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[A-lister]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

even if its English but as long as not outsourced?

Well, yeah that's better than nothing...

Atleast it will be a product of the country...

 

[Stuff]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

what do you guys think of an outsourced song but sang in Azeri?

 

[A-lister]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

what do you guys think of an outsourced song but sang in Azeri?

Well, there was an Azeri version of Sabina's entry which was pretty good (also it had more ethnic elements to it)...

If it's in Azeri language then my bet is that atleast songwriters would be Azeris, so that means it would atleast be partly a homegrown product...

 

[Galandar]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

We are proud of our culture and music so don't even try to show it the other way round! It is just when it comes to ESC, Ictimai prefers to send westernized songs sang in English. They beieve it gives us more chance to get higher positions in the contest. In fact, it is true and the results of the previous years is a good proof of that. Nevertheless, I personally would love to see a song sang in Azerbaijani regardless whether it is a pop, rock, jazz or even a folk song

 

[A-lister]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

We are proud of our culture and music so don't even try to show it the other way round! It is just when it comes to ESC, Ictimai prefers to send westernized songs sang in English. They beieve it gives us more chance to get higher positions in the contest. In fact, it is true and the results of the previous years is a good proof of that. Nevertheless, I personally would love to see a song sang in Azerbaijani regardless whether it is a pop, rock, jazz or even a folk song

Well, how is it a proof when you never tried anything else really (except for the debut)? You never really tried anything else so you can't say you would fail with it?

Anyways, Azerbaijan has proven that it works to shop-for-songs, now it should be time to show of Azeri talents to the rest of Europe finally... ! So far, the image Azerbaijan has given to rest of Europe, are that you don't believe in yourself as much to showcase what you can accomplish by yourself... it's a weird way of showing "pride"

 

[Galandar]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

Well, how is it a proof when you never tried anything else really (except for the debut)? You never really tried anything else so you can't say you would fail with it?

Anyways, Azerbaijan has proven that it works to shop-for-songs, now it should be time to show of Azeri talents to the rest of Europe... ! So far, the image Azerbaijan has given to rest of Europe, are that you don't believe in yourself as much to showcase what your have... it's a weird way of showing "pride"

I explained why, it does so only when it comes to ESC. In any case we are not alone and there is a good number of countries doing the same year after year. This trend was already in favour at times we joined ESC so just keep doing something many countries did in 2000th.

 

[A-lister]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

I explained why, it does so only when it comes to ESC. In any case we are not alone and there is a good number of countries doing the same year after year. This trend was already in favour at times we joined ESC so just keep doing something many countries did in 2000th.

But ESC is a platform for you to showcase yourself to the rest of Europe, the majority will never find out about Azeri music in any other way, yet we never get to hear any

Yes, other countries shop abroad for songs aswell, but there's no denying that the Azeri case is in a league of its own really (5/6 entries). It's becoming a bit like a caricature, just like everyone expect Belarus to change their chosen entry in the last second, everyone are now expecting Azerbaijan to import an entry from abroad (with atleast some Swede involved).

I mean, none of the songs have been bad really, but it's a pity because we never really get to know Azeri music...

 

[Galandar]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

But ESC is a platform for you to showcase yourself to the rest of Europe, the majority will never find out about Azeri music in any other way, yet we never get to hear any

Yes, other countries shop abroad for songs aswell, but there's no denying that the Azeri case is in a league of its own really (5/6 entries). It's becoming a bit like a caricature, just like everyone expect Belarus to change their chosen entry in the last second, everyone are now expecting Azerbaijan to import an entry from abroad (with atleast some Swede involved).

I mean, none of the songs have been bad really, but it's a pity because we never really get to know Azeri music...

Do you mean it is all about listening to genuine Azeri music at ESC? There is plenty of ways to find out real Azeri music

Btw all your messages are kinda repetitive speaking about the same issue over and over :roll: You could easily copy paste one of your messages about Azerbaijan at ESC, content would have been still the same

 

[A-lister]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

It is not all about listening to genuine Azeri music at ESC. There is plenty of ways to find out real Azeri music

Yes, but the vast majority doesn't live their lives on YT or Google

If I were Azeri I would be upset that my broadcaster dismiss everything local... I mean it doesn't have to even be ethnic or in Azeri language, but atleast made by Azeris...

I mean you honestly feel like these imported entries represent your country?

 

[Galandar]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

If I were Azeri I would be upset that my broadcaster dismiss everything local... I mean it doesn't have to even be ethnic or in Azeri language, but atleast made by Azeris...

What are you trying to make me feel? Haven't you noticed all my comments regarding this issue? If not then open your eyes wider and read my comments more carefully

 

[A-lister]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

What are you trying to make me feel? Haven't you noticed all my comments regarding this issue? If not then open your eyes wider and read my comments more carefully

I was just generally speaking... here it seemed as if you weren't that bothered.

I think Azerbaijan should bring Sabina back with a ballad in Azeri, a bit like the Azeri/ethnic version of the 2012 entry... that would be nice.

Actually that is my fav Azeri entry to date I must add...

 

[Haverdge]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

It's called an inferiority complex. Ictimai seems to think that anything below 5 is somehow reflective of the country as a whole. They don't think their domestic stuff is good enough to get the rest of Europe to like them (which is what they've been desperately trying to do over the years) so they take the easier route and pay talented people to write and choreograph their stuff for them. It's kind of sad, actually.

 

[A-lister]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

It's called an inferiority complex. Ictimai seems to think that anything below 5 is somehow reflective of the country as a whole. They don't think their domestic stuff is good enough to get the rest of Europe to like them (which is what they've been desperately trying to do over the years) so they take the easier route and pay talented people to write and choreograph their stuff for them. It's kind of sad, actually.

Sadly that's probably the case

Pity for all Azeri musicians who never gets a chance to show themselves to the European public...

 

[Krishoes]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

I'm curious to the discover one of the songs in the top 5 next year.

 

[PashonFrut]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

It's called an inferiority complex. Ictimai seems to think that anything below 5 is somehow reflective of the country as a whole. They don't think their domestic stuff is good enough to get the rest of Europe to like them (which is what they've been desperately trying to do over the years) so they take the easier route and pay talented people to write and choreograph their stuff for them. It's kind of sad, actually.

Oh wow. You must be a psychologist How do you know what Ictimai thinks?

It is sad. Let me get a tissue and cry a river

 

[KissMeYouFool]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

never mind

 

[KissMeYouFool]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

It's called an inferiority complex. Ictimai seems to think that anything below 5 is somehow reflective of the country as a whole. They don't think their domestic stuff is good enough to get the rest of Europe to like them (which is what they've been desperately trying to do over the years) so they take the easier route and pay talented people to write and choreograph their stuff for them. It's kind of sad, actually.

every Armenian on this board is an expert on Azerbaijan

 

[KissMeYouFool]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

as far as Azeri music goes, I think it is very rich and it actually fuses extremely well with other genres and other ethnic elements.

here is just a tiny bit of we have:

This is an old Azeri folk song "Lachin" performed by an Israeli duo Anna RF in collaboration with an azerbaijani artist Imamyar Hasanov.

here the collaboration between famous Norwegian choir Skruk and azerbaijani artists Brillian Dadasheva and Ilgar Muradov

The song Landet vi Kommer Fra is based on azeri folk song "Sari Gelin"

based on song Sensiz Olan by Galib Mammadov

and here is a completely different direction yet no less awesome. Famous azeri singer Alim Qasimov (you may remember him as a guy who sang with Sabina Babayeva last year) together with an acclaimed South American band Altiplano. They mixed two folk songs - an azeri Endim Bulaq Basina and Cuban Son de Mayari

I absolutely love this trek.

and then there is this.

this is an old song from 80s. Briliant Dadasheva sings "Bayatilar" by Eldar Mansurov (can you imagine that all music videos back in the USSR looked like this )

this song has been remade in Turkey, Greece, Brazil, Serbia, Iran, Russia and god knows in how many more countries

[video=youtube;j1ckOnMxeDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j1ckOnMxeDs#![/video]

but the most famous rendition is of course this one:

and then there is of course this. One of the most recognizable melodies from Buddha-Bar series. Sen gelmez oldun

and this is only a fraction of what azerbaijani music is all about. Now why Ictimai is not tapping into this vast resourse I don't know. I'm just as puzzled as the next guy. But if I have to guess, I think it may have to do with the fact vast majority of the ESC audience is not into this kind of music. If you look at past winners almost all of them were of a cookie-cutter variety.

 

[KissMeYouFool]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

and then there is magnificent Aziza one of the most acclaimed contemporary jazz artists in Europe. But this is so NOT Eurovision material.

 

[KissMeYouFool]

re: AZERBAIJAN 2014 - Dilara Kazimova

and this is the most amazing case of Azeri music inspiration. An old azeri folk song Qalaliyam ("I'm from Qala") earned global fame thanks to an armenian-american singer Cathy Berberian. From wiki:

Berberian discovered the last song "Qalalıyam",known in the suite as "Azerbaijan Love Song", on a 78 RPM record from the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic, sung in the Azerbaijani language except for one verse in Russian, which a Russian-speaking friend told her compared love to a stove. Berberian sang, purely by rote, the sounds she transcribed as best she could from that scratchy old record. She knew not one word of Azerbaijani.

this is how it sounds in the original

and this is how it sounds in South America