the best example of what I just wrote about.

I've said it elsewhere, but Salvador's gimmick, if you will, was his perceived lack of staging tricks. The look (ponytail manbun, jacket too big for him, chinpubes), the staging (which was minimalistic and intimate) and the song (pleasant-sounding bossa nova ballad) all played a part in establishing him as an unassuming, lovestruck schlemiel in the eyes of the casuals distant from the rest of the freak show, although his post-performance brattitude quickly showed the truth was quite the opposite.

Salvabrat turned his looks into his biggest strengths. That is how you win Eurovision (um in addition to believing in it and rolling with it. Rybak wouldn't lie to me.)

3 for the Rybak/Mikolas joke

I don't consider Salvador's behaviour as brattitude, as the message "feeling, not fireworks" rings many bells with me and I think he had every right saying it in those circumstances. But elaborating on this would probably lead the discussion elsewhere.

On the other hand, I don't think the off-stage enfant-terrible behaviour would establish anything for the casuals, as they just watch all performances once during the broadcast and that's it. All you have is 3 minutes. Taking the mickey as he receives points also changes nothing - no more votes coming at that point. So the only remaining points are the look, the minimalistic staging and a pleasant ballad. Home could turn out to be a pleasant ballad (you might not agree, but I really think it's actually too early to tell now, and being a pleasant nostalgic ballad is definitely what it aims at). I have already argued for a minimalistic staging.

As for the looks, I still disagree. You take it as a perceived lack of staging tricks, I would just call it "being different by being closer to the norm than the rest of all the superpolished acts" - which brings the "distant from the rest of the freak show" effect. In my eyes, Kobe already achieves exactly the same effect with his looks. Precisely because he is not super super pretty. No need for overly large jackets. Put him in a suit, and he's already different.

 

[RainyWoods]

[MENTION=16481]BorisBubbles[/MENTION] I don't really understand what you're trying to say besides "looks play a role in how the masses consume music" duh no shit. As you pointed out in bold letters appearance-shaming is very much real and then you essentially acted like those peeps you said you experienced passing the iphone around laughing at Netta, coming here to make a joke about how "ugly" Kobi is. You might not like Kobi's song and that's fine. Rip it apart. He's entered it into a competition where the purpose is to have it ranked by people across Europe, but he really doesn't deserve to have his appearance ripped to ss also. That's just mean spirited and unpleasant. It's not enjoyable to read at all. Appearance shaming is real and I'm not afraid to point it out, and let me join in too whilst I'm at it ⬅ basically your messages.

You're also telling us if you're ugly, overweight or in any kind of way unconventional you need to somehow be self aware of it and build it into your song and performance... is that what I'm picking up here? Good god. We may as well just combine the Mr and Miss World competitions with Eurovision. It would somehow make for a less dehumanizing and cruel experience.


And to finish, I find Kobi handsome in a striking kind of way, and his quirks only add to the charm.

 

[Iker]

I don't like it. 3/12

 

[Alaska49]

kobi's looks aren't, um, to my taste, but people have definitely done very well without standard good looks OR quirks to cover up a lack of standard good looks. people watching can be horrible but it's not all of the time lol. in eurovision (and just in life) good looks help more often than bad looks hinder, specially for males because of patriarchy reasons i am sure i don't need to explore here but tamara todevska - proud.mp3.

kobi is doomed because his song is the closest we have been to being haunted by the ghost of six4one. his looks are not really a part of this.

 

[midnightsun]

Why is this one so disliked? One of only three 12 points from me this year plus 0.5 Josh Groban bonus point.
It’s fabulous, it‘s amazing, terrific, wonderful... I could go on! Second best entry from Israel ever! (No, first one is not Toy which I actually disliked )

 

[musicfan]

Oh i looooooooove gimmicks in eurovision But i think i've only used that word in about five posts since i started posting here lol. Perhaps I should look for a synonym;

But I'm happy you've mentioned Salvabrat because he's the best example of what I just wrote about.

I've said it elsewhere, but Salvador's gimmick, if you will, was his perceived lack of staging tricks. The look (ponytail manbun, jacket too big for him, chinpubes), the staging (which was minimalistic and intimate) and the song (pleasant-sounding bossa nova ballad) all played a part in establishing him as an unassuming, lovestruck schlemiel in the eyes of the casuals distant from the rest of the freak show, although his post-performance brattitude quickly showed the truth was quite the opposite.

Salvabrat turned his looks into his biggest strengths. That is how you win Eurovision (um in addition to believing in it and rolling with it. Rybak wouldn't lie to me.)

If there was a gimmick surely it was the hand movements, his body posture at times, or head movements.

 

[DenizESC]

Lol I don't think I have ever seen such hypocrisy before lol. Rants about people appearance-shaming an artist but his post before that is about another artist being 'ugly' 'looking like a potato' continues 'ugly doesn't sell' then feels the need to point out that according to him he might be one of the least 'good looking' artists to ever step foot on ESC stage. L O L BCS LOGIC. This is totally not appearance-shaming...? No I don't think people should try to compromise for other people not finding them attractive with having other traits they think is presentable. Not their personalities, not the way they express themselves as an artist or anything else! Because guess what, people will never be pleased and will always find a flaw in others especially insecure people as yourself. When we stop caring about others and are happy with ourselves no matter what others say is when we're entirely free! This is part of self-acceptance and I challenge you to follow this path also!

Sad that people bash an artist like that based on nothing but appearance here in this forum... [MENTION=16481]BorisBubbles[/MENTION] I also challenge you to share a picture of yourself here, and let us judge how you need to compromise for your looks and lets see if you enjoy that

Fact: people that bash others appearances and find joy in this are just insecure about their own looks and need to degrade others to make themselves feel better, its sad really. I wish all bullies out there the best and hope they find the light

 

[DenizESC]

And I don't even like this song whatsoever!

 

[Citelis]

I think if someone is good looking or not is mostly subjective!