Austria AUSTRIA 2019 - PÆNDA - Limits

[Sammy]

:'D are you for real. He doesn't like the Austrian entry so therefore he is superficial and you all unsubscribe. Tbh the vast majority of people I see hyping your entry are the Austrians themselves. You can't expect everyone who does a reaction video to your entry to sit and breath it in through an oxygen tank.

You're completely right. Surprisingly a lot of reaction videos on the net are far more positive than the fan polls would suggest.
Wiwibloggs on the other hand is a different story: while they already have multiple videos on certain entries, they ignore others completely (not Austria alone, but also) and in some of their videos you see that their verdict is already fixed before the first note is sung - though it's allegedly "a first listen". They start throwing in random associations and phrases without really listening to the song itself from the very first second. A few years ago I really liked them, but I find them more and more annoying at times.

 

[Matt]

No, but the way he expresses it. If he says he describes an entry with a word, then I expect a word.
Also a few weeks ago I was amazed that he had no idea who Eberhard Forcher is, and some other minor things.
He is too superficial for me. The Californian sun seems to have an effect on German virtues.

1. I still don't know who Eberhard Forcher is, why is that a negative?!?
2. Not sure why you think I'm superficial and hopefully I can change that (IMO) wrong perception that you have of me.
3. My "German virtues" (whatever that means), are perfectly intact and I think that statement was just meant to offend and you succeeded in that.


Austria was my favorite in 2014, 2016 and 2018 and I liked both 2015 & 2017. So as of late, it's my favorite ESC country. This is the first time in many, many years where I don't care for Austria's song. I also mentioned on several occasions in my videos that this doesn't speak to me emotionally, but some will emotionally connect with it and that's the beauty about music. I'm not sure what words I should have used to not upset you, but keep in mind that the video that you are referring to was a playful/fun video. I mean who can truly describe a song in one word, it was really just a fun thing. My reaction was purely an expression of indifference, I wasn't even using a bad descriptor. Anyway, I'm just rambling at this point. If my content isn't for you, then I totally understand as it's impossible to cater to everyone. But what I will not accept is being called superficial, that I am not.

 

[lavieenrose]

1. I still don't know who Eberhard Forcher is, why is that a negative?!?

Fun fact: if you don't speak German, Wikipedia will not help you because there is no English article for Eberhard Forcher. Maybe take that energy that you spend unsubscribing to and chiding Matt for not knowing who he is and spend it instead writing an English wiki article for him so that people who don't know who he is, find Matt no help in figuring out, and don't speak German can find out who this vital figure is.

 

[Matt]

:'D are you for real. He doesn't like the Austrian entry so therefore he is superficial and you all unsubscribe.

It's sadly a very common thing. I remember last year, when I actually really liked the Greek entry, Greeks flocked to our channel. During the rehearsals, my team and I noticed that 'less than perfect' staging and predicted non-qualification. The mass exodus started immediately, it comes with the territory. It's one of the reasons why several Youtubers don't want to be too harsh or honest when it comes to a song. People down vote and unsubscribe.

Somebody mentioned wiwibloggs posting multiple videos on the same song. While I'm sure some of that has to do with getting views, it's also always a risk putting videos out there on less liked entries for that reason. II'm sure you all have seen some of the hateful comments people can leave and you just gotta march on.

 

[Ezio]

Oh wow, what an unnecessary drama. There are so many fanpolls and videos outside that put Austria really low this year. So why do you pick on Matt, [MENTION=16272]Lindon[/MENTION]?

We have a year where we are perceived negatively. So what!

I did not like our 2017 entry and my fellow countrymen called me dramatic, negative and stuff. But I am rooting for our 2019 entry, which I really like and I feel really optimistic about it. I don't hear them calling me dramatic, negative and stuff anymore.

Limits is not everyone's cup of tea and it wasn't meant to be. ORF took a risk and I am convinced it will pay off, and along the way we have to take the negative opinions also and not be upset about it.

And ESCUnited, although it is mainly a forum, is 100 times more informative than wiwibloggs. I was very surprised to read about this really interesting story about our 1979 entry Christina Simon, that came last in Jerusalem, but she found a career as composer for Hollywood movies. That was amazing. You don't get to read something this interesting on wiwibloggs at all, it's just about rating songs, hysterical videos full of gibberish and fancying the hunky men of Eurovision.

Maybe the risk will not pay off, refer to 1979 and 1986, but there will always be fans like me who'd listen to this song 50 years from now and sob along.

btw. I am stunned how cringey the last few posts were without my ado

 

[Ezio]

I know she'll attend some pre-parties but is she going to perform the song on Austria tv/radio before that? I'd like to hear a full live version of Limits.

I guess she will perform on Dancing with the stars. The season just kicked off. Conchita and Zoe gave astounding performances that got me very excited.

 

[Ezio]

No, but the way he expresses it. If he says he describes an entry with a word, then I expect a word.
Also a few weeks ago I was amazed that he had no idea who Eberhard Forcher is, and some other minor things.
He is too superficial for me. The Californian sun seems to have an effect on German virtues.

I did not like the word very much neither. I would have preferred "boring" or "depressing". But you would have unsubsribed anyways I guess?

If it's any consolation for your insulted Austrian soul, Dominic Thiem won Indian Wells ATP-1000 tournament and Marcel Hirscher is the first skier to win the World Cup 8 times. :-)

 

[Lindon]

1. I still don't know who Eberhard Forcher is, why is that a negative?!?
2. Not sure why you think I'm superficial and hopefully I can change that (IMO) wrong perception that you have of me.
3. My "German virtues" (whatever that means), are perfectly intact and I think that statement was just meant to offend and you succeeded in that.


Austria was my favorite in 2014, 2016 and 2018 and I liked both 2015 & 2017. So as of late, it's my favorite ESC country. This is the first time in many, many years where I don't care for Austria's song. I also mentioned on several occasions in my videos that this doesn't speak to me emotionally, but some will emotionally connect with it and that's the beauty about music. I'm not sure what words I should have used to not upset you, but keep in mind that the video that you are referring to was a playful/fun video. I mean who can truly describe a song in one word, it was really just a fun thing. My reaction was purely an expression of indifference, I wasn't even using a bad descriptor. Anyway, I'm just rambling at this point. If my content isn't for you, then I totally understand as it's impossible to cater to everyone. But what I will not accept is being called superficial, that I am not.

Fair enough.
I guess I missed the fun part and misinterpreted "meh".
The "meh" did derail me. It sounded denigrating to me.

Thank you for your explanation. You live and learn.

In retrospect it isn't important to know who Eberhard Forcher is. But you are showing so much knowledge about many details of the selection process in various countries, it amazed me that you didn't knew who was mainly responsible for the selection of Nathan Trent , Cesár Sampson or Zoë (she was selected in a NF, but without him she wouldn 't have been in the NF).


I'm sorry I called you superficial, and I apologize for that.

 

[Ezio]

I just figured out that Austria has a real problem this year with the jury voting system because I think that this song will be also quite divisive on jury panels and jury member have the power to cancel out points for a country by placing them really low. A top 10 voting system would be more beneficial for our polarising entry. But the given system spells trouble.

If there are 2 jurors on a panel that love our song, 2 other jurors can totally kill a good score. Maybe televoting is more promising this year, because viewers cant vote against a song. But it will it be enough?

 

[skl]

I just figured out that Austria has a real problem this year with the jury voting system because I think that this song will be also quite divisive on jury panels and jury member have the power to cancel out points for a country by placing them really low. A top 10 voting system would be more beneficial for our polarising entry. But the given system spells trouble.

But it is still better than the pre-2016 system, where a bad televote could kill a good jury score (e.g., Austria 2015 was 13th with the juries alone, but got 0 points overall). Also note there is a difference between semi final and final. In the semi final, the worst score of a jury member can be rank 18, whereas in the final it can be 26th.

Having good and bad scores is still better than having only average scores. To address your extreme example: jury ranks 1, 1, 10, 18, 18 (sum 48) are still better than 5 times rank 10 (sum 50).

But I agree, limiting the jury scores to the top 10 songs would be a good idea.

 

[skl]

To give a real example:

In Semi Final 1 of 2018, Austrian jury members voted with the following ranks for the Belgian entry: 1, 6, 1, 13, 11. This was still enough for 4th overall jury rank (7 points).

Or Albania voted with ranks 3, 3, 17, 4, 17 for Azerbaijan => 6th overall jury rank

See https://eurovision.tv/event/lisbon-2018/first-semi-final/voting-details for further examples

 

[Matt]

Fair enough.
I guess I missed the fun part and misinterpreted "meh".
The "meh" did derail me. It sounded denigrating to me.

Thank you for your explanation. You live and learn.

In retrospect it isn't important to know who Eberhard Forcher is. But you are showing so much knowledge about many details of the selection process in various countries, it amazed me that you didn't knew who was mainly responsible for the selection of Nathan Trent , Cesár Sampson or Zoë (she was selected in a NF, but without him she wouldn 't have been in the NF).


I'm sorry I called you superficial, and I apologize for that.

No harm done, I really appreciate your response. I'm doing okay with the selection process, NFs & ESC history but I'm the first to admit, I have little knowledge of the songwriting staff or choreographers, unless we're talking about the big names such G:Son or Sacha Jean-Baptiste. Although knowing what I know now, I should familiarize myself with him. I mean he wrote two of my favorite songs (Austria 16 & 18).

And yes, I will continue to anger people with my videos but I always try to be funny and respectful. It may not always come across that way, but that is at least the intent. Of course, I can't speak on behalf of everyone on my team, just me.

Anyways, water under the bridge.

 

[Lindon]

No harm done, I really appreciate your response. I'm doing okay with the selection process, NFs & ESC history but I'm the first to admit, I have little knowledge of the songwriting staff or choreographers, unless we're talking about the big names such G:Son or Sacha Jean-Baptiste. Although knowing what I know now, I should familiarize myself with him. I mean he wrote two of my favorite songs (Austria 16 & 18).

And yes, I will continue to anger people with my videos but I always try to be funny and respectful. It may not always come across that way, but that is at least the intent. Of course, I can't speak on behalf of everyone on my team, just me.

Anyways, water under the bridge.

Thank you. Sorry, I've expressed myself misleading again. He is not a composer, he is ORF's chief talent scout since 2015. He proposes to the selection commission the artists and the songs.

As an artist had to learn this year, you can not really apply at ORF for the ESC. You will be approached by Eberhard Forcher and persuaded to participate in the selection.

 

[marty]

Drama completed

 

[gingerale]

Wiwibloggs finally uploaded a reaction video and I think it's a really fair review.

 

[Lindon]

Wiwibloggs finally uploaded a reaction video and I think it's a really fair review.

Randomly picked quotes:
She believes what she's singing.
OMG it's so emotional
She is in control.
This is leaning art piece.
The girl is feeling it. That's no joke.
People are gonna love this or hate this.
This is gonna sail or fail based on the emotion that comes through live.

It's like a painting but you want a lift. And that lift isn't obvious.

She has singer songwriter merits. It feels organic to her. No one handed her this. It's not like - many countries just give a singer a song and you know it is fake.

It is a little too introspective.

It is a quality entry (.......), we need to kind of re-judge in Israel.

 

[Soul]

You forgot: "Pa(e)ndas are best observed live"

 

[Lindon]

Pascal Marchev, who was part of the Swiss selection team last year, published his personal Top 41 on his YT channel. Austria is in his Top 10.

 

[Sammy]

In all the polls I'm following Paenda is slowly but steadily rising. In the ESCNation/Scorwiz poll she is for the first time in the near of a qualification being ranked 12th in the 2nd semi.

 

[Ianp16]

I've grown to love this song. I'm interested to see a performance. Not sure its good first time though.