Bulgaria BULGARIA 2016 - Poli Genova - If Love Was A Crime

[A-lister]

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Sorry but why do some people want chalga?
It's among the worst music genres (so bad that its Uncyclopedia info is more accurate than its Wikipedia info) and most people can't stand it.
Also it wouldn't work since most people hate it, although it might attract some points(not much) in the televoting since it has its fans, but the juries are going to slaughter it (deservedly) because unlike televoters juries can negatively influence a song.
And finally it could be seen as a move of desperation since in some countries turning to chalga/turbofolk is seen as reaching rock bottom.

Sorry but there is a thing called different taste?

"most people hate it" as in you hate it I guess? (because you are certainly no spokesperson for "most people")... because alot of people like it and for westerners it would be something different so contrary to your opinion I'm pretty sure a good chalga entry would attract far more televotes than your everyday imported Swedish song or wailing Disney ballad *yawn*, atleast it's something different and there are lots of examples of catchy chalga songs out there that are great party songs and definetely would bring some unique party flavor to ESC... sure there are bad chalga aswell, but why aim for the bad examples?

Desperate move is importing some lame as boring typical song in English from Sweden or some lame ass wailing ballad to cater to juries lame taste, and btw Bulgaria is not a jury darling regardless so it's better for them to cater to voters than to the juries.

So ESC should only be English westernized standardized Pop or ballads then? God forbid a country sending something that actually represents their music scene, god forbid we'd have SOME fun in ESC.

 

[A-lister]

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The song is in English and is the first (or maybe the second) song of her in that language. Seems that it's possible tomorrow we find out our entry at Eurovision.

Preslava in English? Waste of time.. hope it's something catchy atleast and not your typical ESC sell-out where acts send something completely different from what they usually do only for ESC and cater to boring juries...

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

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So ESC should only be English westernized standardized Pop or ballads then? God forbid a country sending something that actually represents their music scene, god forbid we'd have SOME fun in ESC.

ESC should be about:

1) quality, classy songs

2) variety of music styles

As long as we have a contest with 43 pop songs created only to cater for the cheap, trashy tase of the fanboys (songs like the ones of Donny Montell, Nicky Byrne, Sergey Lazarev, Tooji, Eric Saade and this kind of stuff) and don't exist outside the ESC-bubble, and there aren't songs in different musical styles such as r'n'b, country, soul, hip hop, reggae, jazz, fusion, chillout etc., this contest will never have its musical credibility back, like it had in the 70s, the best decade for the contest. It will happen only when the countries will finally realize it and scrap the pop songs in favour of daring songs such as the ones of Patricia Kaas, Aminata, Rona Nishliu, Boggie, Urban Symphony, The Common Linnets etc.

 

[A-lister]

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ESC should be about:

1) quality, classy songs

2) variety of music styles

As long as we have a contest with 43 pop songs created only to cater for the cheap, trashy tase of the fanboys (songs like the ones of Donny Montell, Nicky Byrne, Sergey Lazarev, Tooji, Eric Saade and this kind of stuff), and there aren't songs in different musical styles such as r'n'b, country, soul, hip hop, reggae, jazz, fusion, chillout etc., this contest will never have its musical credibility back, like it had in the 70s, the best decade for the contest. It will happen only when the countries will finally realize it and scrap the pop songs in favour of daring songs such as the ones of Patricia Kaas, Aminata, Rona Nishliu, Boggie, Urban Symphony, The Common Linnets etc.

I have nothing against Pop, so I don't totally agree with your point, and what is "classy"? Who decides what's "classy"? Only ballads? ESC should be fun aswell and the contest will not have any credibility if it can't produce a single hit....

However it is a huge minus (here I agree with you) if it's ONLY room for standardized western Pop (mostly in English imported from Sweden)...

I noticed you didn't even mention ethno/folk in your list of proposed "diversity", which is another huge problem with today's ESC that only "western" genres are accepted, which is totally against the idea of celebrating European diversity. I think it's important to have diversity in style, but also cultural diversity.

 

[BGN]

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[GianlucaTomoe]

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I have nothing against Pop, so not totally agree with your point, and what is "classy"? Only ballads? ESC should be fun aswell and the contest will not have any credibility if it can't produce a single hit....

However it is a huge if it's ONLY room for standardized western Pop (mostly in English imported from Sweden)...

I noticed you didn't even mention ethno/folk in your list of proposed "diversity", which is another huge problem with today's ESC that only "western" genres are accepted, which is totally against the idea of celebrating European diversity. I think it's important to have diversity in style, but also cultural diversity.

No, ESC shouldn't be fun. ESC in the 70s, when it was at its peak of musical credibility (many singers became famous thanks to the contest and their ESC-songs became evergreen), wasn't fun. It was credible and important for the building of an European musical scene. Hits can't be produced if there are certain countries which keep sending cheap, dated, cliché songs all the time. If countries wanna send pop songs, then they should stick to the current musical trends, instead of sending songs which could have competed in 2000, instead of 2016. But actually, it shouldn't even be about this. As I said, it should be about original songs, songs that remain impress in your mind because they are interesting, even if you don't listen them in the radio. About the ethnofolk songs, some of them failed because they were poor examples of the genre, even more poorly executed on stage, with bad vocals and bad visual performances. We can talk again about cultural diversity when finally ALL the countries will send competitive songs, instead of sending songs created to flop.

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

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Who is Stefan Ilchev? This song is not good enough for ESC, sorry.

I don't think this is the Bulgarian ESC-entry anyway, as BNT on Twitter said that they have selected a female singer, while this song is sung by a mixed-gender duet.

 

[julien4ESC]

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It's very very bad, I hope it is not the eurovision entry.

 

[BGN]

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Stefan is a former participant in the national finals of Eurovision. More or less, a BNT-friendly artist

 

[handeyener]

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Not really an awful song but i think it could stand out more if Preslava sings entirely in bulgarian and Stefan Ilchev do the english chorus because we will have in this edition a lot of songs in eurodance pop style. I kinda took me by surprise the project because this is the first time i listen Preslava singing something on english and not in her usual musical style. As for Stefan Ilchev i´m only familiar with him because of his song Produlzhavam, but misses something. Maybe something more rockish would have worked for both of them.

 

[handeyener]

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This was Stefan Ilchev´s attempt at Eurovision. He doesn´t seem to me a very good live singer

 

[A-lister]

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No, ESC shouldn't be fun. ESC in the 70s, when it was at its peak of musical credibility (many singers became famous thanks to the contest and their ESC-songs became evergreen), wasn't fun. It was credible and important for the building of an European musical scene. Hits can't be produced if there are certain countries which keep sending cheap, dated, cliché songs all the time. If countries wanna send pop songs, then they should stick to the current musical trends, instead of sending songs which could have competed in 2000, instead of 2016. But actually, it shouldn't even be about this. As I said, it should be about original songs, songs that remain impress in your mind because they are interesting, even if you don't listen them in the radio. About the ethnofolk songs, some of them failed because they were poor examples of the genre, even more poorly executed on stage, with bad vocals and bad visual performances. We can talk again about cultural diversity when finally ALL the countries will send competitive songs, instead of sending songs created to flop.

So you mean ESC should be boring? You know that fun doesn't need to equal stupid or low quality right? What I mean with "fun" is that it's also entertaining and uplifting, not just 40 different types of slow songs.

Not sure what you mean, we had great ethnopop in ESC history, some of them even ended up winning...

In the end of the day there can be good and bad in every genre, I am all for quality and diversity, and my point is that it can be done in all genres.

 

[Stiven]

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Sorry but there is a thing called different taste?

"most people hate it" as in you hate it I guess? (because you are certainly no spokesperson for "most people")...

No I do really mean most people Chalga/Turbofolk was banned in our buses due to the masive complaints from the commuters.

because alot of people like it and for westerners it would be something different so contrary to your opinion I'm pretty sure a good chalga entry would attract far more televotes than your everyday imported Swedish song or wailing Disney ballad *yawn*, atleast it's something different and there are lots of examples of catchy chalga songs out there that are great party songs and definetely would bring some unique party flavor to ESC... sure there are bad chalga aswell, but why aim for the bad examples?

Yeah Chalga/Turbofolk is a niche thing it caters to its fans but most people highly dislike it, and can you please name me one of those many examples of good Chalga/Turbofolk party songs because I haven't heard it outside of venues that caters specifically to Chalga/Turbofolk because nobody plays Chalga/Turbofolk outside of their specific venues. And also for most ESC viewers Chalga/Turbofolk would remind them of the horrendous 2004-2008 period so I highly doubt it would attract the casual ESC viewer votes and instead rely solely on its fans.

Desperate move is importing some lame as boring typical song in English from Sweden or some lame ass wailing ballad to cater to juries lame taste, and btw Bulgaria is not a jury darling regardless so it's better for them to cater to voters than to the juries.

Like I said in Some Countries (Like my own) turning to Chalga/Turbofolk is a sign of reaching rock bottom.

So ESC should only be English westernized standardized Pop or ballads then? God forbid a country sending something that actually represents their music scene, god forbid we'd have SOME fun in ESC.

Typical A-Lister I never said that stop bringing up in every single post of yours.

 

[GWTW1939]

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I love a good ethnic entry as much as the next person but there isn't any reason to trash the more mainstream pop songs. There seems to be a growing trend for this and I'm not particularly fond of it. Not to mention the one where its automatically great and deserves to be in the final just cause its got ethnic elements in it. There is no reason to have a meltdown if Bulgaria goes the pop route even if it is disappointing.

 

[Mrm]

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[MENTION=12847]Stiven[/MENTION]

You are against chalga and turbo folk, and you put Boki 13 on avatar! I'm really sorry bu smth is wrong in here..

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

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In the meanwhile, I've asked BNT on Twitter when we will know the name of the Bulgarian singer at ESC 2016, and they've answered me "When we have a song". Sigh...

 

[Stiven]

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[MENTION=12847]Stiven[/MENTION]

You are against chalga and turbo folk, and you put Boki 13 on avatar! I'm really sorry bu smth is wrong in here..

I know, the reason why I have Boki 13 as an avatar is because I find his music so bad that it makes me laugh (on other forums I have Gulabica as my avatar).

 

[Mrm]

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[MENTION=12847]Stiven[/MENTION]

I supposed so! hahahahah

 

[Mrm]

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Preslava and Stefan is not bad at all, I can see it as an interesting performance in ESC...

I hope we will know the representative and the entry soon!

 

[John1]

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Preslava's song is dreadful...