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Well obviously Sir Aliyev thinks so, otherwise he wouldnt have imprisoned a young man for 2 1/2 years who dressed up as a donkey, would he? Or filmed a radio show host in her bedroom and released it into public. Clearly he feels threatened, he knows that one day freedom will bring him down and his repression.
He clearly isnt even knowledgable enough to know that propaganda doesnt wash in free countries, and that Eurovision will actually damage the reputation of Azerbaijan and himself in the eyes of the rest of Europe, because his crimes have become known to many millions more people than they were beforehand!

Dude you don't understand , the nation must be change, it is nothing else to do government. Look at UK when it was 20 years old and how was it? I understand and i agree with you some ideas. However, nothing changes right away. But trust me if 100% nation would not be happy with government they will kick them out. We did once against Red Army 20 January 1990 (USSR). So we could do again,
 

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After that event, there were no problems with other bloggers. Today, there is no one who has been arrested because of posting something negative about government. You can just search and find. I mean, today we have no problems in criticizing via internet.
 

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Dude you don't understand , the nation must be change, it is nothing else to do government. Look at UK when it was 20 years old and how was it? I understand and i agree with you some ideas. However, nothing changes right away. But trust me if 100% nation would not be happy with government they will kick them out. We did once against Red Army 20 January 1990 (USSR). So we could do again,
Well the UK 20 years ago was when I was born, and I know that you certainly didnt have cameras put in your bedroom, or people were arrested for calling the Prime Minister a donkey! The fact that Azerbaijan is "young" is just an excuse used by the regime to justify their repression of the people... look at Estonia, also just 20 years old. Does stuff like this happen there? Not to my knowledge!
 

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Well the UK 20 years ago was when I was born, and I know that you certainly didnt have cameras put in your bedroom, or people were arrested for calling the Prime Minister a donkey! The fact that Azerbaijan is "young" is just an excuse used by the regime to justify their repression of the people... look at Estonia, also just 20 years old. Does stuff like this happen there? Not to my knowledge!

Estonia is in EU ;)
 

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And who worked up to get Estonia into the EU? Estonia. Azerbaijan could do the same if it wasnt for Mr President...
 

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Are you sure? Even Turkey cannot get into EU although there is no problem with democracy...

There is a huge role of geopolitics. Try to look to the situation from Azerbaijan's side. There are 3 countries in Caucasus and currently each one of the superpowers try to pull these countries to their side. Azerbaijan still remains a little bit neutral and tries to keep balanced politics towards them.
 

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Is there any site where I can see the whole documentary? Because in YT there's only 2 minutes of it. Does BBC Panorama usually upload whole videos or only a short synopsis?
 

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It might go up in a week or so online, as they are repeating it again on TV first.
 

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OK, thanks for the info. I'll check it online in a week or two;)
 

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Here we are Interrail! :D

Thanks Adam!
I just watched it...Hmmm...I expected to be smth like this (some of these stories r not surprise to me, I heard for some), but it still makes me angry seeing how some ppl r treatedxdown.
 

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Thanks Adam!
I just watched it...Hmmm...I expected to be smth like this (some of these stories r not surprise to me, I heard for some), but it still makes me angry seeing how some ppl r treatedxdown.

Might be you expected, but you don't know whole story. Even Journalist from BBC don't know what is going on. In the first video 12:25 the man, whose name is Ali Karimli.. Do you think they cares people? Some used to people trust him in 2003 but now he is just trying to use Eurovision agaist government. Opposition side is weak too. I am not protecting government. none off them good. They just fighting for oil. I hope it will be totally new president but not this guys. But first nation mind should change and takes time. I personally don't like Ilham, but he did some good thinks for country.

Unfortunately, this system works not only in Azerbaijan but also, all ex USSR countries (except Georgia).

About Armenian vote. Well yes i agree that was unfair, but i want to ask this journalist if "BBC" "trying" to protect human rights, where were them in 1992 -1993. When the civil Azerbaijanis dead in khojali. When i lost my grandmother.. Where were the f ...king human rights?

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Who is going to protect this babies rights? EU? BBC? you will never understand me and from outside it is very easy to judge.


^ You're in New York City :/

Dude don't you think i am going back to my country for vacation? If someone monitoring "me".....then why i have to make problem for myself? for what? to prove you something that you don't care?
 

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You keep going back to the 1990s, peace is the way forward, not violence from the past. In addition, the last thing we want is for this to become political bull once again between Azerbaijan and Armenia. I've stated who I believe has acted with the most integrity over the issue in the politics forum, Im not prepared to bring it up here though.
I dont know whether you're going on holiday to Azerbaijan or not, but you should be careful if you say you want a new President. The evidence is clear, not only is the regime there deeply unfair and self-serving, they abuse their people and rule with an iron fist. No better than the Soviets they replaced. I wish that Azerbaijan was not hosting the contest, I do not wish to see the contest I love and enjoy turn into a propaganda fest (which it already has) for a man which I would happily see dead.
 

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why not past? It is not part of human rights? Your family with you how about "us"? anyways ...If you want to change ex Soviet regime change Russia first if you can.
Sh*t happens. Germany bombed my country not too many decades ago. Reason not to be best friends now? Course not. Germany wiped out 6 million Jews the same time ago. Reason for Israel and Germany not to be friends? Nope.
The same time as the 1990s, the Troubles were still going on in these islands, many people killed. Does that mean that we too should arrest, abuse and kill people? Charge people for voting for Ireland at Eurovision? Hmm??

As for Russia, it may be a highly corrupt one, but it is a democracy nonetheless. Azerbaijan is a dictatorship. Only Belarus comes close to rivalling it in terms of its repressiveness.
 

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Sh*t happens. Germany bombed my country not too many decades ago. Reason not to be best friends now? Course not. Germany wiped out 6 million Jews the same time ago. Reason for Israel and Germany not to be friends? Nope.
The same time as the 1990s, the Troubles were still going on in these islands, many people killed. Does that mean that we too should arrest, abuse and kill people? Charge people for voting for Ireland at Eurovision? Hmm??

As for Russia, it may be a highly corrupt one, but it is a democracy nonetheless. Azerbaijan is a dictatorship. Only Belarus comes close to rivalling it in terms of its repressiveness.

hahahaha Russia and democracy? give me break looool..... That why President election is now 6 years)))

Yes whatever example you said is done, now it is past.. but our problem is still going on.
 

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At least Russia has elections, that sort of represent the will of the people, not candidates (President's family member) winning 96% of the vote :roll:. As I said, Russia is extremely corrupt, but a democracy nonetheless.
Azerbaijan's problem is the donkey President and his family. Not Armenia.
 
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