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FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show!

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

Same for Brazil: https://scubidu.bandcamp.com/album/andreia-dias-pelos-tr-picos
I'm sorry for late reaction... :( I've been busy this month so I couldn't correct tags sooner. But I don't think that Brazilian and Portuguese jurors should be mad at me, they could've checked it themselves. :)

I never checked Bandcamp. Dunno how to use the site tbh :(
But I sented a back-up entry. Is funny cuz I never sented back-up entries before :p
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

I never checked Bandcamp. Dunno how to use the site tbh :(
But I sented a back-up entry. Is funny cuz I never sented back-up entries before :p

It's a great song and I really enjoyed it. It would've been in my top 3. ;___;
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

:( :( :(

BTW I will be DQ even if I sented a back-up entry, right? :(

Malagant has just come online and we've talked a bit about it. You'll get the answer very soon.
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

^ I will try to explain.

As the FSC Rules say, the first 7 days from the start of a FSC-edition is what we call the 'Evaluation Period'. During this period members who find an entry they believe may be in conflict with the FSC Rules can contact the FSC Mod team who will take a closer look at the song in question and, if it is found to be ineligible, can disqualify the entry and replace it with a back-up (reserve) entry. After this 7-day 'Evaluation Period', however, nothing is done to entries that may later be found to be ineligible. We have to draw the line somewhere, we cannot change entries and make people have to re-send their votes far into the month, and so the first week of the edition was chosen from the start and has been practiced accordingly since.

It is the main responsibility of the FSC-juries/countries to check their entries - to ensure that they are eligible for FSC and in accordance with the FSC Rules - before they are submitted. The FSC Mod Host every month does a prelimenary check of the songs before the edition starts, to decrease the amount of potential songs needed to be looked at more closely during the 'Evaluation Period', but this is done on a 'best effort basis' with the time that is available, which means that not everything can always be checked 100% beforehand. That is also why we have the 7-day 'Evaluation Period'. Sometimes we experience that an ineligible song 'slips through both the members' and Mods' fingers' as it were, like this month with the aforementioned songs above, this is unfortunate but the way it is, and this has also happened a few times before. It does not happen often, though, and if everyone checks their songs very well before entering them in the contest, the problem will be almost non-existent.

In conclusion, no songs were reported to the FSC Mod team during the 'Evaluation Period' this month and that means that all songs are considered eligible for FSC March, no matter what information has been revealed recently. This also means that all songs can be voted for and no votes that have been sent to the FSC Mod vote collector for March need to be re-sent.

I hope this explanation made things easier to understand
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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

Finally done with my top 10. Two great songs missed out. :'( But overall it's a rather meh edition. Here's my top 15:

:at::be::bg::cz::ee::ie::mk::no::ph::es::rs::se::ch::tr::ua:
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

:tw: final results have been posted in our Private Forum!! xcheer

What a challenging Edition this month~~ I had 4 Official Listenings before I finalised my results...Every time my 12-pointer changed, and the Top 10 moved around like I was playing shuffle....I had to lose so many fantastic songs from my Top 10....it's really killing me! In the end, I just went my initial gut-feeling that I had when I first heard the songs....and finally settled with what I believe is one of the BEST Top 10 I've compiled so far~~ =D I even surprised myself~!! xrofl3 "Game of Thrones" as this months Theme is 100% accurate!! xD Let the Battle Begin Guys~ I can't wait to see which Song ends up victorious and sits on that Iron Throne!!! xlove
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

I've decided my top 10 already, but I will wait until the new :fi: juror, Waldo, gets in contact with me (so far I haven't gotten any answer from him) just in case.
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

I've been absent from the forum for a few days but seems that I have to re-ensure that my entry is perfectly eligible.

While it's true that my country's entry first official release was on that album released in late 2012, the song coming out as a single is as new as off late January of this current year. Tinchey, you should have checked the rules before writing that. They state that:

"An entry must be maximum 10 months old. Every studio version that is available on Youtube or anywhere else will be considered as a release date, regardless of what Wikipedia or the official website says."

Perhaps the rules need a little tweaking on that parameter alone, but taking them for what they are currently, it can only mean that my country's entry for this month is eligible.

In my opinion when a song from an older album gets released as a single that counts as re-releasing or even an almost brand new release to me. It just so happens that with my entry in particular, the new release is a single version, with the song having been remastered and etc. Therefore it's not the same song that was originally on the album, at least not under the same format.

I hope this false alarmism hasn't caused harm on positive votings that I could be getting for this FSC edition. We shall see on the day of the show. But please send a PM to me or to a MOD the next time so that we can discuss this in private, rather than posting away in public your assumption of the whole thing.
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

Still, there is also a rule that states that cover versions aren't allowed, and songs that sample older songs aren't allowed either. Remixes are only allowed if the actual song being remixed is eligible. Even if the new version is remastered and re-released, it is still the exact same song and would have been ineligible if it had been brought to the mods' attention during the evaluation period. For example, if ABBA reunited and remastered and re-released "Mamma Mia" tomorrow, it wouldn't be eligible as it had already been released previously. Trust me, this is extremely difficult for my position on the Philippine Jury, because songs in the Philippines tend to be released on video or as a single many months before (or after) the album is released, and I need to double-check that no previous version of the song exists that could render it ineligible.

HOWEVER, what Malagant said also applies. Because this was brought up after the evaluation period, the song can still be voted on. This is the final decision and should be respected; we need to put this all behind us and just keep the contest going, treating Portugal's and Brazil's songs no different from the rest.

As for future contests, don't fret; the mods are going to try their hardest to make sure this doesn't happen again. Also, everyone else involved in the contest should also be watchful, especially during the evaluation period.

If there are ever any clarification from the rules, please never hesitate to ask! :)

In other news, FSC 2013 Anniversary Edition will be hosted on 30 March! Watch out for it. :D
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

I've been absent from the forum for a few days but seems that I have to re-ensure that my entry is perfectly eligible.

While it's true that my country's entry first official release was on that album released in late 2012, the song coming out as a single is as new as off late January of this current year. Tinchey, you should have checked the rules before writing that. They state that:

"An entry must be maximum 10 months old. Every studio version that is available on Youtube or anywhere else will be considered as a release date, regardless of what Wikipedia or the official website says."

Perhaps the rules need a little tweaking on that parameter alone, but taking them for what they are currently, it can only mean that my country's entry for this month is eligible.

In my opinion when a song from an older album gets released as a single that counts as re-releasing or even an almost brand new release to me. It just so happens that with my entry in particular, the new release is a single version, with the song having been remastered and etc. Therefore it's not the same song that was originally on the album, at least not under the same format.

I hope this false alarmism hasn't caused harm on positive votings that I could be getting for this FSC edition. We shall see on the day of the show. But please send a PM to me or to a MOD the next time so that we can discuss this in private, rather than posting away in public your assumption of the whole thing.

Nope. Album release date counts as the release date of the song. Plain and simple. Your entry was not eligible.
 

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Re: FSC #61 - March 2014: The Show! [DDL: 28th March, 23:59 CET]

Well, for sure the entry is neither a cover nor a remix. It may still be the same song but for some reason it's been re-touched and released to the public again under a new package. This is what single versions are. I can't help but quote the rule that I've quoted above again: "Every studio version that is available on Youtube or anywhere else will be considered as a release date, regardless of what Wikipedia or the official website says."
I tend to take rules seriously and literally, so if that is all what is written there then it's all that there is to it to be understood. If confusion must be avoided in the future then I suggest that the rule is improved, making mention of single release dates not counting as new release dates. Which would then still sound weird, because the rule is literally saying that whatever date is on YouTube under the video is what will be considered and not what more trusting sources such as the band's official website or wikipedia say. I've only played by what the rules state and feel I haven't breached anything at all. Things should have been made clearer from the start.

But since someone took the time to go investigating my entry, I wonder why time was also not taken to find and point out the facts that the German entry is a live performance and that the Macedonian one itself also seems to be one (or at least it's tagged as such in the video description). Which goes against the very same rule that's being discussed.

"All the other recordings (including live performances) will not be considered."
 
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