FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show!
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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJf_3XK1j28
As you can see here, the date is Sep 24, 2012. I don't see a problem. The rule in bold says that this song is not eligible based on the link above. It also says "video" not "official video" or "official single video".
You misinterpreted the rules, maybe you should've consulted with mods before sending your entry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJf_3XK1j28
As you can see here, the date is Sep 24, 2012. I don't see a problem. The rule in bold says that this song is not eligible based on the link above. It also says "video" not "official video" or "official single video".
You misinterpreted the rules, maybe you should've consulted with mods before sending your entry.
Yes, that's the release date for the album version. Not the single version which is what I've sent. Anyway, getting pointless to discuss this as it's all coming down to semantics and reasons external to the actual contest apparently.
No comments about the German and Macedonian entries though? Strange. I'll go ahead and just send a live version of a song for April then, since there's a clear duality in criteria when it comes down to how to interpret the rules.
No comments about the German and Macedonian entries though? Strange. I'll go ahead and just send a live version of a song for April then, since there's a clear duality in criteria when it comes down to how to interpret the rules.
MrGerbear
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Again, all of this should have been done within the first week of the contest. Problems like these are why there is an evaluation period in the first place.
To clarify: Songs must be a minimum of ten months old. If there is a studio-quality copy of the music available anywhere on the internet, the earliest date we find is the date we go by. If the studio version on iTunes or on the publisher's website is the earliest date, that's what we use. If the earliest date is a music video or a playback recording, that is what we use. Also, YouTube publish dates are not tamperable; once something is uploaded, the datestamp is fixed. Wikipedia is easily editable, and is definitely not a more trustworthy source. Official release dates are often different from release dates of music videos, and album releases are different from singles, but it's the earliest studio version of the song that counts. The point of the rule is that juries send new music, and ten months is already enough leeway.
Also, live performances do not count for release dates; only released studio versions do. That's the point of that clause. Not that live recordings will not be considered for submission at all, but that live recordings (concert videos, live performances, etc.) will not count as a release date. For example, if a band performed a new song in front of a live audience but that song isn't recorded on any album yet, that performance will not be counted for the release date. The release date for that song will be determined when a studio version is released, whether via a video on YouTube, or through iTunes, etc.
Neither the German nor Macedonian entries on YouTube are live though? They're obviously studio recordings. Besides, recordings taken during most live performances, such as concerts or whatever, have a distinct lack of quality.
As a final statement, there are no reasons external to the contest in these replies; accusations of bad faith towards the moderation team or towards other participants is uncalled-for. This isn't a witchhunt. We are merely clarifying the rules so that they are more easily followed next time.
If there is still anything unclear, please do not hesitate to ask.
To clarify: Songs must be a minimum of ten months old. If there is a studio-quality copy of the music available anywhere on the internet, the earliest date we find is the date we go by. If the studio version on iTunes or on the publisher's website is the earliest date, that's what we use. If the earliest date is a music video or a playback recording, that is what we use. Also, YouTube publish dates are not tamperable; once something is uploaded, the datestamp is fixed. Wikipedia is easily editable, and is definitely not a more trustworthy source. Official release dates are often different from release dates of music videos, and album releases are different from singles, but it's the earliest studio version of the song that counts. The point of the rule is that juries send new music, and ten months is already enough leeway.
Also, live performances do not count for release dates; only released studio versions do. That's the point of that clause. Not that live recordings will not be considered for submission at all, but that live recordings (concert videos, live performances, etc.) will not count as a release date. For example, if a band performed a new song in front of a live audience but that song isn't recorded on any album yet, that performance will not be counted for the release date. The release date for that song will be determined when a studio version is released, whether via a video on YouTube, or through iTunes, etc.
Neither the German nor Macedonian entries on YouTube are live though? They're obviously studio recordings. Besides, recordings taken during most live performances, such as concerts or whatever, have a distinct lack of quality.
As a final statement, there are no reasons external to the contest in these replies; accusations of bad faith towards the moderation team or towards other participants is uncalled-for. This isn't a witchhunt. We are merely clarifying the rules so that they are more easily followed next time.
If there is still anything unclear, please do not hesitate to ask.
CypriotGirl
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What is so hard to understand that your entry was uploaded in youtube in 2012, which makes it ineligible? No matter if the version you sent was a remastered one, the same song in another form was already released more than 10 months ago, so simple to understand but you still debate on this. The fact that you got away with it because nobody noticed it during the evaluation period doesn't change this.
What's wrong with
and entries? In the mp3 archives there is a studio version of both, as far as I remember. And even if it's live version, there's nothing wrong if somebody wants to enter a live version of a brand new song as long as there's no studio version. There are many songs that are famous for their live versions and their studio versions are never released.Ok, the show is now past behind us so I'll just bring closure to this subject. I think that the real problem was that the rules weren't specific enough. Because if they were, there wouldn't have been space for this sort of controversy. I now have a more solid idea of what this contest counts as a legit entry than I did before. The reason why I extended in debate is because I personally see a single version release of a song as a new release while most of the people who've posted in reply disagree. My opinion regarding this remains the same as yours certainly do, but in the end it's irrelevant, what matters is what this contest allows and what it doesn't.
And just for the record, I did not try to get away with anything, if that happened it was purely accidental.
I realize that my tone might have not been the most appropriate at times around here but neither was that of the people who've replied to what I wrote, with some of those reactions being sort of unexpected. By no means I've put any accusations towards the moderation team which have always been fair and kind to me since the day I've joined. I was just a bit surprised at the lack of understanding towards my point of view (by this I mean "seeing where I'm coming from", not necessairly having to agree) and felt a bit on my own from that perspective. I would have liked to have heard from a more seasoned moderator, with all due respect to you MrGearbear.
I'd like to apologize to the German and Macedonian juries as well. Like I've said, the rules as they are written currently leave a lot of open room for different interpretations and this was just a consequence of that. While the March entries for both these countries are not pure live performances they do contain some sort of live audience aspect to their pressing and this confused me as to wether it was legitimate or not. Apparently it is and I've sent out a similar performance as the entry for my country in the next edition.
I know that for some it will be hard to put this situation in the back of their minds, but I can honestly say that from my part there are no hard feelings about this. The rules weren't specific enough at the start, this left room for different interpretations to occur, which is what happened with me, then the moderation team failed to notice the problem during the evaluation period and then there was this little debate over what's legitimate around here and what's not. This is how I see all this. I've learned with this situation and that's what matters to me in the end, risking to make mistakes or engage in debate if the opportunity to learn is there to be achieved. But enough now, let's move on
And just for the record, I did not try to get away with anything, if that happened it was purely accidental.
I realize that my tone might have not been the most appropriate at times around here but neither was that of the people who've replied to what I wrote, with some of those reactions being sort of unexpected. By no means I've put any accusations towards the moderation team which have always been fair and kind to me since the day I've joined. I was just a bit surprised at the lack of understanding towards my point of view (by this I mean "seeing where I'm coming from", not necessairly having to agree) and felt a bit on my own from that perspective. I would have liked to have heard from a more seasoned moderator, with all due respect to you MrGearbear.
I'd like to apologize to the German and Macedonian juries as well. Like I've said, the rules as they are written currently leave a lot of open room for different interpretations and this was just a consequence of that. While the March entries for both these countries are not pure live performances they do contain some sort of live audience aspect to their pressing and this confused me as to wether it was legitimate or not. Apparently it is and I've sent out a similar performance as the entry for my country in the next edition.
I know that for some it will be hard to put this situation in the back of their minds, but I can honestly say that from my part there are no hard feelings about this. The rules weren't specific enough at the start, this left room for different interpretations to occur, which is what happened with me, then the moderation team failed to notice the problem during the evaluation period and then there was this little debate over what's legitimate around here and what's not. This is how I see all this. I've learned with this situation and that's what matters to me in the end, risking to make mistakes or engage in debate if the opportunity to learn is there to be achieved. But enough now, let's move on
CypriotGirl
Veteran
^But the rules are perfectly understandable and clear. No studio version of a song in any form should be published more than 10 months ago to be eligible for FSC. Other thing is not to understand this, and other thing is to imply that you didn't understand it because the rules weren't clear. 
Yes, that was perfectly clear but for the last time I'll say that I considered my entry to be a new release since it's a single version and not the album version. But we've been through this already, it came down to different personal understandings of what is considered to be a new release and what's not. When I talked about the rules not being specific enough it wasn't about this one thing, rather a couple of things I've mentioned in my previous post. But I really have no desire to extend this discussion further so I hope this brings an end to it, regardless of we ending up in the same page about things or not
Kryptonite
Well-known member
The rules are obviously clear to Edward now and we all learnt something from this, so we should just leave things as they are. We discussed it through, but we just can't and won't change anything that happened in the past so .. the topic should be closed.
If any member has any question about any rule, please, send me or any other mod your question. We'll be more than happy to answer it.
If any member has any question about any rule, please, send me or any other mod your question. We'll be more than happy to answer it.
SRBIJA
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Sorry for being late, extremely busy these days. Congrats to the winner, here are the Serbian votes last month.
Very happy to see high, great song and my absolute winner this month. 
And unfortunately after the long disscusion in our private forum I'm sorry to inform you April edition will be our last month in FSC. Stevan is leaving the forum due to lack of time and I have no time for so many contest because of some troubles IRL rn. We asked Simon to stay but he is also extremely busy with his job nowadays (he often failed to vote in the past) so he can't handle the pressure of being the only juror. Thanks everyone who has voted for us in the past and showed appreciation for our all kind of entries. 
This is a great contest and we are extremely happy to be a part of it, hopefully we will be back someday.
I did some statistics related to our voting history since January '13 some time ago so if anyone is interested:
Congrats to the winner, here are the Serbian votes last month.
Very happy to see
high, great song and my absolute winner this month. And unfortunately after the long disscusion in our private forum I'm sorry to inform you April edition will be our last month in FSC. Stevan is leaving the forum due to lack of time and I have no time for so many contest because of some troubles IRL rn.
We asked Simon to stay but he is also extremely busy with his job nowadays (he often failed to vote in the past) so he can't handle the pressure of being the only juror. Thanks everyone who has voted for us in the past and showed appreciation for our all kind of entries. This is a great contest and we are extremely happy to be a part of it, hopefully we will be back someday. I did some statistics related to our voting history since January '13 some time ago so if anyone is interested:
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ŽELJKO!!! xslap
For a second I honestly thought this is true and that you are really leaving. You're the first person today that fooled me
For a second I honestly thought this is true and that you are really leaving. You're the first person today that fooled me
Paper7
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argh, you get me.
also because i thought this posting is some days old ^^
also because i thought this posting is some days old ^^