THE BIG TOURNAMENT 2012 - Grand Final
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A-lister
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I ask again.. could we perhaps upload the final scoreboard above (I mean a scoreboard that looks like the old ones but with all the final votes revealed), or perhaps all the individual scoreboards? 
It would be nice to have some sort of overview of the final, like a final ranking or something...
It would be nice to have some sort of overview of the final, like a final ranking or something...
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^^The final scoreboard has been posted in the first page so that you can check it whenever you like it!
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^^The final scoreboard has been posted in the first page so that you can check it whenever you like it!
Oh I didn't know that... sorry for missing that...
Thanx again for all the work and effort you and Matt put into this, we really appreciate it
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Oh I didn't know that... sorry for missing that...
Thanx again for all the work and effort you and Matt put into this, we really appreciate it
No, A-lister, don't apologize, I did it after you've reminded that
. Thanks for understanding and supporting this game! 
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awww Luf 
my 12 pointer ended in the bottom 
BUT we will keep loving our faves no matter what! 
my 12 pointer ended in the bottom BUT we will keep loving our faves no matter what! 
In ESC most of the songs do well because of Diaspora voting (and the juries don't help)... in here there is no diaspora voting... Also don't be a sore-loser... people like Randajad more than Euphoria and you should deal with that...
Or to speak in your language:
" OMG Randajad is the best! So much better than overrated Euphoria! Euphoria is TERRIBLE! Randajad is so beautiful and not Euphoria! Randajad didn't win because it was in Estonian and many people vote only for songs they understand. Omg like Euphoria is so unoriginal, it was in like English and stuff. Randajad is awesome! You just hate on Estonia here and talk bad about them. Estonia Hater!"
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Ha ha haha! Please don't tell me that you think Euphoria won because diaspora voting??? Ha ha ha!!! Sweden is one of the countries which have disadvantage because diaspora voting. Estonia has much more diaspora than Sweden! BTW, if Estonia could win 2001 then why not 2009 if the song was that great???
If we talking about neighbour voting Sweden should still have won without the 4 top points from the nordic countries. Euphoria got 14 other 12 pointers from Europe too.
No I have hard time to accept these results because people are not voting for Euphoria because it's too popular. In all games people are complaining about Euphoria winning everything. Also look at the BB game. Sweden was out already in the semi. Why?? Yes because people wanted to see the reactions of the big fave being kicked out. That wasn't about the song at all. The same in this game but in another way. People are tired to see Euphoria steal the show from their faves.. Then they they don't give Euphoria any points even if some people probably think it deserves some points. Estonia 2009 isn't that popular except in this forum in a strange way.. Even in 2009 the big faves among ESC fans were Norway and Greece. Strange that Norway was that big fave in 2009 but after the landslide victory people are loving Estonia suddenly.??
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Wait, what?´There are about 1 million Estonians in the world and the only country where we have a considerable diaspora is Finland, and even that is very small (0,6% of Finland's population). Or am I missing something?
Well still Sweden haven't more diaspora than Estonia. In fact our diaspora are most in Norway and Denmark. As I said take away the points from Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland but Sweden would still be the winner. Why? Because we got 12 points from 18 other countries too.
If Estonia 2009 was that great as people in this forum want it to be then it would have won. It wasn't even in the top 5 in ESC 2009.
Then why did you give 12 points to Finland 2007??? They ended up rather low on the board. If Finland was so great according to your vote as you want it to be then it would have won. It wasn't even on the left side of the board. Hypocrisy in its prime.
Now I you ask me why I vote for that and that song?? 1. I liked it. 2. I vote sometimes on the songs I think need it not only because it my fave song in the group. 3. The group.
Now the question is: in what way are Luxembourg 1965, Italy 1990 and Estonia 2009 SUPERIOR Euphoria? Still waiting for the explaination?? Because they were placed better in this game?? Loool!
To you who questioned my voting. In this final 8 of my top 10 are eurovision winners. Only two aren't. One was 3rd in ESC and the other one was 11th(from fave childhood ESC, sweet memories. Many songs of that year would have kicked out Finland 1983.). If Turkey 2003 had been in the final my list would have been completely different. The same with Yugoslavia 1989. If so then my top 10 would have been all about ESC winners except Sweden 1996.
For me this was a terrible final. I also prefer Greece 2005, Norway 2009, Spain 1969. But bad for me many of the best ESC winners were kicked out for mediocre winners as Italy 1990.
For me this was a terrible final. I also prefer Greece 2005, Norway 2009, Spain 1969. But bad for me many of the best ESC winners were kicked out for mediocre winners as Italy 1990.
You were the one who said that Estonia can't be higher than Sweden 2012 because it only placed 6th yet you voted for many songs that placed low in the actual ESC and not only that you ALWAYS gave Sweden high points, regardless of their position. So you are the last person to complain about votes.
And the reason why I said Superior is to annoy you and apparently I succeeded
You STILL don't understand the meaning superior, I see. If you did, you wouldn't be asking this again. For the nth time. You've already had it explained to you a gazillion times. Superiority in this case means that some of us think those songs are of far more greater value, quality and excellence than Sweden 2012. Hence, superior. Are you getting it this time, or do we need to explain it again?
Just because a song is a winner doesn't mean it automatically deserves everyone's praise, love and votes. And all the winners in the past were decided by a very small group of people known as the juries and what makes their opinion and taste more worthy than ours? What makes the televoters' taste more worthy than ours? Taste is subjective. I repeat, SUBJECTIVE! There is no FACT that says Euphoria is a better song or that Rändajad is a better song. There are only people's opinions on which song they think is better. A large majority found Euphoria to be the best song this year, but that still doesn't make it a fact that it's a better song. Just that a lot of people thought it was the best song. If you can't understand this then you don't understand the meaning of fact versus opinion.
I've asked you several times how old you are but since you refuse to answer, I'm going to assume you are about 12 years old since that seems to be your mental capacity.
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OK, next year let's call it "ESC winners tournament" and let only the winners to participate! But you will be still trolling around because according to your viewpoint which is a universal fact in your eyes, even some winners are mediocre, like Italy 1990. It's a winner, but you say it's mediocre and didn't deserve to win! 
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Nike is the most surprising example of someone who doesn't accept others to have a different taste/opinion from him. :? :? I wonder what real life looks like when his friends disagree with him... 
Televoting is more worthy than this forum because of two main reasons: 1. ESC in May is the real thing. Not this game on this forum. If you ask the artists then what do you think they rather want to win? This game or EUROVISION SONG CONTEST televoting in May??? It's quite silly that you think this forums opinions have the same value as the televoting in ESC. Without the real ESC this forum wouldn't even exist. 2. In ESC televoting there are millions voters. In this game it was 35 or something like that? As example I missed to vote in one round. Turkey 2003 missed the final because of that. With my votes it has problably been in this final. Here a single persons taste are to dominating. Serbia 2007 won last year but ended in the bottom in this years final?? Why? Differents voters?
I actually agree that the past winners were selected by a small part of juries. I rank today's winners higher because they won with both juries and televoting. Still this forums opinion can't match the past juries. They selected the winner of the real deal ESC. This forum will never be more worthy than ESC because as I said without ESC this forum wouldn't even exist.
And sorry I don't get your superior point... So a song is superior because SOME of you think it's more excellent, greater bla bla bla than the other song. But if so isn't millions voters a proof that a song is better than the other song?? According to your logic then Euphoria is better than Estonia 2009 because many people thought so??
I'm 35 years old thank you? How old are you?? 5 years old?