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ESC - what would you improve for the future?

Joyride

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So tell me - what would YOUR perfect ESC be like?

How would you avaoid block voting, which countries should be taking part in your opinion, would your starting time differ, would your rules be different... and so on!

I thought about it for a while... maybe they should cancel the semi finals but do local aereas semis instead, pe-selections e.g. just like the do for the Soccer World Cup.

Scandinavians could do one on their own and the best two pass, Balkan countries do one on their own and the best two pass... and so on. There is no block voting in the semis and you have only two countries of "the same kind" in the final at the most.
 

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And why should so called "block voting" be avoided?

Germany and Italy proved that block voting doesn't really influence anything. Turkey & Armenia proved that it's useless in the semis.
It's already perfect as it is.


The best option is to send what appeals to the vast majority of countries. Like Lena, Rybak, Tom Dice or Gualazzi.
 

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Id change quite few things :mrgreen:.

- Russia should become part of Big 6.
- A new voting system where the Televote provides the baseline for the result and then once the Juries have voted, the result is adjusted to make it fairer (by abolishing or limiting bloc + diaspora voting) and ensure that only songs which are popular with both the Jury's and Televotes can succeed. Votes from Televotes from countries to countries which are a regular occurrence eg United Kingdom and Greece, Belarus and Russia, Denmark and Iceland and Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, would have their results adjusted downwards to take account of this, enabling popular songs of both the Televoters and Juries to get high points and redistributing high points out to countries which were popular but stunted by bloc voting.
- The addition of 9 and 11 points.
- Big 6 + host allowed to choose their positions in the GrandFinal and SemiFinal participants allowed to chose their positions in the SemiFinals.
- 10 people allowed on stage instead of 6.
- Up-to 4 minute performances instead of 3 minutes.
- Instruments allowed to be played live on stage.
- All entries must have the opportunity for pyro's and special effects (atm I think it's only a certain number but I could be wrong).
- Photographs should be allowed to be taken inside the Arena.
- Allow a certain amount of backing track (but not pre-recorded main vocals obviously ;)).
- Immediately after the points given by each country, the Televote and Jury ranking must appear.
- All of Big 6 + participants of opposite SemiFinal allowed to vote in one SemiFinal, then swap over for the other.
- Extend the show by 1 hour (in recent years parts of it appear to be rushed, especially the SemiFinals).
- Eurovision to take place in August or December - a bit different I know but I think it'd be better suited for August because a lot of people are on holiday = more viewers and for December because the cold nights mean more people are inside = more viewers.
- Work towards the setting up of Worldvision to compliment Eurovision but not replace it.

So there are my ideas :D.
 
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Bring back the orchestra and the language rule. ;)
 

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I'm on the orchestra bandwagon, me want me want me likey! There should be a limit on how many times countries can use English (if it's not their official language) each decade, let's say 3 times per 10 years. Let's have more songs in countries' official languages :). I think that's a fair compromise.

@Adam: wouldn't it be nice if we could have it NOT DURING EXAM SEASON. I so so so so so agree with either August or December, more revenue and more viewers for sure. Not only are they home, they also are not too busy during those months, so they have actual leisure time or detente or whatever. In conclusion, more time to watch the ESC, Reggie's gonna be happy if this ever came true :lol:
 

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I'm sick of English, english, english . . . . I'm on board wih the language rule. The orchestra is great too for those countries who would want to use it.
 

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I always had thi idea! To make the Eurovision a 8 nights show containing 1 opening show, 6 Semifinals and one Final:

I. Opening show: Host country, :de:, :it:, :es:, :fr:, :uk: (They will all sing their song in the Opening night, no voting, no nothing)

II. Semifinal 1: :ch:, :at:, :pl:, :cz:, :sk:, :hu:, :ro:, :md: and :li: (only participating countries + :de: and the host country vote; the Top 4 qualifies)

III. Semifinal 2: :pt:, :gr:, :bg:, :al:, :ad:, :mt:, :mc:, :sm:, :tr:, :cy: and :il: (only participating countries + :it:, :es: and the host country vote; the Top 4 qulifies)

IV. Semifinal 3: :mk:, :ba:, :rs:, :me:, :hr: and :sl: (only participating countries + the host country vote; the Top 3 qualifies)

V. Semifinal 4: :am:, :az:, :ge:, :by:, :ua:, :ru: and :kz: (only participating countries + the host country vote; the Top 4 qulifies)

VI. Semifinal 5: :be:, :nl:, :ie: and :lu: (only participating countries + :fr:, :uk: and the host country vote; the winner qualifies) - if there is any other Semifinal we can add this 4 countries and eliminate this Semifinal it would be ok

VII. Semifinal 6: :dk:, :no:, :se:, :fi:, :is:, :lt:, :lv: and :ee: (only participating countries + the host country vote; the Top 4 qualifies)

VIII. Final: the 26 qulifiers (all the countries vote)
 

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I would get rid of the Big 5. and instead allow the top 6 from last year's contest to qualify automatically.

I say! Get rid of the Big 5 and allow ONLY the Top3 from the prevoius contest. If we get Top 6 directly in the Final, some of the might get releaxed and send bold entries just to experiment instead of playing it safe.... And yes I like to play it safe! Get in the Final for sure, reach of the table and go home, rather then send a love or hate song and either win or finish bottom of the Semifinal :lol:
 

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I don't see what's wrong with that... I'd rather have a Eurovision full of Jedwards and Zdob si Zdubs than Blues and Mika Newtons :)

No! I preffer a Eurovision full of depressing and amazing ballads (No one, Angel, Lako je sve, Drip Drop, Bistra voda, Is it true?, Lane moje) :D
 
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I'm on the orchestra bandwagon, me want me want me likey! There should be a limit on how many times countries can use English (if it's not their official language) each decade, let's say 3 times per 10 years. Let's have more songs in countries' official languages :). I think that's a fair compromise.

@Adam: wouldn't it be nice if we could have it NOT DURING EXAM SEASON. I so so so so so agree with either August or December, more revenue and more viewers for sure. Not only are they home, they also are not too busy during those months, so they have actual leisure time or detente or whatever. In conclusion, more time to watch the ESC, Reggie's gonna be happy if this ever came true :lol:

By orchestra, do you mean an actual orchestra in the arena or just playing instruments live on stage? Im not sure how much an actual orchestra would be in keeping when the majority of songs nowadays but I guess it'd be interesting during big ballads or swing songs though! As for official languages, I dont agree :p. Personally, (I know Im selfish :lol:) I do prefer songs in English so I understand them but also I dont think it'd be fair to limit the amount of times a country can use English - they should be able to sing in any language they wish, like now imo. However I urge countries to not sing in English when the singer struggles with it, my Mum thought Dino Merlin was singing in another language :lol:.
Definitely it'd be gorgeous not to have it during exams + May seems like a bit of a strange time like I said when it could achieve much greater viewers and therefore make much more money in the Summer or Winter! Id be so happy too if it came true! :lol:

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As for abolishing Big 5 or Big 6, I think that'd be really unfair as these countries finance the competition and without this money the contest couldnt take place.
 

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But then it's equally unfair on the smaller countries just because they aren't big or rich enough to be important in ESC.

Well it was unfair pre-2004 when they could be excluded from participating but everyone can participate now, just in the SemiFinals. I dont see the problem in that.
 

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But then it's equally unfair on the smaller countries just because they aren't big or rich enough to be important in ESC.

Who probably couldn't even take part without the Big 5.

I dislike how unfair it is that we're always in the final and it would likely do us some good to have to qualify but for the greater good we need to stay in the final.
 

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Who probably couldn't even take part without the Big 5.

I dislike how unfair it is that we're always in the final and it would likely do us some good to have to qualify but for the greater good we need to stay in the final.
Eurovision is just too capitalist for me :)
 

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I think the Big 5 should be scrapped. Mainly because I actually think it's detrimental to those countries, rather than beneficial. If you're good enough to win, you're good enough to get through the semi anyway, and it gives you a greater opportunity to show off your song and gain support.
 

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By orchestra, do you mean an actual orchestra in the arena or just playing instruments live on stage? Im not sure how much an actual orchestra would be in keeping when the majority of songs nowadays but I guess it'd be interesting during big ballads or swing songs though! As for official languages, I dont agree :p. Personally, (I know Im selfish :lol:) I do prefer songs in English so I understand them but also I dont think it'd be fair to limit the amount of times a country can use English - they should be able to sing in any language they wish, like now imo. However I urge countries to not sing in English when the singer struggles with it, my Mum thought Dino Merlin was singing in another language :lol:.
Definitely it'd be gorgeous not to have it during exams + May seems like a bit of a strange time like I said when it could achieve much greater viewers and therefore make much more money in the Summer or Winter! Id be so happy too if it came true! :lol:

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As for abolishing Big 5 or Big 6, I think that'd be really unfair as these countries finance the competition and without this money the contest couldnt take place.

For the orchestra: it depends on what participating countries want. If they want an actual orchestra to give them accompanying music, I'm all for it. If they want to have their own singers play instruments on stage, that sounds good to me too ;) I secretly want to have a dance-ey song like Secret Combination or Get You to have orchestra accompanying them.

As for the language rule, I firmly stand in the limitation of English to 3 to 4 per decade. I think that all of the countries should follow Estonia's lead and give translated subtitles to songs that are not sang in the broadcaster's national language. It was pretty nifty how ETV had it :). My parents thought that Dino, Anastasia and Aurela weren't singing in English.
 

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I think the Big 5 should be scrapped. Mainly because I actually think it's detrimental to those countries, rather than beneficial. If you're good enough to win, you're good enough to get through the semi anyway, and it gives you a greater opportunity to show off your song and gain support.

xgood

Yeah, being in the Big 4/5 has made those countries complacent. If they keep on sending good songs then they wont even need those places
 
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