EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[midnightsun]

To be honest, isn't Loreen ESC royalty?

And your first sentence already sums it all up. She surely is but the producers letting everyone else feel she is, from the public to the artists, is exactly what’s stirring the pot. And getting people upset.

People were criticizing the audience in the hall because they were chanting Cha cha cha before Loreen was announced. But the artists themselves did that too - people were not complaining.

It’s that bubble around her that the Swedish team (songwriters, delegation, supervisor and Loreen herself) created. The superior queen. And people here in this forum went on with the narrative. "She is miles ahead of everyone else", "don’t you dare comparing artist xyz to Loreen“ are just a few of the arrogant, disrespectful posts. And people wonder why the public rather wanted Finland.

It’s not the usual case other artists didn’t congratulate the winner but rather celebrate the second. At least I don’t remember watching that to the extent it was this year.

Well, maybe this is a little wake-up call to Österdahl, I don’t know if he noticed it all but if he does he may want to change some things next year. I usually love Sweden‘s entries and I don’t want them to be the scapegoat for everything but honestly, at the moment (=in recent years) they are getting pandered a lot! I really understand everyone who is upset!

 

[GermanBango]

Hmmm sometimes I wonder if people’s resentments (whatever they may be based on) make them see things that aren’t even there … or make them blow things completely out of proportion. I.e. the EBU specifically pondering towards Sweden … they are usually pondering towards the pre-contest favs … not exclusively to Sweden. Take Italy for example who usually gets the very best possible spots in the running order. (Or the big 5 in general who get the vip treatment).

 

[HarryUK]

No one has a go at Polly and gets away with it. Balkan babes stick together!!!

Did anyone else see that Italy’s broadcast started 50 odd seconds late and they missed part of Kalush’s opening??

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

And your first sentence already sums it all up. She surely is but the producers letting everyone else feel she is, from the public to the artists, is exactly what’s stirring the pot. And getting people upset.

People were criticizing the audience in the hall because they were chanting Cha cha cha before Loreen was announced. But the artists themselves did that too - people were not complaining.

It’s that bubble around her that the Swedish team (songwriters, delegation, supervisor and Loreen herself) created. The superior queen. And people here in this forum went on with the narrative. "She is miles ahead of everyone else", "don’t you dare comparing artist xyz to Loreen“ are just a few of the arrogant, disrespectful posts. And people wonder why the public rather wanted Finland.

It’s not the usual case other artists didn’t congratulate the winner but rather celebrate the second. At least I don’t remember watching that to the extent it was this year.

Well, maybe this is a little wake-up call to Österdahl, I don’t know if he noticed it all but if he does he may want to change some things next year. I usually love Sweden‘s entries and I don’t want them to be the scapegoat for everything but honestly, at the moment (=in recent years) they are getting pandered a lot! I really understand everyone who is upset!

This post of yours is the right moment to honour some great female and male artists we've had this year for what they gave to us.

1. Blanca Paloma, with best vocal on ESC in past 4 years and sweetest personality

2. Brunette, with a song that was entirely written by her, different from the rest, and best minimal staging I've seen (is it almost ever) on Eurovision

3. Alika, for her oustanding voice and professionalism and friendly personality

4. Monika (who ripped off Kings of Leon, never forget ) who came with a song that served us her heart, a brave reveal

5. Bojan and Joker Out, for all the funny moments and friendly atmosphere they have created and shared with us via their media, and for delivering me a song that I can actually listen outside ESC and enjoy every day. Igra sovražtva je za vas, hvala lepa ne računajte na nas.

Same applies to Latvian boys, thank you for this experimental ballad that will never get worn out or cheap.

6. Luke Black for being bold to be completely different, refusing to fit anybody's shoes. Also for his quirky personality that made me laugh 193993 times. I'm sorry Luke it didn't work out with your crush Blanca, I think she loves them a tad bit older

7. Noa Kirel for her professionalism and hard work, she didn't underestimate us in any moment and stayed dedicated in everything she did. She respected her audience the most

8. La Zarra for flipping the bird in a critical moment we all wanted to do the same and forget our decency. She was my meme of the day. Invited also on this forum to flip it here and there, it's much needed queen.

Now seriously, credits to La Zarra for singing her song tied to a narrow pole 5 - 10 meters high, fearing she could fall any moment. It was the most difficult performance actually. IDK why they did that to her and how did she manage to put up with that.

9. Let 3 for saying Putin was a psychopath and his followers morons, screaming it to multimillion TV audience 10 times per minute, two nights a week. Legends. Noone would get away it on TV as they did, and noone will anytime soon.

 

[AlekS]

10. Tvorchi who found out that their city was bombed by Russia 10 minutes before the performance. And showed that we must go on no matter what. Now compare this to any other country. Russia literally bombed UA: PBC last March. Ukrainian broadcaster organized a NF in a bomb shelter/subway. Tvorchi couldn't even make a proper revamp, because the country was in the midst of blackouts, the border was closed. There was no electricity for 16 hours per day. It lasted for 2-3 months, but "with our luck" it ended just 2 weeks before the deadline. Tvorchi funded like 80% of their participation. They needed to obtain additional special documents for their team to leave the country. Not to mention the road, it was probably easier to travel from Australia, lol. Due to war it was problematic to order stuff needed for the props, so they had only NF staging option. They had so many obstacles, it's outstanding they could serve such performance

 

[MopManMoss]

No one has a go at Polly and gets away with it. Balkan babes stick together!!!

Did anyone else see that Italy’s broadcast started 50 odd seconds late and they missed part of Kalush’s opening??

50 seconds late for italians is 6 hours early for everyone else

 

[popavapeur]

Finland deserved it the most since they (him & his team) are so authentic. In contrary to Sweden which brings me to the point you asked about…

Sweden is a completely calculated machine. They could never cope with their failure 2010, that went straight through their hearts and they took it very personal - and since then they‘re trying EVERYTHING to make up for their disgrace.

From the running order to jury voting - I could write an essay about it. They might not have given money to the juries but they know how to influence them.

I mean, what else do you want me to say? Is the running order not enough? Juries voting for Loreen in a landslide? Choosing their mightiest weapon Loreen to secure that win? They built the hype around her. The subtle influences everywhere. I won’t go into details now because people don’t want to read it anyway.

Loreen was the only one due to her popularity who was a credible winner to cover the influence they were taking. But they didn’t expect someone else going that big like Finland. So they had to secure Loreen‘s victory with that MASSIVE jury vote. She got covered so much by the media. Everyone was writing about her before she during the contest. Finland too, yes, but not to that extent.

No offense but it does sound like conspiracy theory
you're assuming Sweden is in revenge mode since Bergendahl imprisonment and I just don't see that, it's exagerrating facts to follow a narrative due to people get involved emotionally in a tv show (The lovely and likeable Käärijä from Poor Finland loosing against the Swamp Witch from mighty and manipulative Sweden (really it does sound like that to me lol))... when is the conspiracy theory coming cause I know it's coming at this point :/

Sweden/Scandinavia is a powerhouse in making pop music for everybody, everywhere in the world since the early 90 with Ace Of Base and the Denniz Pop 'Pop Mafia'. Back in the 2010's pop music wasn't as popular because Rnb took the lead and Rock Music became popular. Britpop began to rise as well (and their ballads) : Adele, Sam Smith, Ed Sheeran were huge sellers.

What Sweden did in 2010 was basically following the trend but 1) the song was bad and Scandinavia is basically average at everything outside pop music 2) Eurovision has its own genre, it's the only place where pop music thrives while its despised in "the real world". 2010 is a great example of try hard Sweden and they failed and they came back to pop music and got good results because they know how to do pop music.

We're now to a place where pop music isn't as despised and it has evolved in a less "only party mood", Tattoo is a great exemple, it goes on the anthemic side, not really dance-y, it's more atmospheric. Sweden is just doing what Sweden is doing since the early 90's : producing pop music. You can call it a calculated machine but to me it's "authentic" cause a lot of the pop music is made with song writing camps (Austria 2023 is a good example as well), formulas, trying and error. I think it's fascinating and artistic in its own way. It's its factory-ish trait that makes it authentic to me but each to their own opinion.

I can agree about them taking over the contest in some ways but I have to say I do agree with the running order thing. There was nobody (but youuu) but Sweden or Finland that could have won. Besides that, everything else is hopeless and we can see they're focusing on the winning aspect. Hence why they're giving countries that ranked well in the semis bad spots : if you're not winning, you can go anywhere and Finland/Sweden got awesome spots. It's a matter of opinion I guess, I would say that I like a good running order with highs and lows than a random order with a chance that all the heavy hitters/ballads are going back to back. I respect people don't like this way of running order though. I don't agree though about them influencing juries. They're just making music that can appeal to both televote and juries and...well that's the name of the game. And yes they sent Loreen their "greatest weapon", I would say one of their greatest performers ESC wise : as every country should. Noa or Marco are also in this case.

I don't agree with the Ukrainian thing. Loreen was covered a lot in the media, yes but why ? she already won, she was first in the odds. I mean Francesco Gabbani was covered as much back in the 2017 because he was a frontrunner back then. It's not black magic, we're not going to talk about 37 acts but frontrunners and the country's own act.

I do agree about songwriters though, I don't mind them being from the country but I'm afraid that will give more power to ESC powerhouses that are just better at writing and composing songs such as Italy or Sweden.

 

[Loindici]

Hmmm sometimes I wonder if people’s resentments (whatever they may be based on) make them see things that aren’t even there … or make them blow things completely out of proportion. I.e. the EBU specifically pondering towards Sweden … they are usually pondering towards the pre-contest favs … not exclusively to Sweden. Take Italy for example who usually gets the very best possible spots in the running order. (Or the big 5 in general who get the vip treatment).

I believe there are times when people were blowing hate out of proportion and things get too heated. But when it comes to Sweden, there are some contextual hints of what's happening before and alongside the contest.

It's gonna be long, so bear with me.

***

In the 2010s, Sweden's influence on the show can be seen from three beta voting changes, with two of them was adapted from Melfest.

1. 2013, Malmo: the average ranking system which is the most complicated voting determining type I've seen. The voting breakdown that was released are only by average rankings. This wasn't adapted in Melfest but to be noted this system is only used for Eurovision in 2013.
2. 2016, Stockholm: the separated voting system and announcement type was likely adapted from Melfest.
3. 2019, Tel Aviv: the results announcement was a unique change on Eurovision 2019... until somehow Melfest adopted it starting from 2020.

Well, it was a weird 'coincidence' that, after the rentroduction of juries as a major voting determinator, changes to voting sequences are somehow tied to Sweden, more or less. Okay, let's say that Melodifestivalen has been there for a long, long time and it can be a good study model for the contest... aren't there other countries to be voting models from? Or wouldn't they develop a new one unique to the contest?

Oh, yeah, a man named Christer Bjorkman was mostly on the Eurovision set in the 2010s. Totally forgot about that.

And this haven't included that "COVID special" pre-record vocals allowance they've imposed in 2021... starting from Osterdahl's reign.

***

There is a contextual narrative we have in the Eurovision sphere, towards Sweden's attempt on the 7th win. Especially, after Sweden secured two wins in the 2010s, this is an easy attempt to build hype around their entries. "Sweden is just that good, they can go towards equaling the record number of wins Ireland has".

I noticed this, since maybe on almost all contest I've followed after 2015, I've heard some lines similar to "can they achieve that 7th win?" while the voting sequence was happening with Sweden being on the upper part of the jury's score. It was as if things happening behind closed doors to ensure that... but that means I'm seeing things that 'aren't even there', as you've stated, so it's not valid, right?

(The only jokish assumption I can make about 2021 is that, fans generally don't hype Voice, hence Sweden will be roasted on the internet ever they let Tusse there in the juries' top 3.)

***

Within 2023's contest, it was easier to create a Sweden-winning narrative with Loreen being present. Being one of the most well-loved winners of Eurovision, she's an easy way to gain fans' support and hype. I assume almost all modern Eurofans want her to come back. Even with whatever shite of a song was sent, as long as it's Lor-Jesus, hype is easy. "Who dares to hurt the most loved Eurovision winner we had? Even the media won't."

With the allegedly jury-superior announcement, and the landslide jury points, victory was secured. Lo and behold, Kaarija came out of nowhere with 376 points. It ruined that ideal win.
To invoke our memory, back in 2012, Sweden won by the jury and the public. In 2023, the jury chose her. The public? Almost.

Sweden won. They got that 7th win with the jury's preference, which some fans have resented towards. Lor-Jesus sacrifices herself to get hate from people who loved her. Fanwars happening.

All of this for that ambition of asking Ireland to kiss their ass.

***

Okay, this has been way too long than expected. The TLDR: I want us to remember that the voting change fiascos we had last decade is all traced back to Sweden, and the hype and possibly special treatment around Sweden is connected to that 7th win attempt.

Yes, resentment about something can drive people to get mad and accuse unreasonable things, I agree with you. I agree that usually fan favorites would get good spots as per usual. But this affair between Sweden and EBU even extends to the way the contest is done, I don't know if it's plain resentment or a subtle yet slick collusion.

 

[Loindici]

On a lighter note, this is a bop everyone should listen to.

 

[crashworld]

My question is, in some batshit unexpected alternate universe where Finland and Sweden swapped places (ie. Finland won juries and Sweden won televote but Finland won the contest in the end), will the ESC fandom be having this meltdown and conversation of an "unfair"/"rigged" win?

Or will it be "Oh yar, that's fine. Thank Goodness for the juries for doing what they are supposed to do."

Just putting this out there.

 

[heke1988]

My question is, in some batshit unexpected alternate universe where Finland and Sweden swapped places (ie. Finland won juries and Sweden won televote but Finland won the contest in the end), will the ESC fandom be having this meltdown and conversation of an "unfair"/"rigged" win?

Or will it be "Oh yar, that's fine. Thank Goodness for the juries for doing what they are supposed to do."

Just putting this out there.

I am sure, it will be, if people that alternative situation were chanting Tattoo besides of Cha Cha Cha.

 

[Loindici]

My question is, in some batshit unexpected alternate universe where Finland and Sweden swapped places (ie. Finland won juries and Sweden won televote but Finland won the contest in the end), will the ESC fandom be having this meltdown and conversation of an "unfair"/"rigged" win?

Or will it be "Oh yar, that's fine. Thank Goodness for the juries for doing what they are supposed to do."

Just putting this out there.

Most likely. But since it's a batshit unexpected alternate universe, Kaarija would be a woman singing a prissy pop song and Loreen would be a batshit cool ethnic male rocker.

 

[Franzilein]

My question is, in some batshit unexpected alternate universe where Finland and Sweden swapped places (ie. Finland won juries and Sweden won televote but Finland won the contest in the end), will the ESC fandom be having this meltdown and conversation of an "unfair"/"rigged" win?

Or will it be "Oh yar, that's fine. Thank Goodness for the juries for doing what they are supposed to do."

Just putting this out there.

Clearly the first since Sweden would have won the televote by a landslide. It's about what song the audience liked most getting shafted by a handful of people. It's not about the countries (although Sweden being the victor by jury points the second time over a clear audience favourite after 2015 and inexplicably always being the juries' darling as in 2018 or 19 surely adds fuel to the fire, not gonna lie).

 

[GermanBango]

I believe there are times when people were blowing hate out of proportion and things get too heated. But when it comes to Sweden, there are some contextual hints of what's happening before and alongside the contest.

It's gonna be long, so bear with me.

***

In the 2010s, Sweden's influence on the show can be seen from three beta voting changes, with two of them was adapted from Melfest.

1. 2013, Malmo: the average ranking system which is the most complicated voting determining type I've seen. The voting breakdown that was released are only by average rankings. This wasn't adapted in Melfest but to be noted this system is only used for Eurovision in 2013.
2. 2016, Stockholm: the separated voting system and announcement type was likely adapted from Melfest.
3. 2019, Tel Aviv: the results announcement was a unique change on Eurovision 2019... until somehow Melfest adopted it starting from 2020.

Well, it was a weird 'coincidence' that, after the rentroduction of juries as a major voting determinator, changes to voting sequences are somehow tied to Sweden, more or less. Okay, let's say that Melodifestivalen has been there for a long, long time and it can be a good study model for the contest... aren't there other countries to be voting models from? Or wouldn't they develop a new one unique to the contest?

Oh, yeah, a man named Christer Bjorkman was mostly on the Eurovision set in the 2010s. Totally forgot about that.

And this haven't included that "COVID special" pre-record vocals allowance they've imposed in 2021... starting from Osterdahl's reign.

***

There is a contextual narrative we have in the Eurovision sphere, towards Sweden's attempt on the 7th win. Especially, after Sweden secured two wins in the 2010s, this is an easy attempt to build hype around their entries. "Sweden is just that good, they can go towards equaling the record number of wins Ireland has".

I noticed this, since maybe on almost all contest I've followed after 2015, I've heard some lines similar to "can they achieve that 7th win?" while the voting sequence was happening with Sweden being on the upper part of the jury's score. It was as if things happening behind closed doors to ensure that... but that means I'm seeing things that 'aren't even there', as you've stated, so it's not valid, right?

(The only jokish assumption I can make about 2021 is that, fans generally don't hype Voice, hence Sweden will be roasted on the internet ever they let Tusse there in the juries' top 3.)

***

Within 2023's contest, it was easier to create a Sweden-winning narrative with Loreen being present. Being one of the most well-loved winners of Eurovision, she's an easy way to gain fans' support and hype. I assume almost all modern Eurofans want her to come back. Even with whatever shite of a song was sent, as long as it's Lor-Jesus, hype is easy. "Who dares to hurt the most loved Eurovision winner we had? Even the media won't."

With the allegedly jury-superior announcement, and the landslide jury points, victory was secured. Lo and behold, Kaarija came out of nowhere with 376 points. It ruined that ideal win.
To invoke our memory, back in 2012, Sweden won by the jury and the public. In 2023, the jury chose her. The public? Almost.

Sweden won. They got that 7th win with the jury's preference, which some fans have resented towards. Lor-Jesus sacrifices herself to get hate from people who loved her. Fanwars happening.

All of this for that ambition of asking Ireland to kiss their ass.

***

Okay, this has been way too long than expected. The TLDR: I want us to remember that the voting change fiascos we had last decade is all traced back to Sweden, and the hype and possibly special treatment around Sweden is connected to that 7th win attempt.

Yes, resentment about something can drive people to get mad and accuse unreasonable things, I agree with you. I agree that usually fan favorites would get good spots as per usual. But this affair between Sweden and EBU even extends to the way the contest is done, I don't know if it's plain resentment or a subtle yet slick collusion.

Oh I didn’t mean to imply that the Swedish delegation within the EBU isn’t actively working on reforming the contest. They definitely do that. Some changes for the better, some for the worse. It’s subjective anyway. I actually love the voting changes for example and I know many others do as well.

Other than that I was specifically trying to point out that some people make it seem like there is some secret conspiracy going on behind the scenes. You know, if you want things to be real then you will definitely find hints and „proofs“ as well.

Edit: I just want to clarify one thing. I am fine with people having resentments against Sweden in Eurovision for whatever reason. As I said it’s subjective. What drives me nuts though is the fact that many are lying to themselves and to others by denying that this is the case. Like at least have the guts to say: „You know what, yes I hate Sweden in Eurovision because…“ (Not talking about you with this paragraph)

@crashworld We know the answer to that question very well, don’t we? Let’s be real the uproar would definitely not be like this of the roles were reversed. There is this ongoing narrative (which has been put out by Sweden themselves among others) is that Sweden is this force of nature when it comes to Eurovision. This sorta constructs a scenario where everyone up against Sweden becomes an underdog. And people love love love a good underdog story.

 

[Loindici]

Oh I didn’t mean to imply that the Swedish delegation within the EBU isn’t actively working on reforming the contest. They definitely do that. Some changes for the better, some for the worse. It’s subjective anyway. I actually love the voting changes for example and I know many others do as well.

The Swedish delegation are working to better the contest and I must applaud them for the hardwork, though. The change to the voting in 2016 is very refreshing and it works to acknowledge both jury and televote points. It's one of the best voting changes I've seen.

If we're trying to put it in another way, are other delegations simply not interested in working on reform? I feel Norway or Italy's delegations would love to take part. On the other hand, Melfest is pretty stable as a national festival, so I can see why it might be a model for the reform.

 

[midnightsun]

The problem I was pointing out was never about Sweden vs. Finland. For most people it is, so it ends in this Sweden against Finland war. I was kind of impartial since neither Sweden nor Finland was my winner and I didn’t vote for any of them.

BUT - when we start analyzing where it all happend and what went wrong it goes back a long way. Sweden has kind of more or less always been successful in Eurovision. I didn’t look it up but my guts say it’s probably in the top 5 of all countries, based on their success, even if we didn’t count their results from 2000 and onwards when they started dominating. I mean there is nothing wrong with being eager and trying to achieve the best you can.

The question is: how far would you go to reach your goal? And there is this line that Sweden imho crossed a while ago which started around 2010.

Anna Bergendahl not even making it to the final was more or less the crucial point. Norway won shortly before, Russia won shortly before, Germany won the 2010 edition… all big names. Eastern European countries had a row of victories before, also their neighbours Denmark and Finland won in that decade. So basically every household name but Sweden - the country that has always been so dedicated to Eurovision. I‘m sure that hurt their pride much.

And then Björkman took over and making up ground with very dubious decisions. Since then Sweden made sure to be called as a top contender each year.

Other than that I was specifically trying to point out that some people make it seem like there is some secret conspiracy going on behind the scenes. You know, if you want things to be real then you will definitely find hints and „proofs“ as well.

Why do I WANT things to be real? Stop trying to gaslight me, this is ridiculous.
Stop trying to make me believe I made things up.

A) I DO have proof (I mean, real proof, I don’t write everything here)

and

B) if you knew me and my posts back then you knew that I initially defended Björkman here when everyone said he was influencing and rigging the contest. I started research and realized they were right.

What drives me nuts though is the fact that many are lying to themselves and to others by denying that this is the case.

Again, stop gaslighting me, who do you think you are?! I know your connections to Sweden so please stop being so biased and attacking other people.

Like at least have the guts to say: „You know what, yes I hate Sweden in Eurovision because…“

And this is ridiculous too with Sweden in my personal top 5 at least half the years since 2010. I only criticized the Swedish "Björkman - Österdahl“ connection.

But - I won’t say anything anymore. You won. Congratulations.

You seem to be on a personal agenda against me when I was just trying to "fight" for the underdog countries in Eurovision and justice for some.

Through the years we had some people here in the know about juries rigging and cheating etc. who wrote about it - and nobody believed them until last year juries were caught and these people were correct.

But of course, close your eyes and celebrate Sweden’s success.

 

[Fierro]

10. Tvorchi who found out that their city was bombed by Russia 10 minutes before the performance. And showed that we must go on no matter what. Now compare this to any other country. Russia literally bombed UA: PBC last March. Ukrainian broadcaster organized a NF in a bomb shelter/subway. Tvorchi couldn't even make a proper revamp, because the country was in the midst of blackouts, the border was closed. There was no electricity for 16 hours per day. It lasted for 2-3 months, but "with our luck" it ended just 2 weeks before the deadline. Tvorchi funded like 80% of their participation. They needed to obtain additional special documents for their team to leave the country. Not to mention the road, it was probably easier to travel from Australia, lol. Due to war it was problematic to order stuff needed for the props, so they had only NF staging option. They had so many obstacles, it's outstanding they could serve such performance

I have 'friend of a friend' who knows Tvorchi and they said that the band members are in a debt right now

 

[GermanBango]

The problem I was pointing out was never about Sweden vs. Finland. For most people it is, so it ends in this Sweden against Finland war. I was kind of impartial since neither Sweden nor Finland was my winner and I didn’t vote for any of them.

BUT - when we start analyzing where it all happend and what went wrong it goes back a long way. Sweden has kind of more or less always been successful in Eurovision. I didn’t look it up but my guts say it’s probably in the top 5 of all countries, based on their success, even if we didn’t count their results from 2000 and onwards when they started dominating. I mean there is nothing wrong with being eager and trying to achieve the best you can.

The question is: how far would you go to reach your goal? And there is this line that Sweden imho crossed a while ago which started around 2010.

Anna Bergendahl not even making it to the final was more or less the crucial point. Norway won shortly before, Russia won shortly before, Germany won the 2010 edition… all big names. Eastern European countries had a row of victories before, also their neighbours Denmark and Finland won in that decade. So basically every household name but Sweden - the country that has always been so dedicated to Eurovision. I‘m sure that hurt their pride much.

And then Björkman took over and making up ground with very dubious decisions. Since then Sweden made sure to be called as a top contender each year.



Why do I WANT things to be real? Stop trying to gaslight me, this is ridiculous.
Stop trying to make me believe I made things up.

A) I DO have proof (I mean, real proof, I don’t write everything here)

and

B) if you knew me and my posts back then you knew that I initially defended Björkman here when everyone said he was influencing and rigging the contest. I started research and realized they were right.



Again, stop gaslighting me, who do you think you are?! I know your connections to Sweden so please stop being so biased and attacking other people.



And this is ridiculous too with Sweden in my personal top 5 at least half the years since 2010. I only criticized the Swedish "Björkman - Österdahl“ connection.

But - I won’t say anything anymore. You won. Congratulations.

You seem to be on a personal agenda against me when I was just trying to "fight" for the underdog countries in Eurovision and justice for some.

Through the years we had some people here in the know about juries rigging and cheating etc. who wrote about it - and nobody believed them until last year juries were caught and these people were correct.

But of course, close your eyes and celebrate Sweden’s success.

Huh? I wasn’t even talking about you.
Like where did I mention you? No idea where your outburst is coming from. I don’t have any problem with you at all. I mean … I don’t even know you (and you don’t know me … so what was this Sweden connection bs about lol?). So yea, might as well idk chill?

 

[ESC94]

Huh? I wasn’t even talking about you.

I guess this user has fully crossed over into paranoia territory.

 

[GermanBango]

I guess this user has fully crossed over into paranoia territory.

I‘m just very confused right now tbh. Even more than I usually am.