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I think I explained it in my post. There was no outcome except Paenda. I think the swiss way is the better one. Give artists who want to perform at eurovision the guidance they need to write or find good songs. dont just wait for good songs. I would put a famous face like Conchita or Cesar to the front and let somehow the public or at least the fans accompany the selection process.

Hm actually every artist since 2016 has been found that way not just paenda or what do u mean by outcome? And artists for songwriting Camps need to be scouted aswell, but I think i get what you mean.

Lets put it that way: orf is very late every year to decide the process (almost as if eurovision comes as a surprise...)
last year there was no official plan until August and the selection begins in september so there is not much time if the scouts dont start searching for interested acts before that by themselves (which they do)

And they've let fans accompany the selection process.
And a lot of artists dont want to be part of a preselection or let the public know that they took part if they dont get selected
 

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I mean that Paenda was the only act that somehow had a standing in the austrian music scene before she was nominated for eurovision, maybe Zoe a bit. Nathan, Cesar, Pia Maria, Teya and Salena, Kaleen - all of them were absolutely unknown artists. Vincent was a musical act. With scouting I mean that someone actively gets approached. I dont think that any of them inlcuding LUMIX were approached. I remember that Nathan was approached by Eberhard Forcher, but that was more a coincidence.

But I am with you. My aim was not to critisize the scouts but the system including the scouts. I think their role should be a different one or one with more possibilities. This all should be an all year round process: find interested renown artists and also newcomers, organise song writing camps and decide in the fall. skip the international fan juries. The scouting process should be managed by different people than the decision process. both should have management skills.
 

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I mean that Paenda was the only act that somehow had a standing in the austrian music scene before she was nominated for eurovision, maybe Zoe a bit. Nathan, Cesar, Pia Maria, Teya and Salena, Kaleen - all of them were absolutely unknown artists. Vincent was a musical act. With scouting I mean that someone actively gets approached. I dont think that any of them inlcuding LUMIX were approached. I remember that Nathan was approached by Eberhard Forcher, but that was more a coincidence.

But I am with you. My aim was not to critisize the scouts but the system including the scouts. I think their role should be a different one or one with more possibilities. This all should be an all year round process: find interested renown artists and also newcomers, organise song writing camps and decide in the fall. skip the international fan juries. The scouting process should be managed by different people than the decision process. both should have management skills.

like it's so interesting that no one with a career wants to do esc in austria. the same with denmark.
 

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what do you think of Salenas new song "picky promise" ?
its not on youtube or at least difficult to find. google doesnt like it either. it is auto corrected to pinky promise.
 

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what do you think of Salenas new song "picky promise" ?
its not on youtube or at least difficult to find. google doesnt like it either. it is auto corrected to pinky promise.
the production killed the song in my eyes. salena has a lot of soul in her voice but there is no soul in that song. the song sounds as if five different composers wrote it independently and at the end someone randomly put the pieces together.
 

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Really curious how ORF will handle the future. Sending three community favourites in a row with mid to bad results in the end is honestly not a situation I would like to be in. With what approach do you even go forward now? I did understand Lumix not qualifying, wasn't a fan of Halo either, but I thoroughly enjoyed T&S and Kaleen and had hoped for better placements for them.
 

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Really curious how ORF will handle the future. Sending three community favourites in a row with mid to bad results in the end is honestly not a situation I would like to be in. With what approach do you even go forward now? I did understand Lumix not qualifying, wasn't a fan of Halo either, but I thoroughly enjoyed T&S and Kaleen and had hoped for better placements for them.

The problem with all three songs was that they were void of any authenticity. They were just bops and nothing else (edgar allan poe had a bit of a message hence the better jury score).

I've been saying it for a while but Austria needs to send something underground, indie, in german. This doesn't mean boring or "not-esc-friendly" but just something that will appeal to both the juries and the televote.
 

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Really curious how ORF will handle the future. Sending three community favourites in a row with mid to bad results in the end is honestly not a situation I would like to be in. With what approach do you even go forward now? I did understand Lumix not qualifying, wasn't a fan of Halo either, but I thoroughly enjoyed T&S and Kaleen and had hoped for better placements for them.
Austria is not Germany. The results of the last two years are ok for most of the people here at least for ORF. I think this years viewing figures have been the highest since 2015 when ORF hosted. everything is fine as long as Austria reaches the final. thus there wont be many changes I guess. they just will do something against the leaks or at least try to.
 

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Really curious how ORF will handle the future. Sending three community favourites in a row with mid to bad results in the end is honestly not a situation I would like to be in. With what approach do you even go forward now? I did understand Lumix not qualifying, wasn't a fan of Halo either, but I thoroughly enjoyed T&S and Kaleen and had hoped for better placements for them.
You need to keep in mind that T&S came 2nd in the SF and that in the final the results between 10th and 15th place were very close. :at: was not far away from 10th place, the place that the odds had suggested.
 

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You need to keep in mind that T&S came 2nd in the SF and that in the final the results between 10th and 15th place were very close. :at: was not far away from 10th place, the place that the odds had suggested.

Yeah, I know, still infuriates me. It was Czech Republic 2022 all over again, blasting through the semi final and then having to open the final where people could not vote from the start like this year. Cursed running order.
Maybe I'm not realistic enough, really liked Austria's past two entries, so seeing them not finishing higher was a bit frustrating :lol: But I hope ORF continues its road and doesn't label their last attempts as "failures" (which is thankfully not the case according to marty), sometimes well-received songs by the public don't translate to many points, ESC is weird like that.
 

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I mean that Paenda was the only act that somehow had a standing in the austrian music scene before she was nominated for eurovision, maybe Zoe a bit. Nathan, Cesar, Pia Maria, Teya and Salena, Kaleen - all of them were absolutely unknown artists. Vincent was a musical act. With scouting I mean that someone actively gets approached. I dont think that any of them inlcuding LUMIX were approached. I remember that Nathan was approached by Eberhard Forcher, but that was more a coincidence.

But I am with you. My aim was not to critisize the scouts but the system including the scouts. I think their role should be a different one or one with more possibilities. This all should be an all year round process: find interested renown artists and also newcomers, organise song writing camps and decide in the fall. skip the international fan juries. The scouting process should be managed by different people than the decision process. both should have management skills.
Maybe ur wish has been heard and the approach will be broadened this year 😉
 

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If :at: held a NF again,the song outcome would probably be something like this and the crowd would be randomly going crazy just like in this clip. No thanks, never trust :at: NF and :at: audience. We’re not mature enough for it haha.
 

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If :at: held a NF again,the song outcome would probably be something like this and the crowd would be randomly going crazy just like in this clip. No thanks, never trust :at: NF and :at: audience. We’re not mature enough for it haha.
This!
Rember that the Austrian public chose Trackshittaz over Conchita. And we know how their entries did in comparison. :ROFLMAO:
 
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And this xheat


Literally any song in that NF would've been better than Du bist tbh
I have been waiting a long time for the first eurovision entry in sign language. at least a duet would be nice.
 
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