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Germany GERMANY 2016 - Jamie-Lee Kriewitz - Ghost

How do you rate the entry?

  • 12

    50 21.8%
  • 10

    33 14.4%
  • 8

    23 10.0%
  • 7

    22 9.6%
  • 6

    26 11.4%
  • 5

    17 7.4%
  • 4

    10 4.4%
  • 3

    12 5.2%
  • 2

    13 5.7%
  • 1

    6 2.6%
  • 0

    17 7.4%

  • Total voters
    229

bstream

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Watching it on TV for the first time, her outfit stood out like a blue sore thumb among the dark backdrop. The staging fit the song, easily. The outfit made no sense, visually. If she really wanted to maintain the Asian theme, couldn't she have picked a dark kimono or something similar?

Her outfit made no sense and it sunk the song way lower than it should have. The song wasn't last place worthy, but they did the song very little favors when planning this.
 

bstream

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It's amazing how one man almost appears to be the difference between success and mega flop. I don't think even Bjorkman can claim that in Sweden :eek:

Also, wasn't Stefan Raab behind "Unser Star" and the 2012 entry? If so, definitely bring him back. How you can make a song called "Standing Still" look and sound competent takes some talent.
 

ChrisOL

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We got our televoting points just from Austria (2 Points) and from Switzerland (8 Points).... :?
 

GermanBango

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For the other Germans:
What did Jamie-Lee say in the after show? I turned off the TV when the Live-broadcast from Stockholm ended.
 

ChrisOL

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For the other Germans:
What did Jamie-Lee say in the after show? I turned off the TV when the Live-broadcast from Stockholm ended.

Just got a few sentences, but she said something like she's okay, she had a great time with everyone and that she will party with the winner :D
 

LakZaNokte

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Well, this is probably cause it's way too bland.

Lately those songs end up last, not the hiddious ones. True, hiddious ones don't make it to finals but still...

Also, the outfit didn't help. That was really bad.
 

Franzilein

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Almost 24 hours after the final and I'm still mad that Gregorian didn't win. Gonna wait till the ESC final now and have the "I f*cking knew it"-expression written all over my face (like the last 3 years) when Jamie stays around the bottom, forgotten among all the other plastic-pop songs. And that even Laura managed to get more votes than Gregorian... aaaaaaaaaarrrrrRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH. Deutschland, warum? T()

Sigh... we had freaking Avantasia and Gregorian in the national final. You guys just have no taste at all.
 

PashonFrut

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Am I crazy for liking this?? How did this do so bad?

:?
 

Lona

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I am completely unsurprised about the result. When I watched the NF I was so sure, that practically all the songs there would land at the bottom and Ghost wasn't an exception. It was mostly a choice between crap, horrible, weak, catastrophic, boring, etc. songs. I think Gregorian would have had the best chances of the bunch, because at least they were very memorable. That would have gotten Germany some televoting points at the ESC, but they didn't even reach the final round of the NF.
 

Musicosity

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I am completely unsurprised about the result. When I watched the NF I was so sure, that practically all the songs there would land at the bottom and Ghost wasn't an exception. It was mostly a choice between crap, horrible, weak, catastrophic, boring, etc. songs. I think Gregorian would have had the best chances of the bunch, because at least they were very memorable. That would have gotten Germany some televoting points at the ESC, but they didn't even reach the final round of the NF.

This year's NF was indeed not so good, but I am still crying over last year's Laing. A missed oportunity.
 

Daybreak

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I think I know what Germany's problem is. Their songs are just too similar at least superficially. They've sent young female soloists with mid-tempo pop songs like three years in a row.. and as I was writing this, I realized probably why - Satellite also fits that description. You need some variety!
 

Franzilein

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The problem I see is that it is not so much NDR/ARD who needs to learn the lesson. The voters do. Every year they have better options, and every year they choose the "save bets", the voice or wildcard winners and ignore that the songs are not ESC-winning material.

The NDR could do a few things better, but it would not make a decisive difference. Jamie-Lee made an offer, the voters chose her, and she delivered exactly as promised. She is not to blame either. I just hope the public leaves her alone and does not try to push their own responsibility on her back.

This. People like to blame NDR while they always had some decent acts in the national finals the last years (Blitzkids mvt., Madeline Juno, Laing, Fahrenhaidt, Avantasia, Gregorian, just to name a few), it's just the people that vote the shittiest, most main-stream out of them all when we should actually know by now that the "save route" isn't always the best.
 

Lona

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I think I know what Germany's problem is. Their songs are just too similar at least superficially. They've sent young female soloists with mid-tempo pop songs like three years in a row.. and as I was writing this, I realized probably why - Satellite also fits that description. You need some variety!

Last year a nearly 30 year old bald guy won the NF, but then he didn't want to got to the ESC, so the second placed singer went instead. I don't think that he would have done a better job there though. His song was boring.

I blame a bit the televoters. I don't think they really vote with the ESC in mind and what works there.

But mostly I blame the format and the bad songs presented there. I mean at least only invite people who can sing live for a start! "Singers" like Madeline Juno in 2014 shouldn't even get invited. Being able to sing live should be a requirement. It just happens all the time, that songs sound in the music videos 1000% better than live performed. And even those singers and groups who can sing, go to the NF often with quite weak songs. Overall there should just be more quality and quantity.
 

Fluke

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It wasn't bad but i don't think it had anything to contribute to the contest, except the weird outfit which wasn't the problem IMO, the song was. I'd place it around 15-20th place. I think this is a song i'm going to remember for years as typical for this year, but whenever i listen to it i'll be disappointed that they didn't do more to really make an amazing song out of it.

I love the "Our lives will wait for us to live" part, but the rest just kind of stomps on the same chord progression.
 

HSV1887

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Well, I don't like to say "I told you so", but that's really hard right now because this disasterous result was forseeable right from the start. Like I said many times before, Ghost is not a bad song by any means, but it's completely ill-suited for Eurovision. Eurovision doesn't take place in a vacuum. You are competing against 25 different countries in a 3-hour live show. You can't enter a one-dimensional, one-beat type of song like Ghost and expect to do well because it will be forgotten as soon as the next artist takes the stage right behind you and sadly, that's something the German public doesn't want to understand. Instead, they will continue to play the "everybody hates us and doesn't want to vote for us on principle" card and nothing is going to change. Next year, they are once again going to vote for a mediocre and bland pop song sung by the latest casting discovery. And if not, then they are going to vote for utter crap that will give everyone secondhand embarrassment (e.g. LaBrassBanda or Alex Diehl).

I for one would have loved to be represented by Gregorian or Avantasia this year. Would they have placed higher than Jamie-Lee? Doubtful, but they would have delivered a great show and stood out from the rest of the crowd. Also, I would rather take a risk and fail than play it safe and go nowhere.

The fact that we finally had the chance to send one of our most successful artists of the last 2 decades (Xavier Naidoo) to Eurovision, but the stupid German media and all the crybabies on Twitter and Facebook prevented it from happening makes it all even worse - because in doing so, they made sure that no artist worth their salt will be willing to represent us for years to come.
 
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