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vavera4ka

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Yes, it's obvious that all these are personal opinions.
Imo, I like the sound... and it's obvious that, considering the music and lyrics, her performance had to be calm, placid.
Ayway, I found some days ago, an english translation of the text.
Chiara Dubey - Bella Sera - YouTube
Personally, I like both text and music; I don't know, however, what is your fav musical genre. :p

I looked up translation after you said that it was a beautiful song. And i like that it's not some cliche phrases connected together by articles and prepositions, but still... did nothing to me :)
I enjoy different kinds of music. true, i tend to like heavier stuff, or something with a clear rhythm (80% of what i listen has "rock" or sometimes "metal" as part of genre description from folk-rock to industrial metal lol). My all time fav Eurovision song is Ruslana's Wild Dances :) But i like a soft song once in a while as well. I loved last year's Finnish entry, even though i didn't understand a word of it on the first listen.
I liked Kuula a lot (though it was a more dramatic song for sure).
Oh and don't let me start on Zeljko's stuff. My fav of his was Lejla (wish he had done it, instead of Hari Mata Hari :) )

My point is if you insist on singing in a language few understand, melody has to grab you. I listen to a lot of russian/belarusian music that will have absolutely no effect on those who don't understand language. And there are a lot of soft, emotional songs among them. They are written and sung beautifully, but I also know that they would have failed miserably at the contest like Eurovision if they ever tried.

And I understand trying to "educate" Europe and not succumb to a level of "everyone's understanding" or at leas most.
I wish EBU changed rules a bit. In a perfect world you would HAVE to sing in you official language and provide an English subtitle track so the broadcaster can display it during your song.
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

If I got it right the point is that this could count as a form of advertisement, am I correct? Which would mean even the Salvation Army wouldn't be able to okay it...shame as for non-German speakers Heilsarmee is a great name :lol:
I think it's more of the fact that it gives an unfair advantage to the. Plenty know what Salvation Army is. Few know a lot about it. All i know is that they collect donations in form of change by the grocery store, or in form of old clothes and things you don't need. As an average listener i like what they do and that makes me like them and want to vote for them before i hear the song. So bad song over that pre-disposition becomes ok, ok becomes good, etc...
Notice that nobody is trying to show up in whit hooded robes and represent KKK.
 

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I looked up translation after you said that it was a beautiful song. And i like that it's not some cliche phrases connected together by articles and prepositions, but still... did nothing to me :)
I enjoy different kinds of music. true, i tend to like heavier stuff, or something with a clear rhythm (80% of what i listen has "rock" or sometimes "metal" as part of genre description from folk-rock to industrial metal lol). My all time fav Eurovision song is Ruslana's Wild Dances :) But i like a soft song once in a while as well. I loved last year's Finnish entry, even though i didn't understand a word of it on the first listen.
I liked Kuula a lot (though it was a more dramatic song for sure).
Oh and don't let me start on Zeljko's stuff. My fav of his was Lejla (wish he had done it, instead of Hari Mata Hari :) )

My point is if you insist on singing in a language few understand, melody has to grab you. I listen to a lot of russian/belarusian music that will have absolutely no effect on those who don't understand language. And there are a lot of soft, emotional songs among them. They are written and sung beautifully, but I also know that they would have failed miserably at the contest like Eurovision if they ever tried.

And I understand trying to "educate" Europe and not succumb to a level of "everyone's understanding" or at leas most.
I wish EBU changed rules a bit. In a perfect world you would HAVE to sing in you official language and provide an English subtitle track so the broadcaster can display it during your song.

I understood what you mean... :D And I agree with you... only that, saw that a good number of people liked Bella sera, it's able of giving emotions also to who doen't know the language... however, it's obvious that not all people can like the same song, especially in this case, if you prefer rock. Anyway, me too I liked finnish song (it's my 2nd fav after the bosnian)... about kuula, it's good, but every italian listened that song laughed a lot, because of the meaning of that word (recurred a lot of times, in the refrain) in italian... :D
About Bella Sera's lyrics, I liked the fact it isn't the usual love story... and there are bautiful "images".
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

I want to see this song in Malmo, so if they have to drop the Uniforms and the name, I hope they do. I am annoyed of people judging them for being members of a religious organization as they were not bible thumping with their song.
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Atleast they should be allowed to keep the uniforms.
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

I figured they would have to change all that stuff, so not surprised, and It's absolutely the right thing to do. The uniforms in particular should not be allowed. It could also give them an unfair advantage (or disadvantage, the Salvation Army have a lot of enemies).

Now they won't be able to rely on the uniforms and name as gimmicks, they'll need to come up with something a bit more creative.
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

I like it. The melody is nice. Good luck Switzerland! I hope their oldest band member will still be alive come May! ;)
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

I figured they would have to change all that stuff, so not surprised, and It's absolutely the right thing to do. The uniforms in particular should not be allowed. It could also give them an unfair advantage (or disadvantage, the Salvation Army have a lot of enemies).

Now they won't be able to rely on the uniforms and name as gimmicks, they'll need to come up with something a bit more creative.

The uniform is not that odd, just change some color themes and they can still wear uniforms on stage. Or is EBU banning uniforms in general now?
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

The uniform is not that odd, just change some color themes and they can still wear uniforms on stage. Or is EBU banning uniforms in general now?

Its because it is considered advertising.
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me


That article says: "Political songs are forbidden and it is thought the Salvation Army's Christian affiliation may fall foul of the rules". They should get their facts right I think, it's not the song itself that is "political", it's the band's image and name that has to do with that. :lol:

Then it says: "In 2009, the official song entry for Georgia was banned after it contained a direct reference to Vladimir Putin. The country later pulled out of the competition". When did this happen? The only thing I remember is that Georgia itself withdrew, and the song itself didn't have any direct reference to Putin, the reference was indirect. There were reactions from Russia, but the song wasn't banned! :lol:
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

I hope they make it to Malmo, This song makes me smile the first time I heard it. There is something special with its simplicity that words cant explain.
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Here the ratings:

SRF 1 (Svizzera Tedesca) – 319mila telespettatori e il 19.8% di quota di mercato.
RTS deux (Svizzera Romanda) – 57mila telespettatori e il 12.4% di quota di mercato.
RSI La2 (Svizzera Italiana) – 6mila e il 5.9% di quota di mercato.

Source: Eurosong, gli ascolti tv e intervista esclusiva a Sandy Altermatt

In italian part of switzerland the lowest share... :(
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

That article says: "Political songs are forbidden and it is thought the Salvation Army's Christian affiliation may fall foul of the rules". They should get their facts right I think, it's not the song itself that is "political", it's the band's image and name that has to do with that. :lol:

Then it says: "In 2009, the official song entry for Georgia was banned after it contained a direct reference to Vladimir Putin. The country later pulled out of the competition". When did this happen? The only thing I remember is that Georgia itself withdrew, and the song itself didn't have any direct reference to Putin, the reference was indirect. There were reactions from Russia, but the song wasn't banned! :lol:

Actually the song "we don't want put in" was indeed disqualified and Georgia decided to withdraw instead if sending another song
 

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Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

In a perfect world you would HAVE to sing in you official language and provide an English subtitle track so the broadcaster can display it during your song.

I've wondered in the past why subtitles aren't done, it would make it fairer and even encourage more languages.

As for this song it doesn't make much of an impression on me.
 
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