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Stop it with Poland. This has nothing to do with the country.

That song had very little to offer but a sexy performance. We bring back juries to sink songs like Poland 2014, France 2011, Ukraine 2007 and so on.

Oh plz, just because you dislike it doesn't make the juries' BLATANT sabotage right. Don't for a second think that the Irish and UK juries put this entry dead LAST in both the semi and final just because of the song/performance, then you're truly deluding yourself! In no way possible was this the worst, nor did Cleo or the dancers a bad job in any sense.

I mean you refer to Spain 2014 as definition of "quality", so I rest my case...

Poland 2014, France 2010, Ukraine 2007 : PARTY, FUN and GREAT! Contemporary and native!

Poland 2014 = A great and fun mixture of modern R&B/Pop and folk, native language.

France 2010 = up-to-date catchy contemporary party anthem in native language.

Ukraine 2007 = A Eurovision modern classic, fun and cheeky party song!

Eurovision is DYING without music like this. Dated wailing souless ballads in English that the public do not care about and that doesn't represent the European countries is KILLING this contest.
 

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Well, that song absolutely didn't deserve the 15th place it got. Juries should have pushed it up !

He refereed to France 2010 I assume, he mentioned it on the other page so I think he just wrote the wrong year.
 

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Oh plz, just because you dislike it doesn't make the juries' BLATANT sabotage right. Don't for a second think that the Irish and UK juries put this entry dead LAST in both the semi and final just because of the song/performance, then you're truly deluding yourself! In no way possible was this the worst, nor did Cleo or the dancers a bad job in any sense.

I mean you refer to Spain 2014 as definition of "quality", so I rest my case...

Poland 2014, France 2010, Ukraine 2007 : PARTY, FUN and GREAT! Contemporary and native!

Poland 2014 = A great and fun mixture of modern R&B/Pop and folk, native language.

France 2010 = up-to-date catchy contemporary party anthem in native language.

Ukraine 2007 = A Eurovision modern classic, fun and cheeky party song!

Eurovision is DYING without music like this. Dated wailing souless ballads in English that the public do not care about and that doesn't represent the European countries is KILLING this contest.

Why are you still on this juries blatantly destroyed Poland hype? The performance was tacky and sex-fueled. If you believe Polish nationality is represented by a cheap milkmaid in a dress showing that much cleavage then by all means carry on. But the reason it was quite rightly killed was the fact it had no musical merit whatsoever. I'm not surprised it was put last, even France had a better stage show for the song than Poland; it was a desperate attempt for votes. Had they not had those two sex shows on either side with a washer and a butter churner; and stuck with the traditional dancing with the 4 girls in the middle you'd have a right to moan, but it was a sex show and sex is not a jury vote. Had Conchita decided to perform a strip tease to Rise Like A Phoenix she'd be placed at the bottom as well.
 

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Why are you still on this juries blatantly destroyed Poland hype? The performance was tacky and sex-fueled. If you believe Polish nationality is represented by a cheap milkmaid in a dress showing that much cleavage then by all means carry on. But the reason it was quite rightly killed was the fact it had no musical merit whatsoever. I'm not surprised it was put last, even France had a better stage show for the song than Poland; it was a desperate attempt for votes. Had they not had those two sex shows on either side with a washer and a butter churner; and stuck with the traditional dancing with the 4 girls in the middle you'd have a right to moan, but it was a sex show and sex is not a jury vote. Had Conchita decided to perform a strip tease to Rise Like A Phoenix she'd be placed at the bottom as well.
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Why are you still on this juries blatantly destroyed Poland hype? The performance was tacky and sex-fueled. If you believe Polish nationality is represented by a cheap milkmaid in a dress showing that much cleavage then by all means carry on. But the reason it was quite rightly killed was the fact it had no musical merit whatsoever. I'm not surprised it was put last, even France had a better stage show for the song than Poland; it was a desperate attempt for votes. Had they not had those two sex shows on either side with a washer and a butter churner; and stuck with the traditional dancing with the 4 girls in the middle you'd have a right to moan, but it was a sex show and sex is not a jury vote. Had Conchita decided to perform a strip tease to Rise Like A Phoenix she'd be placed at the bottom as well.

There's no way on earth that Poland had the worst song/performance/vocals in its semi and the final. Now you and all its haters can "pretend" it was judged by, according to you; "its 'sexual' stage show and bad song", but there's LOTS of people who genuinely liked the song for its clever fusion of modern R&B-Pop, folk tunes (the best instrumental middle 8 of all songs in this year's ESC imo), the use of native language and its general cheekiness and irony (and we got the televoting results proving that lots of people actually enjoyed it and aren't a prude bitter bunch!). This is a SONG contest first and foremost, the package counts, but in the end of the day it's the songs that should be judged first and foremost and what they bring to the table. Maybe you disagree, but I think freshness, thinking outside of the standard box of Eurovision and also representing your country are things that SHOULD be supported, and not just bringing the same old tiring cliché to please some old queens in the juries xshrug

The song is ironic, and the stage show was cheeky and reflecting that and I'm sorry for people who take it way too serious and can't relax one bit, but in no way was it any more sexual than most pop stage shows we got in mainstream music of the past decades. If people are so hurt by it, they should move to Saudi Arabia or join the Latter Day Church or something xshrug. Cleo did a good job vocally and was charming and entertaining, if you can't see that then I feel sorry, but taste aside this was killed by judges and not because of the song or because Cleo and the singers/background dancers did a bad job (because they surely didn't). Sure, I didn't expect the judges to love it (because we know their very narrow-minded and dated taste by now), BUT the blatant way it was put DEAD last in the semi and final ranking by some countries' juries who expected it to be a popular with their televoters and then in a cynical move wanted to prevent any success, now that is just a pathetic weak move and whether one like the song or performance doesn't really make that right.

Oh and btw, you want tacky? Take a look at the winner! There you have 3 minutes of pure tacky. Still though, it was the public choice and I respect that and even if I dislike the song, the tacky performance and the act and the fact that political hype helped it win, I still can admit that some juries of some countries purposely didn't support it because of political reasons. It's a bit sad though that people can't be mature enough to admit the same when it was directed at another entry (even if they disliked it). So again, just because you and some others disliked it and didn't "get it", doesn't mean everyone agrees with you or that what some juries blatantly did was right. That to me is just immature to applaud sabotaging just because it fits YOUR taste.
 

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let's get back on topic. This is not about the song quality of the Polish entry so we're getting a bit off track.
 

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[MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION], I love my dear friend and I do appreciate how passionetly you defend Polish entry but we won't turn back time and have a better result. I think if you continue to quarrel with everybody on how amazing our entry is, you may lose some friends (definitely not mem I will always love you). I am a bit sick and tired on reading it, please don't get me wrong hunny xheart I am still disapointed with the juries and I want to forget about what happen to our enrty but your constant writing about the wrong choice of the juries makes it hard to forget.
 

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[MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION], I love my dear friend and I do appreciate how passionetly you defend Polish entry but we won't turn back time and have a better result. I think if you continue to quarrel with everybody on how amazing our entry is, you may lose some friends (definitely not mem I will always love you). I am a bit sick and tired on reading it, please don't get me wrong hunny xheart I am still disapointed with the juries and I want to forget about what happen to our enrty but your constant writing about the wrong choice of the juries makes it hard to forget.

That's ok, I always end up way too passionate about stuff like this in here (I know it's kinda silly but hey ho). It's sorta getting to a point where I can't even stop :lol: , but mostly it's just like the first days/week after Eurovision, like a bad hang-over or something, then I get back to my standard mode... anyways, most people I assume don't like me in here regardless, but that's fine. I'll express my opinions and that's it.

let's get back on topic. This is not about the song quality of the Polish entry so we're getting a bit off track.

True, one of those never-ending discussions getting out of hand :lol:

And it all started with some people (me including) predicting Poland could be one of the countries withdrawing... sorry for what it turned into xshrug

Anyways I see how you "liked" MrJadeEwen's response though, I mean was that on-topic then? Or was it just a "right opinion"? xshrug
 

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Here's a possible withdrawal for next year. (It's in German so you will have to get your translator out!)

EBU annulliert georgische Jurywertung wegen Betrugsverdacht | Eurovision Song Contest Kopenhagen 2014

Theres speculation that Georgia could get that three year ban from eurovision, because of the jury voting. All members of the Jury had the exactly same order for the top 8 which is statistically very unlikely, so in the final only the televote was used. Obviously this means that manipulation of the votes could have occurred here. (I wonder what the top 8 were?)
 

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Here's a possible withdrawal for next year. (It's in German so you will have to get your translator out!)

EBU annulliert georgische Jurywertung wegen Betrugsverdacht | Eurovision Song Contest Kopenhagen 2014

Theres speculation that Georgia could get that three year ban from eurovision, because of the jury voting. All members of the Jury had the exactly same order for the top 8 which is statistically very unlikely, so in the final only the televote was used. Obviously this means that manipulation of the votes could have occurred here. (I wonder what the top 8 were?)

Well, if Georgia is banned I stress that they look into how BBC and RTÉ operated in the jury votes... oh wait... they are western European countries. My bad... no one will judge them xshrug

But really, that happened in Georgia? :lol:
 

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Well, if Georgia is banned I stress that they look into how BBC and RTÉ operated in the jury votes... oh wait... they are western European countries. My bad... no one will judge them xshrug

But really, that happened in Georgia? :lol:

That's why only the televote was used. Honestly, if you're going to try and manipulate the result outcome don't make it obvious like that.
 

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Anyways I see how you "liked" MrJadeEwen's response though, I mean was that on-topic then? Or was it just a "right opinion"? xshrug

Whether I personally like a comment or not is none of your business, I am merely referring to the conversation as a whole has taken a turn where it requires moderation so please respect that authority.
 

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Whether I personally like a comment or not is none of your business, I am merely referring to the conversation as a whole has taken a turn where it requires moderation so please respect that authority.

Someone is not in a mood I see, no need to be rude really xshrug clearly you didn't get my point. People can like whatever comments they want, I couldn't care less. But since you wanted to point (me) out for being off-topic, but sorta giving the thumbs up for another off-topic comment by liking it... well that's what I meant, I just found it a bit odd and double-standard-ish xshrug
 

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That's why only the televote was used. Honestly, if you're going to try and manipulate the result outcome don't make it obvious like that.

Well, some countries don't use televotes at all so I guess it's just fine that someone uses just televotes then (even if the reason for doing so can be questioned :lol:).
 

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Well, if Georgia is banned I stress that they look into how BBC and RTÉ operated in the jury votes... oh wait... they are western European countries. My bad... no one will judge them xshrug

But really, that happened in Georgia? :lol:

This! Why should there be double standards?
 

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I don't think that there is even single trustworthy information about anything, which was announced these days - about Russia, Turkey, Greece (already denied officially) and now Georgia.
 

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Here's a possible withdrawal for next year. (It's in German so you will have to get your translator out!)

EBU annulliert georgische Jurywertung wegen Betrugsverdacht | Eurovision Song Contest Kopenhagen 2014

Theres speculation that Georgia could get that three year ban from eurovision, because of the jury voting. All members of the Jury had the exactly same order for the top 8 which is statistically very unlikely, so in the final only the televote was used. Obviously this means that manipulation of the votes could have occurred here. (I wonder what the top 8 were?)

add Belarussian & Azerbaijani juries as well
 

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Well actually, the EBU is kind of stupid, they bring the five jurors togepher but they cannot discuss and compare the songs to produce a top ten ?

If you want different results make them vote for a song directly after each performance.

I mean in the end doesn't it makes sense for them to discuss it ? Like you discover at the end that the average ranking give Ukraine and the Netherlands the 12 and 10 when they were not anyone favorite. Just because one juror dislike Armenia and Austria so much it put them 20 and 22 for example. If they are all talking about the ranking, doesn't it makes sense to tell that juror that maybe he is making a little mistake there in his judgement ?

If your family follow the contest or your friends, opinions willl influence your judgement so it s only hypocrite for EBU to prevent Georgian jurors to decide their results.

Now that being said, they have to take the results themselves into consideration. If it was something like 1.The Netherlands 2.Armenia 3.Iceland 4.Poland 5.Belarus 6.Sweden 7.Azerbaijan 8.Spain i think the EBU shouldn't take any sanctions against Georgia and explain them that they have to rank the songs invidually and that they will calculate the outcome and not discuss their rankings for next year. If the top 8 was Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland in the top 5, then there is a problem for me.
 
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