EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[MopManMoss]

Really?

I could ask who didn't predict that a ballad with strong vocals from Estonia, pop Boy George, and Australia that pays big contributions and its current contract with EBU expires this year, would all be top 10 with the juries?

We knew it.

If you seriously think that the EBU fixes Australias results why would they leave them with embarrassing grand final televotes

 

[12Pointsgoto.....]

Popularity shouldn't be a deciding factor for juries. That is much more of a televoting thing.

Popularity does not always equal to quality.

Maybe the jury votes (and the televotes actually) align often with streaming numbers, because the best songs are streamed most often? Just because they are similar, it doesn't mean that the Juries vote specifically by streaming numbers. Also in what world was Finland ever going to do well with the Juries? The fact that they managed to score so high (4th place) surprised me a lot. The Juries are not here to replicate the televote, otherwise there would be no need for juries. Don't forget just how problematic the televotes are, Spain would have been last.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

If you seriously think that the EBU fixes Australias results why would they leave them with embarrassing grand final televotes

What televote has to do with juries that receive instructions on voting? Didn't get it.

Typically this happens with Australia, jury saves them from bad televote result. Only time it didn't happen was 2021 when Australia was a NQ, but then they basically didn't participate. They sent a video of performance (Montaigne wasn't allowed to leave Australia)

 

[crashworld]

Maybe the jury votes (and the televotes actually) align often with streaming numbers, because the best songs are streamed most often? Just because they are similar, it doesn't mean that the Juries vote specifically by streaming numbers. Also in what world was Finland ever going to do well with the Juries? The fact that they managed to score so high (4th place) surprised me a lot. The Juries are not here to replicate the televote, otherwise there would be no need for juries. Don't forget just how problematic the televotes are, Spain would have been last.

The Eurovision fandom has always been full of contradictions and apply double standards when their favourites didn't win/qualify. When Latvia/Georgia didn't qualify, they ask for juries to be put back in semi.
When Sweden won the jury vote by a landslide and in turn took the crown, abolish juries.
I am like, what do they all want?

And to think that Sweden WAS actually one of the fan favourites in this year's competition until it wasn't.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

The Eurovision fandom has always been full of contradictions and apply double standards when their favourites didn't win/qualify. When Latvia/Georgia didn't qualify, they ask for juries to be put back in semi.
When Sweden won the jury vote by a landslide and in turn took the crown, abolish juries.
I am like, what do they all want?

And to think that Sweden WAS actually one of the fan favourites in this year's competition until it wasn't.

Was Sweden really a fan favourite if there was a significant number of people here and YT reviewers who said the song isn't what was expected? Or was she just preferred and acknowledged by others in a sense she was a former winner and good vocalist? Was she first on Eurovision Scoreboard week before the contest? No.

 

[midnightsun]

Proud to say I disliked the song long before it was cool to dislike it because Käärijä didn’t win!

 

[crashworld]

Was Sweden really a fan favourite if there was a significant number of people here and YT reviewers who said the song isn't what was expected? Or was she just prefered and acknowledged by other in a sense she was a former winner and good vocalist? Was she first on Eurovision Scoreboard week before the contest? No.

I said fan favouriteS. Plural form. She is no. 2 on the Eurovision Scoreboard. Not the TOP fan favourite, but one of the fan favouriteS.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

I said fan favouriteS. Plural form. She is no. 2 on the Eurovision Scoreboard. Not the TOP fan favourite, but one of the fan favouriteS.

Yeah so were Austria or France but noone complains about them not winning.

Btw I agree on fandom's contradictions. They say before semi 1 : Latvia is a NQ. After the semi: We should have a jury so that entries like Latvia could qualify?

Really Columbo? How come one day you think or assume a song can't be successful, next day you whine about it being unsuccessful.

If you think it was underappreciated, why haven't you picked up the phone and voted for it 20 times (as I did many times).

No, people would like to have a jury so that jury can save a song or contestant they normally don't find good enough or engaging enough for a public event like ESC, so that later they can build in their minds this illusion that juries enable quality, regardless of the fact that same song will never be streamed more than 200 times after the contest ends.

 

[crashworld]

Yeah so were Austria or France but noone complains about them not winning.

Because they underperform in their performances maybe that's why most people accepted the defeat?
I would love to see people making a case for either act to win based on the performance they have seen instead of Sweden or Finland (even though I personally prefer Austria's and France's songs to the Sweden's and Finland's).

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Really?

I could ask who didn't predict that a ballad with strong vocals from Estonia, pop Boy George, and Australia that pays big contributions and its current contract with EBU expires this year, would all be top 10 with the juries?

We knew it.

Oh, please... Nobody even considered those songs before contest, even as jury picks for a top 10, and you know it. It's easy to talk later, you know. I can say I easily expected a Loreen landslide more than all those three songs in the top 10, easily.

Everybody knew Loreen would have dominate this year's jury vote and she would have done quite well with the televoters, everybody knew Käärja would have been dominant in the televote and would have not be so big with the Juries. Are you really surprised by the final outcome? Because I'm not. And still there is people thinking Sweden bought its win, just saying...

 

[Loindici]

Let me be really frank in this one.

Sweden are commercially successful and knows how to create catchy tunes/production. But lyrical substance? Oh, far from good, usually. Finland and Norway's products are usually better at that (also applies contextually outside ESC).

Tattoo? Oh, that's like the peak of humdrum and meretriciousness of Swedish pop. Very big and clean sound-wise, but so lyrically trite. It was salvaged because of Loreen, and only Loreen.

Other previous Melfest entries are better than that. Songs on Norway and Finland's selection are better than it this year. Several other entries this year are substantially better lyrically, and more innovative and risky with their production and songwriting choices.

As the grand final commences I do feel Tattoo will do well with the jury, since it's one well-produced song aside the lyrics. But landsliding?

Landsliding?
You know who should've landslided the juries? That fucking awesome Italian poem we all know as Due Vite (yes, the lyrics of Due Vite turned out to be amazing, shame I didn't read them earlier).

Calling Tattoo a great song, would guarantee having a field day with me.

Okay, I gotta have my tea now. Toodles.

 

[heke1988]

Let's all go to camping, set up a camp fire and let's sing together Kumbaya, My Lord!

 

[Loindici]

Let's all go to camping, set up a camp fire and let's sing together Kumbaya, My Lord!

Ah, the forbidden memory:

 

[Ezio]

At my office everyone is disappointed about Austria, Sweden and Finland not winning

 

[Ezio]

Let me be really frank in this one.

Sweden are commercially successful and knows how to create catchy tunes/production. But lyrical substance? Oh, far from good, usually. Finland and Norway's products are usually better at that (also applies contextually outside ESC).

Tattoo? Oh, that's like the peak of humdrum and meretriciousness of Swedish pop. Very big and clean sound-wise, but so lyrically trite. It was salvaged because of Loreen, and only Loreen.

Other previous Melfest entries are better than that. Songs on Norway and Finland's selection are better than it this year. Several other entries this year are substantially better lyrically, and more innovative and risky with their production and songwriting choices.

As the grand final commences I do feel Tattoo will do well with the jury, since it's one well-produced song aside the lyrics. But landsliding?

Landsliding?
You know who should've landslided the juries? That fucking awesome Italian poem we all know as Due Vite (yes, the lyrics of Due Vite turned out to be amazing, shame I didn't read them earlier).

Calling Tattoo a great song, would guarantee having a field day with me.

Okay, I gotta have my tea now. Toodles.

My co-workers agree. Tattoo is not good enough and they don't bother ever listening to it again.

 

[Franzilein]

Man, Swedes on Reddit are something else. "I don't understand why people are upset, public's second favourites have won before" followed by "I think the juries' points reflect the people's opinion pretty well" Dafuq.

 

[Ezio]

Omg my mom the phone right now. She watched the Eurovision this year since forever and i didnt know that.

She is so pissed that Sweden won. I have never heard her so upset about anything related to ESC. The song is awful in her opinion and she looks like a devil, like a snake. She loved Finland, Italy, Slovnia, Norway. And of course, she missed Austria because she tuned in too late and doesn't even know our song.
Also in the company everyone said that they dont agree with Sweden at all.

 

[midnightsun]

I copy a part from what I‘ve written in the Finnish thread.

All the footage from the green "room" show that most artists stood close to Käärijä all the time and even tuned in chanting Cha Cha Cha with the crowd. Everybody congratulated him or cuddled him or comforted him while nobody did that to Loreen. On her way to the stage she passed various delegations but no one ever bothered to look at her.

That is exactly what I mean. The Swedish team including their ESC supervisor always build such a hype around Sweden that finally not only the public but now also the artists are pissed.

I am not surprised.

Loreen already had her mic/headset on all the time during the voting. After her victory she didn’t need to be prepared to go on stage because they all knew, probably including herself, she would win.

Stage was also ready in the background (her cubes) when she made her way through the green seats. I think it took around 2 - 2:30 mins at most from what I could see in the video and its time stamps.

I wonder why she needed two longer breaks before and after her first performance. She got a 3:30 min break before her performance and a 3:00 min break after her performance before Albania started.

As an artist I would be really upset Sweden always gets the little extra.

 

[crashworld]

I copy a part from what I‘ve written in the Finnish thread.

All the footage from the green "room" show that most artists stood close to Käärijä all the time and even tuned in chanting Cha Cha Cha with the crowd. Everybody congratulated him or cuddled him or comforted him while nobody did that to Loreen. On her way to the stage she passed various delegations but no one ever bothered to look at her.

That is exactly what I mean. The Swedish team including their ESC supervisor always build such a hype around Sweden that finally not only the public but now also the artists are pissed.

To be honest, isn't Loreen ESC royalty? I mean afterall, she is a previous winner and has always been well-respected in the community. I am not surprised if the artists may feel like she is this ESC superstar and find it a little difficult to establish rapport or connect with her.

Plus, she seems like an eccentric character (I mean always in her "meditative" state), as compared to Kaarija who is more "relatable" & "fun" (despite being an eccentric character himself).

It's also easier for artists to bond and mix around if they started from ground zero together (ie. not internationally well-known).

I wouldn't read too much into that and conclude the artists are pissed about Loreen's win. It's natural for people to gravitate towards the people they connect with.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

To be honest, isn't Loreen ESC royalty? I mean afterall, she is a previous winner and has always been well-respected in the community. I am not surprised if the artists may feel like she is this ESC superstar and find it a little difficult to establish rapport or connect with her.

Plus, she seems like an eccentric character (I mean always in her "meditative" state), as compared to Kaarija who is more "relatable" & "fun" (despite being an eccentric character himself).

It's also easier for artists to bond and mix around if they started from ground zero together (ie. not internationally well-known).

I wouldn't read too much into that and conclude the artists are pissed about Loreen's win. It's natural for people to gravitate towards the people they connect with.

I would say the same had I not heard comments from Luke, Konstrakta, today Croatian jury (noone gave her 12 but Albina - Tick Tock @Underdark you were right saw it today).

Also Croatian commentator of Grand Final broadcast was quite critical about her during Saturday's live. He complained about behaviour on press conference. I have never heard him doing that, in past 15 years.

These are some indicators that something was off