Turkey TURKEY 2015 - not taking part

[escandesc]

Next target is Africa Song Contest

LOL.

 

[Archer]

I think the EBU should kick TRT out so some other channels could apply.

 

[Sim]

I think the EBU should kick TRT out so some other channels could apply.

well every channel from Turkey that is member at EBU can apply, I don't think TRT has the exclusive right?
But maybe because in the past it was always TRT who entered, that's why the EBU always asks them...
Maybe now they'll search for another broadcaster if possible

 

[anselm]

well every channel from Turkey that is member at EBU can apply, I don't think TRT has the exclusive right?
But maybe because in the past it was always TRT who entered, that's why the EBU always asks them...
Maybe now they'll search for another broadcaster if possible

TRT is currently the only Turkish EBU member. But there are several countries with more than one EBU members so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for Turkey.

 

[Archer]

TRT is the only public broadcaster though, so is it possible for a private challenge to take the initiative?

 

[Nikkita]

Personally I'm delighted because we'll be in the same contest with Japan. And this year it seems to be free from countries such as Iran, Afghanistan etc. so it's kinda East Asia + Turkey. It's a shame we're not in Eurovision though.

I never looked in this point of view, it would be nice to be in the same contest with Japan and South Korea. But still, Eurovision is better. We will be just like a goth teenage girl in highschool, in this contest.

 

[Sim]

TRT is the only public broadcaster though, so is it possible for a private challenge to take the initiative?

well i think you have more than one broadcaster in Turkey so if another one has the ambition to become EBU member it's possible altough I doubt if it's still possible that the broadcaster would be accepted before 2015,... so maybe in 2016

 

[Archer]

I never looked in this point of view, it would be nice to be in the same contest with Japan and South Korea. But still, Eurovision is better. We will be just like a goth teenage girl in highschool, in this contest.

Not at all. We have some affinity with Japan and Korea (we're in the same linguistic family).

 

[Sammy]

Not at all. We have some affinity with Japan and Korea (we're in the same linguistic family).

Well in a VERY broad familiy (the altaic language familiy) and not all of the linguistic scientist back up this theory. The similarities between French and Turkisch for instance are much stronger (on a vocabulary bases), so Turkey is in fact quite an exotic country from a eastern asian perspective.

 

[Archer]

Well in a VERY broad familiy (the altaic language familiy) and not all of the linguistic scientist back up this theory. The similarities between French and Turkisch for instance are much stronger (on a vocabulary bases), so Turkey is in fact quite an exotic country from a eastern asian perspective.

The French influence on Turkish language has only existed since the early modern period when we launched a series of westernization, however the prevalent similarities between Turkish and Japonic-Koreanic languages are more ancient. Not all, but the overwhelming majority of scientists agree on classifying Turks, Koreans, Japanese and Mongolians as in the same group.

According to a study, Japan is ranked the second most loved country by Turkish people after Germany. Koreans also have had a sympathy for us Turks since our major contribution to them during the Korean War, and on our part Korean music and dramas have become quite popular amongst today's youth. Turkey wouldn't be much of an exotic country amongst Eastern Asian countries, especially given our historical roots. I think we should participate in the both contests because I believe both divisions are important to us, one politically/socially and the other one historically/ethnically.

 

[Archer]

well i think you have more than one broadcaster in Turkey so if another one has the ambition to become EBU member it's possible altough I doubt if it's still possible that the broadcaster would be accepted before 2015,... so maybe in 2016

There are mainstream broadcasters that could do this but no one seems to care or they would hesitate to "challenge" TRT. Maybe some politically dissident channels could, but they lack funds.

 

[Sammy]

The French influence on Turkish language has only existed since the early modern period when we launched a series of westernization, however the prevalent similarities between Turkish and Japonic-Koreanic languages are more ancient. Not all, but the overwhelming majority of scientists agree on classifying Turks, Koreans, Japanese and Mongolians as in the same group.

According to a study, Japan is ranked the second most loved country by Turkish people after Germany. Koreans also have had a sympathy for us Turks since our major contribution to them during the Korean War, and on our part Korean music and dramas have become quite popular amongst today's youth. Turkey wouldn't be much of an exotic country amongst Eastern Asian countries, especially given our historical roots. I think we should participate in the both contests because I believe both divisions are important to us, one politically/socially and the other one historically/ethnically.

It's not a question of who likes whom. That is another field of science. It's a question of linguistic. And as you have pointed out correctly, there are in fact some theories about classifying turkisch and japanese in one big big group of languages. But there are hardly any similarities between these two languages that would be recognisable for somebody who hasn't done a lot of research. And as far as I understand it, there is - yet - no consensus among the scintific community.

Your argument - Turkey would fit in an eastern asian contest because of these common origin of the languages - is not a very strong one. That's what I wanted to point out. It would be like saying a swedish actor would fit in a Bollywood movie because Swedish and Hindi have the same common root of languages. (And in that case - this common origin is much more recognisable and not disputed at all).

My point is: it's not the archaic origin of a language that makes us part of a cultural area but the newer, recent developments, the cultural exchanges and so on.
So: of course Turkey can and should compete in the Asian Contest, but I still think it is much closer to Europe or the middle east than to Korea, Japan or China. I happen to have a bunch of japanese friends and of course Turkey for them IS an exotic coutry. (Just as Austria is as well for them by the way)

 

[wlhlwn]

Not at all. We have some affinity with Japan and Korea (we're in the same linguistic family).

Lol... So Ukrains, Germans, Dutch, Spanish etc... must have some affinity with Kurdish or Iranians because they are in the same linguistic family (Indo-European)???

 

[Nikkita]

My point is: it's not the archaic origin of a language that makes us part of a cultural area but the newer, recent developments, the cultural exchanges and so on.
So: of course Turkey can and should compete in the Asian Contest, but I still think it is much closer to Europe or the middle east than to Korea, Japan or China. I happen to have a bunch of japanese friends and of course Turkey for them IS an exotic coutry. (Just as Austria is as well for them by the way)

This was what i was talking about. Probably TRT is just trying to shush ESC fans with Asian Contest and Türkvizyon.

 

[wyq614]

In Chinese maps, Turkey is listed as an Asian country lol~

As far as I know, the linguistic family of Japanese and Korean is undefined. The linguistic specialists' opinions vary from Altaic to Tungus language family.

 

[wlhlwn]

In Chinese maps, Turkey is listed as an Asian country lol~

As far as I know, the linguistic family of Japanese and Korean is undefined. The linguistic specialists' opinions vary from Altaic to Tungus language family.

Turkey is an Asian country (for 90%), the European part is very small

 

[Archer]

Turkey is an Asian country (for 90%), the European part is very small

It's bigger than Malta though

 

[dragvision]

Turkey and Eghypt are between two continent and two culture, the egptian are in North Africa but are like middleeast are levantine, like the maltese people are levantine too.

 

[wlhlwn]

Turkey and Eghypt are between two continent and two culture, the egptian are in North Africa but are like middleeast are levantine, like the maltese people are levantine too.

You know what levantine is or not? That Maltese people speak a semitic language doesn't mean that the Maltese people have the same roots like Egyptians or Arabs. Maltese people are a mixture of Italians, Greeks, Ottomans, Phoenicians etc.

 

[Terence]

It's bigger than Malta though

So?!

You know what levantine is or not? That Maltese people speak a semitic language doesn't mean that the Maltese people have the same roots like Egyptians or Arabs. Maltese people are a mixture of Italians, Greeks, Ottomans, Phoenicians etc.

Thanks. Just because our language is derived from Arabic doesn't mean we have Arab roots... nothing against Arabs of course, they did conquer Malta for a while back in the 11th century (?) but so did Ottomans, British etc and all left their own influences